Olbermann showed a clip of Bill Clinton justifying Hillary's IWR vote by conflating it with 9/11

[jenmito]

He played a video of Bill Clinton saying, "Keep in mind, Hillary was a Senator from New York when the attacks of 9/11 happened..." (OK, paraphrased, but along those lines)

[billyoc]

1. Hilliani. nt

[jenmito]

3. And BILLiani.

:)

[mckeown1128]

40. or is it Hillary, Billary, and Ghoullary?

[Thrill]

4. hahahahahahahaahah

[Cha]

24. hilghouliani.

Worked so will for ghouli.

[still_one]

2. I am starting to wonder if Bill Clinton actually wants Hillary to win? /nt

[jenmito]

8. He's showing it right now. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

5. Oh Man - This Is Getting Pathetic

This isn't even amusing anymore.

[jenmito]

6. I agree. I wonder if she'd distance herself from that remark. I doubt it. n/t

[Cha]

38. The desperation of bil clinton..and

we knew that were reciting this shyte after the IWR was voted on without the 90 page NIE getting read by hilary among others in that Senate body.

Now we can tie bil clinton in with his early propoganda and his current bushite propoganda. Poor thing he's stuck in the '90's without a clue of the speed that lies can be decimated.

[City Lights]

7. I just saw Bill wagging his finger again.

:thumbsdown:

[jenmito]

10. So did I. n/t

[MadBadger]

9. To use Hillary's words...Shame on Bill Clinton

[jenmito]

12. I wish she'd get asked about it!

[JVS]

11. How pathetic of him

[jenmito]

13. Are you watching Countdown? They're still discussing it now. n/t

[JVS]

17. I don't have cable

[jenmito]

21. Oh. Well at least you can read the transcript tomorrow if you want.

:hi:

[Blarch]

14. Yep, saw it.

What a tool

[jenmito]

16. I'm glad you saw it...but

you're a real d***! :D

[alteredstate]

15. I saw it!

Unfuckingbelievable!

[jenmito]

19. Can you believe it? So he not only implied she was naive enough to think Bush

wouldn't have invaded until inspectors finished, but that she believed bin Laden was connected to Iraq? :shrug:

[polichick]

18. imo after Hillary saw what happened in Iraq, she should've known not to run. nt

[Cha]

42. Little thing like that wouldn't

stop the powermongering clintons. Saturday, A friend, who always liked the clintons, said.. when I made a comment about how well Obama was doing.."But, this is what they've worked so long for:("(Yeah, all that conniving..gone to waste!) Talk about Koolaid.

I was saved by the phone ringing and she could tell by the look on my face that it was better to change the subject, asap.

[polichick]

45. It really gets sticky sometimes...

And I'm avoiding Republicans like the plague these days because there's no way I can keep quiet.

[Martin Eden]

20. Bill is hurting more than helping Hillary's campaign

I always thought he was a brilliant politician.

Do you think maybe he wants her to lose?

[jenmito]

30. I'm starting to believe that's the only explanation.

:shrug:

[Cha]

47. Orrrrr

maybe he's lost the midas touch and been inflicted some other kinda touch.

[Martin Eden]

50. You may be right.

It could be he's been faithful to Hillary since Monica touched him.

[Ravy]

22. Conflate? Did Olberman use that term?

because two different posters posted headlines with that same, and you have to admit, unusual term for it.

[jenmito]

26. Yes. He used that term. But I've heard that word used MANY times talking about how Bush

conflates Iraq and 9/11.

[Occam Bandage]

27. Results 1 - 10 of about 171,000 for conflate iraq 9/11.

[Ravy]

33. And two of those are posted within minutes here. But of KO used the term,

I can see that happening easily. I asked.

[Occam Bandage]

49. What synonym would you prefer?

[charlie]

23. Well, they're consistent, at least

Hillary did it herself in her IWR floor speech.

And finally, on another personal note, I come to this decision from the perspective of a Senator from New York who has seen all too closely the consequences of last year's terrible attacks on our nation. In balancing the risks of action versus inaction, I think New Yorkers who have gone through the fires of hell may be more attuned to the risk of not acting. I know that I am.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=233783

[Mooney]

32. That's funny

I've lived in New York City all my life, and I was living in Lower Manhattan when 9/11 happened. Yet still, somehow, I knew that Iraq had nothing to do with it, that Bush was completely full of shit, and that everyone who cast a vote for the war was doing so out of political expediency.

Go figure.

[jenmito]

36. Thanks for the quote!

She has no business running for president as a Dem. and not acknowledging it was a mistake.

[Cha]

51. Booga Booga hilary!

:scared: :scared: :scared: Who's scared now,hilary? Eh?

[bridgit]

25. That wasn't conflation, that was a straight froward statement of the times; you care to see...

what conflating looks like, turn to Howard Fineman, an Obama front-man, when he conflates HRC's decision as having been based on "emotion" and in response to flawed intel provided by bush's WH, as though HRC was the only one to have responded as such & "emotionally".

