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LBJDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:55 PM
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"Bitch is the new black"
"Bitch is the new black." I've heard this a lot in the past few days. What does it mean? Does it mean that women now suffer as much as blacks did in the past and that blacks no longer suffer injustices?
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geek_sabre Donating Member (619 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:58 PM
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1. Umm
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 05:59 PM by delaware97
I think it means it is fashionable to be a bitch. It doesn't have anything to do with race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_new_black


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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:04 PM
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3. BS Not this year.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:03 PM
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2. Women have always suffered as much as blacks and continue to do so. Black women as well
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 06:05 PM by saracat
they get a double dose. But women of all colors are still being enslaved all over the world and in this country where they are brought in as slave labbor and prostitutes from Eastern Europe, Mexico Thailand,China and a host of countries and next to nothing is being done to stop it. And electing Obama is not going to stop it at all. The so called symbolism of a Black president doesn't do a damn thing for women who have ALWAYS suffered. We are just proving racism is taken seriously in this nation but sexism is acceptable.Neither is acceptable.
Misogyn rules the day. Black men got the right to vote in the USA before women and the ERA has yet to pass.We are not even a "protected" class but race is. I am so ashamed.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:28 PM
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8. right....that's why Black men were hung for even looking at White Women not long ago
in our history.

But let's not talk about that!


Jacqueline Jones Royster documents the stereotypes of this popular white belief in an analysis of Wells’ reports. She writes:

White women were pure, virginal, and uninterested in sexual pleasure. They needed and deserved protection. African American women were wanton, licentious, promiscuous <…> African American men were lustful beasts who could not be trusted in the company of ‘good’ women, white women. <4>

According to the stereotypes exposed by Wells, white men understood the rape of a white woman by a black man to be an insult to their manhood <5> , whereas the rape of a black woman by a white man could not be a “punishable crime” because of her status as a “bad woman.” The racial ideology at the root of such thinking allowed white men to define lynching not as terrorism or race and gender control, but as the right action to avenge their manhood. <6>
http://amath.colorado.edu/carnegie/lit/lynch/women.htm

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:49 PM
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12. And women are put to death and tortured every day for attempting to run away from their
captors right here in the US.Your point? Or is that just acceptable to you because we also have a shameful history of racism?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:26 PM
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15. Your citation says more about white men than white women
What's so good about being considered "pure, virginal, and uninterested in sexual pleasure"? It means if you deviated from this ideal, you were ostracized and unworthy of respect.

Might I remind you that women die, or at the very least, are traumatized from sexual assault and rape every day.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:29 PM
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9. You are delusional if you think that's true.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:05 PM
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4. It was on Saturday Night Live last night
Talk about Hillary being a bitch, Tina Fey, Pohler, were proclaiming that they were bitches. "Bitch is the new black." Nothing to do with race, it's a play on the phrase you often see in fashion magazines, "brown is the new black" or "gray is the new black"
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douglas9 Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:21 PM
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6. SNL Video
Bitch is the New Black

On SNL, Tina Fey delivered "the most important women's news item there is" and asked Ohio and Texas to vote for Clinton.

http://therhetoricalsituation.blogspot.com/2008/02/bitch-is-new-black.html
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:07 PM
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5. No, it doesn't mean that, I'm sure.
My question is:

Why did your mind automatically, "Go there?" Both sexism and racism are bad. Why belittle one over the other? That makes no sense. Neither should be acceptable.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:24 PM
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7. See:
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 06:40 PM
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10. That's terrific.
I thought SNL had run completely out of gas long ago.
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:43 PM
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11. SNL and Hil never run out of gas
:hi:
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:22 PM
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14. I finally just got a chance to watch this
It's good to see SNL doing some good political commentary again.

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 07:50 PM
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13. Black as in fashion, not race
Every hear "pink is the new black" or whatever the "hot" color of the year is?
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:32 PM
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16. It was more than that
There was a time the "correct" term for African-Americans/blacks was "Negro." Then in the 60s black people claimed the word "black" as a way to take back power and name themselves---not leave it up to the dominant white society. In the skit, the word "bitch" is reclaimed and is taken on as a positive rather than a negative. "Bitch" WAS bad because it meant a woman was not "nice." But "Bitch," in the skit, is good because it's turning on its head the notion that good women are nice. Good women are tough.
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