It would be easy for Hillary Clinton to back off, but she fights for EVERYTHING

[bigtree]

. . . for EVERY inch.

THAT'S what I want from my president.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. To the point of sounding irrational and crazy?

No thanks, I'll take someone thoughtful who knows how to admit if he's wrong.

[emilyg]

2. And who would that be?

[bigtree]

3. only to 'irrational' listeners.

[Skittles]

7. or sexist assholes

:thumbsdown:

[washingdem]

Your candidate is losing, so everyone must be sexist... riiight.

[Skittles]

20. I AM NOT A HILLARY SUPPORTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY DO YOU F***ING OBAMABOTS ALWAYS ASSUME THAT????????

[cbayer]

50. No, washington, that's not it. nt.

[Auntie Bush]

33. Are you deaf or hard of hearing or short on vocabulary?

Isn't there more than one way to say you are sorry without actually using the word sorry in the text? I think she has been very explicit about that
but you don't seem to understand English.

[aquart]

45. Fighting women are always called that.

You should really check those mental filters.

[cbayer]

49. Calling Hillary Clinton irrational & crazy is just plain offensive.

And you would have to be irrational and crazy to make such a statement.

Oh, but you are just sitting there on the latest page hoping for something to slime on.

Don't you have anything better to do?

[hendo]

80. Sorry about the late reply to this

I agree it is very offensive to call Hillary irrational and crazy. I feel bad for all of those irrational and crazy people out there who are being lumped in with her.:sarcasm:

or is it?

[Generic Brad]

4. I would rather have a fighter that is a winner

But that's just me.

[bigtree]

42. this isn't the general election

[high density]

5. She's belligerent in my opinion

Too much fight, not enough mea culpa.

[bigtree]

9. Deliciously belligerent

she has NOTHING to apologize for.

[aquart]

46. But there's no sexism in that judgement. Is there?

[BigDaddy44]

6. ABSOLUTELY!!!

I want a president who whines that she gets asked questions first EVERY TIME!!! Just like on SNL!!! Thats the sort of leadership and fighting for important issues i'm looking for!!!

[Window]

11. Unbelievable!!

SNL



:rofl:

[MoonRiver]

8. She is absolutely wonderful tonight!

Whether she gets the nomination or not, I'm so glad she's in the Senate working for New York and the rest of US! I hope she is in public service for a long time!

:loveya: Hillary!!

[Recursion]

10. Having been in combat, I can assure you that combat is an awful metaphor for politics

And I get really tired of it.

[Uzybone]

12. You are the only one that mentioned combat.

The OP talks about fighting not war or combat. Either way most of our combat is as a result of our politics. So its a great metaphor.

[Recursion]

17. If I was wrong to equate "fight" and "combat", I apologize

we used them pretty much synonymously in the Marines.

[bigtree]

15. that's a stretch

This is a fight, for our future. Calling it a fight has nothing to do with the 'combat' you are referring to.

[Recursion]

18. Repeating from above: I apologize if I was wrong to equate the terms "fight" and "combat"

I don't really see a difference between them, but if you can explain it I'd be glad to listen.

[bigtree]

23. Voters can clearly see that she is going to be relentless and insistent

. . . in pushing for what she believes in. That's a rational posture in a contest where most pundits are calling her campaign finished. I think voters want to see that she's still fighting for the nomination. I think that posture will help motivate those who would support her to the polls.

Fight the power that be. Fight the power.
-- Spike Lee

Gentlemen fight with their mouths, not their fists.
-- Chinese proverb

[Recursion]

25. Except it's not a "fight"

And I think these kind of comparisons show a woeful ignorance of what an actual "fight" is like.

[bigtree]

28. There are degrees of fighting. Everyone understands that.

This is a ridiculous argument.

[Recursion]

30. No, there's not, really

It's either a fight (ie, everything is on the line) or it's not.

[bigtree]

35. that's just not been my life experience. My 'fights' haven't led to death, injury, destruction . . .

they have led to financial conflict resolution, to legal victories, to personal achievement and advancement, and to overcoming other adversities. You can't narrow the word 'fight' to mean only combat in the sense of a military aggression or some physical confrontation which ends in some devastating vanquishing.

