Clinton doing far worse than Obama is multiple state matchups against McCain

[Perky]

I just don't understand how Hillary supporters can look objectively at this dat and not be the lease bit concerned about this data. Is swing states after swing state It is abundantly clear that people like Obama more tha McCaiin and McCain more than Clinton. The election swing about 10 point in each of thes states depending on the Dem nominee...Even New Yorker like Obama mor than Hillary.



We do not need an eelction where we win with 275 electoral votes....We do not need another loss by 10 elecotral votes.

We need to win with a huge mandate.


We have no hope of that with Hillary.

New Mexico: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 44, Obama 44 Tie
New Mexico: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 50, Clinton 38 McCain +12

Iowa: McCain vs. Obama Selzer & Co (DMR) McCain 36, Obama 53 Obama +17
Iowa: McCain vs. Clinton Selzer & Co (DMR) McCain 49, Clinton 40 McCain +9

Iowa: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 47, Clinton 37, Und 16 McCain +10
Iowa: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 41, Obama 44, Und 15 Obama +3

Iowa: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 41, Obama 51, Und 8 Obama +10
Iowa: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 52, Clinton 41, Und 7 McCain +11

Oregon: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 49, Clinton 41, Und 10 McCain +8
Oregon: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 47, Obama 48, Und 6 Obama +1

New York: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 41, Clinton 52, Und 7 Clinton +11
New York: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 36, Obama 57, Und 7 Obama +21

Kansas: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 59, Clinton 35, Und 6 McCain +24
Kansas: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 50, Obama 44, Und 6 McCain +6

Michigan: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 39, Obama 47, Und 14 Obama +8
Michigan: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 44, Clinton 44, Und 12 Tie

Virginia: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 48, Clinton 45, Und 7 McCain +3
Virginia: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 45, Obama 51, Und 4 Obama +6

Minnesota: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 47, Clinton 42, Und 11 McCain +5
Minnesota: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 38, Obama 53, Und 9 Obama +15

Wisconsin: McCain vs. Clinton SurveyUSA McCain 49, Clinton 42, Und 9 McCain +7
Wisconsin: McCain vs. Obama SurveyUSA McCain 42, Obama 52, Und 6 Obama +10

Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 44, Clinton 42, Und 14 McCain +2
Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 39, Obama 49, Und 12 Obama +10

Oregon: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 45, Clinton 42, Und 13 McCain +3
Oregon: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 40, Obama 49, Und 11 Obama +9

New Hampshire: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 36, Obama 49 Obama +13
New Hampshire: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 41, Clinton 43, Und 16 Clinton +2

Colorado: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 39, Obama 46, Undecided 15 Obama +7
Colorado: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 49, Clinton 35, Undecided 16 McCain +14

[scheming daemons]

1. "I just don't understand how Hillary supporters can look objectively at this data"

Hillary supporters are a lot of things.... objective isn't one of them.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Data doesn't count.

They have gut feelings.

[Ken Burch]

5. And their candidate is ENTITLED to the nomination.

Because...because...well, because THEY say so, that's why.

[polichick]

3. We do need to win BIG in order to offset inevitable dirty tricks. nt

[RememberWellstone]

4. Too far out for that

Obama was all but done during the first debates..no one even notic3ed him...until now. We are way too far out for that..don't forget the rethug kill machine, they will stoop to lows never seen before.

[Ken Burch]

6. They'll do that to HRC too. And her primary campaign proves she can't fight back.

If she could, she'd HAVE the damn nomination.

[existentialist]

7. I've been looking at a lot of that data too

You've posted a lot of states and polls that I had not seen, but the ones you supply all point in the same general direction, and are generally consistent with what I have seen.

I did spot one poll, however that put Clinton substantially better than Obama against McCain in one state. I don't remember who did the poll, but I remember the state was Alabama where McCain beat Obama by over twenty points, and only beat Clinton by about 10 points.

[Perky]

11. I have pulled all the data fro this site

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

also check out pollster.com. I think they have a few more polls tha RCP but it is organized a little less efficiently.

[BzaDem]

8. If DU were around in 1988

Dukakis supporters would be posting the same data, showing him with a 16-20 point lead over HW Bush nationally (as well as in many states). If I had the search option, I would see what they were posting for similar matchups showing Kerry ahead by 10. The unknown candidate by and large, ALWAYS does better than the known candidate in these polls.

[Perky]

9. kick

[hayu_lol]

10. According to the Obama supporters...

all the poll data shows is that the pollsters have been busy. Hillary's current position is still neck and neck with Obama. He has not pulled ahead of this position as yet.

If Hillary fails, Obama succeeds as the nominee and then the full floodlights will fall on him like a tsunami...as will all the Repugnants.

As yet, the Repugs are treating him with kid gloves. But they are ready and I don't believe that he can handle that. His record of distancing himself from any important fray is a case in point.

Gonna be interesting as this election winds down.

[BringBigDogBack]

12. Do you need another pillow?

kicking

[Perry Logan]

13. Which part of "We think those polls are bullshit" don't you understand?