But we're not here to understand in full. We're only here to witness, to simply observe: The Alchemy of The New World Order

[jenmito]

28. You're wrong...

and nuts if you think Fineman is "an Obama front-man." :eyes:

[bridgit]

29. And you're not thinking clearly...

[jenmito]

34. I'm thinking VERY clearly and you're incorrect to say Bill Clinton wasn't conflating Iraq and 9/11.

[Ravy]

35. Great last line bridgit! nt

[TahitiNut]

31. So THAT'S what Bill has been doing for 7 years!

He's obviously been advising Cheney/Bush on how to "spin" the Iraq War. Gotta love that "Iraq = 9/11" Big Lie.

[jenmito]

39. Yup...

No wonder Hillary said she got her advice from Bill (among other people) before voting for the IWR. That was her explanation of why she didn't have to read the intel. before voting for it.

[chieftain]

37. I thought they couldn't go any lower. I was wrong. (eom)

[jenmito]

41. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

IMO. :)

[checks-n-balances]

43. I really liked him when he was president

Now he is trashing all his chances of having a decent legacy, at least as far as Democrats are concerned. Has he completely lost it, or are we watching a slow transformation of him from Dem (albeit more of a DLC Dem) to rethug? A slow-motion about-face like Lieberman & Zell did, only they did it more at whiplash speed? Lieberman's bitterness at Gore for choosing to endorse Dean over him and Zell flipping out after 9/11 are what seemed to cause these guys to flip out, but I don't know what Bill's excuse is, unless it's that he thought Hill had it in the bag & now he's enraged that it didn't work out that way.

In any case, have he & his wife totally lost it?

[latebloomer]

44. Hillary- "If I knew then what I know now--

that this war was going to be so deeply unpopular, I never would have voted for it!"

[jackson_dem]

46. Yeah, and because of it 80% of her constituents support the AUMF

How many people supported it in what Joe Wilson has pointed out is the most liberal legislative district in Illinois that St. Obama represented?

[Strelnikov_]

48. "I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate."

South Carolina Democratic debate
April 26, 2007

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18352397/

Williams: Senator Obama, if, God forbid a thousand times, while we were gathered here tonight, we learned that two American cities have been hit simultaneously by terrorists and we further learned, beyond the shadow of a doubt it had been the work of Al Qaida, how would you change the U.S. military stance overseas as a result?

Obama: Well, the first thing we'd have to do is make sure that we've got an effective emergency response, something that this administration failed to do when we had a hurricane in New Orleans.

And I think that we have to review how we operate in the event of not only a natural disaster, but also a terrorist attack.

The second thing is to make sure that we've got good intelligence, a., to find out that we don't have other threats and attacks potentially out there, and b., to find out, do we have any intelligence on who might have carried it out so that we can take potentially some action to dismantle that network.

But what we can't do is then alienate the world community based on faulty intelligence, based on bluster and bombast. Instead, the next thing we would have to do, in addition to talking to the American people, is making sure that we are talking to the international community.

Because as already been stated, we're not going to defeat terrorists on our own. We've got to strengthen our intelligence relationships with them, and they've got to feel a stake in our security by recognizing that we have mutual security interests at stake.

Williams: We are out of time, thank you.

. . .

Senator Clinton, same question.

Clinton: Well, again, having been a senator during 9/11, I understand very well the extraordinary horror of that kind of an attack and the impact that it has, far beyond those that are directly affected.

I think a president must move as swiftly as is prudent to retaliate.

If we are attacked, and we can determine who is behind that attack, and if there are nations that supported or gave material aid to those who attacked us, I believe we should quickly respond.

Now, that doesn't mean we go looking for other fights. You know, I supported President Bush when he went after Al Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

And then when he decided to divert attention to Iraq, it was not a decision that I would have made, had I been president, because we still haven't found bin Laden. So let's focus on those who have attacked us and do everything we can to destroy them.

Williams: Out of time, Senator. Thank you.


Post-Democratic Candidates' Debate Coverage

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18351722/

Fineman: Authentic victory for Hillary.

Barack Obama, in some respects, was off his game. He was off his rhythm. He is good in one on one. His thought pauses...

Matthews: Was he frustrated by the fact there were eight people sharing 90 minutes?

Fineman: Yes, exactly. He’s not used to that.

And he also blew the question initially on, what would you do if two American cities were bombed and we knew it was al Qaeda? What happened was, he got that question first. It was from out of the blue. He got it. He didn’t answer it forcefully enough, in terms of retaliation and military force. Neither did John Edwards.

The people in the Clinton spin room couldn’t they were hoping and praying that Hillary would also get that question. And she did. And she used the word retaliate. And Edwards excuse me and Obama spent the rest of the debate making up for what he knew was an inadequate inadequate answer on the question of military force.


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Well, this approach of bomb first, ask questions later has worked so well over the last seven years . . .


Hmm . . Is this one of those solutions we keep hearing about?