[Recursion]

36. Then they were conflicts, not fights

Fighting is violent, and violence is by nature absolute.

[bigtree]

38. that narrow definition or yours is not reflected in the history of literature

or common expression.

[sniffa]

13. I agree

She's got her claws and fangs out. I'm waiting for her to foam at the mouth.

[bigtree]

26. Obama looks sleepy

[sniffa]

32. It's probably the heroin binge he was on last night

[bigtree]

37. maybe he had a big meal beforehand

that always makes me sleepy

[bowens43]

14. Really? I want a president who doesn't need to fight.

Fighting is what we have had for the last 28 years. Fighting is what got us into this mess. You can bet if by some miracle or fraud Hillary became president , EVERYTHING would be a fight. The republicans in congress will block anything and everything she proposes , not because they disagree with her but because of who she is,

[Uzybone]

22. then you want a president who will do nothing

to push the progressive agenda. If you think the GOP will not fight becasue Obama says "hope and change" then you are dreaming. Even if we wins 40 states they will block him at every turn. He is gonna need to fight and I hope he is learning well from CLinton.

Hell even the defanged, deballed and declawed Democrats managed to put up a wee bit of a fight the last 2 years.

[aquart]

47. So your vision of government is everybody agrees with Obama

And all is sweetness and light?

Oh.

[rodeodance]

70. you seem to think things will be slam dunk for him. Wake up.

[busymom]

16. She's awesome tonight.

They both are.

What a great team they would make...they can disagree, confront each other respectfully, discuss issues....together they would be electrifying.

[scheming daemons]

19. Soon you'll be one of the few left who are voting for her...

...

[bigtree]

64. what an idiotic statement

Over 10 million Americans already cast their ballot for Hillary Clinton. Obama will not achieve the nomination by votes cast alone. That's a direct result of the support Sen. Clinton has received so far. Polls show, if anything, a close race. Obama can't claim to be alone in receiving overwhelming support from Democrats because Hillary Clinton has her own enthusiastic supporters, as well. That support will be reflected in the upcoming contests. You don't get to go back and erase that support. These folks showed up and voted, just the same way Obama's supporters did. It's about time Clinton's supporters get the recognition they deserve for running a historically close race.

[NeedleCast]

21. So Combative

Wont even let them go to commercial.

[bigtree]

24. I know. She has me fired up.

Must infuriate folks who don't support her. I have to think it's encouraging to her own supporters.

[NeedleCast]

31. I guess...

Just seems like more of the same to me. I'm not a Hillary supporter and don't view the combativeness as a positive.

[bigtree]

39. beats sulking or coming to this debate and these contests with the resignation the pundits imagine

. . . she should show.

[greguganus]

43. There goes her huge donations from the debate sponsors. n/t

[bigtree]

44. from debate sponsors?

:crazy:

[aquart]

48. Yeah, women should be more submissive.

[Auntie Bush]

27. Yup, she's a fighter!

That's how she'll fight for our democratic issues! You go girl!
Obama will compromise them away. Now that's scary. Our president will need to be a fighter. I can depend on her to fight hard for the US to have fair trade agreements.

[Rageneau]

29. I hope she NEVER concedes one damn thing.

If Obama does not have enough delegates to win the nomination outright, I hope Hillary refuses to concede and makes the Convention go through as many votes as it takes to determine a winner (like the old days).

There is no way that to divide the two camps anymore than they already are divided, so why shouldn't Hillary make Obama win fair and square?

[Recursion]

34. I support, without reservation, her right to do so if she thinks that's the best course of action

Including winning by superdelegates. Including winning over Obama's pledged delegates. I support entirely her right to do all those things.

I question the wisdom of all of them, too.

[rodeodance]

72. She will know when and if the time is right--it not now. Wise of her.

[thevoiceofreason]

40. Bullshit- it means she can't see the forest for the trees

She tilts at windmills.

She's toast. Will you support our nominee, Sen. Obama?

[bigtree]

41. Bullshit, back at ya {insert appropriate metaphor here}

She's been very strong.

Any Democratic nominee gets my vote and active support.

[thevoiceofreason]

58. Mine too

But that doesn't mean she has a lick of sense.

(See, these metaphors are big here in Texas and she hasn't a clue about how to use them).

[HeraldSquare212]

51. Like Bill fought against DOMA and welfare reform?

[bigtree]

65. right, because women don't deserve to be judged on their own merits,

on their own beliefs, judgments and values, apart from their husbands. That's what you're really saying. That attitude is contrived and ignorant.

[hendo]

67. Only if..

She should only be judged on the accomplishments of Bill if she uses her time as first lady to count as her political experience. Last time I checked she does.

[bigtree]

74. only idiots believe that she should be judged on everything her husband has said and done

There's so much ignorance in your statement I don't know where to start.

[hendo]

79. So.

When she refers to everything done during the Clinton administration as something that "we did" that isn't a sign that she is trying to take credit for it? If she was an important part in pushing through legislation while her husband was president and wants to claim his victories as her own then she should also be willing to accept his failings as her own.

It is always nice when she uses the argument, "I voted for it, but I hoped it would fail". Doesn't she understand that if she hoped it would fail she shouldn't have voted for it. Whats up with that?

[anonymous171]

52. Wrong.

She fights only for herself and her agenda (getting elected.) That is why she voted yes on the kyle-leiberman and cluster bomb bills. She has never fought for anything else.

[milkyway]

53. That's a problem. And she isn't much of a fighter, anyway...she's ducked a lot of them in this

campaign, surrendering a state like Wisconsin to head for what she thought would be more friendly territory in Texas.

[LucyParsons]

54. everything except stopping immoral and illegal wars of aggression

Oh, and the Bankrupcty Bill.

And the PATRIOT Act.

[RiverStone]

55. I just hope she won't fight against her inevitable defeat...

She keeps this up after losing TX next week, it will only hurt the party.

I admire a strong fighter, and Hillary is that - but a stupid fighter carries on after the battle is lost.

I hope Hillary puts the party ahead of her need to win.

[stillcool]

56. too bad she doesn't win

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. Tim Russert is flagrantly biased...He goes into a 5 minute diatribe beating Hillary over the head

then asks a question at the end of it and considers that fair.

[bigtree]

66. the first two were tabloid, right off the bat

and the second one was a direct piggyback on Drudge's unproven smear. The entire inquiry was a joke. They feed off of their own inane reporting.

[Schema Thing]

59. Unfortunately, she's just not a really *good* fighter

[Recursion]

61. It's like the "vetted" nonsense

Yes, she's been "vetted", and over the past 16 years she and Bill have been found to have enough skeletons in different closets to rival the ossiary in the Paris catacombs.

The point is to have been vetted and passed.

The point, I assume, of "fighting" would be to win.

I'm not seeing much of either from her.

[bigtree]

62. I think she is. Over 10 million voters apparently think so as well.

[krkaufman]

60. "she fights for EVERYTHING"

:rofl:

To paraphrase, she'll say anything, and do anything, to win the nomination.

I just wish she showed the same spunk in standing up to Bush's rush to war with Iraq.

[OzarkDem]

63. And that's why she's the better candidate

[rodeodance]

68. I liked her comment about even though her health plan failed-she went right back to work

on getting the Kids SCHIP plan in place.


yes. she did. "failure is impossible"

[casus belli]

69. So you're voting for Huckabee? I'm confused. n/t

[bigtree]

76. yes, you are confused.

[workinclasszero]

71. Even if she destroys the democratic party and gets John McCain elected??

That would be a delusional, destructive, pyrrhic victory for your "fighter" Hillary.

[rodeodance]

73. Oh stop with the fear tactics. We have had enough with Bush/rove/ cheney!!

[bigtree]

75. Concern over Hillary 'destroying the party' is just some political tactic

. . . some jackass dreamed up as a way to discourage the votes in the upcoming states. Democrats will emerge from this process with all of the strength we possess. Both candidates are committed to that proposition.

[From The Left]

77. She would "Fight" for the last piece of pie

[Raffi Ella]

78. yes!

My respect and admiration for her has continued to grow as I watch her fight for this nomination.She doesn't back down.She would govern just the same.


"Bitches get things DONE!"

woo!

HILLARY 08