@#$!% OFFICIAL MSNBC DEBATE THREAD #8 @!#&*%

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

[Occam Bandage]

1. Q*Bama!

[demo dutch]

2. Russert sucks!

[ORDem]

5. Indeed!

[Lint Head]

That's why his head is so big.

:dem:

[andyrowe]

3. Dude.

What'd I miss?

[crispini]

4. Terri Schiavo?

That was out of left field.

[Madam Mossfern]

11. That was great

n/t

[lefty_mcduff]

13. Obama - what she said last time n/t

[NDambi]

It was a regret

[creeksneakers2]

Very safe answer

Nobody voted right on Schaivo. Its not a big issue now.

[NDambi]

6. they didn't do anything new..and left out economy, science

[More Than A Feeling]

7. Obama going for his own debate ending feel good moment.

[Neshanic]

8. So he has no vote, but inaction.

[MadBadger]

9. Great Final Answer

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. Clinton's answer last week...he copied

[Warren Stupidity]

10. Can we stop having republican asshat moderators?

Why the fuck do they sign up for this abuse?

[rug]

17. Take it up with Skinner.

[Warren Stupidity]

26. Not those mods!

The fucking clowns on M$NBC

[skooooo]

lol...

:rofl:

[Wickerman]

43. ouch!

that was funny.

I think. :yoiks:

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. You are deft in your ignorance

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. Damn right ....fuck both of these guys

I'm outraged right now.

[BuyingThyme]

12. Obama's owning the high road.

[skooooo]

14. I wish this had never happened.

It was terrible.

[aquart]

What?

[skooooo]

137. I think Russert was really ugly..

.trying to "trap" Obama in such a stupid obvious, ignorant way.

[Johnny__Motown]

He was man enough to admit an actual mistake, rookie mistake or Presidential?

[Generic Brad]

39. Human

I believe that is the word.

[NJSecularist]

15. Hillary won't even smile at Barack after he compliments her

What a disgrace.

[WinkyDink]

18. HRC's "This is about the future" means "No punishment for Bushco."

[GreenPartyVoter]

133. How sucky is that?

[Kahuna]

Obama filibustering the final moments. nt

[SayitAintSo]

37. Running out the clock

[SayitAintSo]

45. BO forgot sexism ....

[Hazelrah]

19. do we regret more what we do

or what we do not do? :think:

[Tatiana]

20. This was an ugly, but good debate, I think. n/t

[Haole Girl]

21. The Democratic standard... will try to restore that sense of public service to our gov't...

We could only hope. Never really hear that "public service" phrase anymore, do we?

[gateley]

22. Sounds like Obama took some suggestions from Dodd :-)

[gateley]

35. O's missing an opportunity to hammer HRC one final time. nt

[ecstatic]

23. Can anyone else sense the hate through the TV screen?

She absolutely HATES Obama, but it's not personal. It's because she is used to being the winner and now this guy comes out of nowhere and snatches victory from her hands.

[OzarkDem]

36. No

[Kahuna]

38. He used the final moments to have a "moment" like Hillary had last week. nt

[blue horseshoe]

46. She looks unhappy

[Royal Oak Rog]

49. Nice try Hill it's over Tuesday, Let's get after McCain!

[Occam Bandage]

25. And now, to finish the debate, please bash Sen. Clinton. On whatever you want.

[WinkyDink]

59. Exactly. Try to destroy yourself ("What do you regret?") and your colleague.

[crispini]

27. I love how he's not playing their games.

She does that too, sometimes. It's good!

[blogslut]

Gracious ending - Obama

The people just want a hand up. It is critical we change how business is done in Washington."

[Az_lefty]

28. Christ Hillary, try to smile a little when your being complimented.

[rocktivity]

ROUND 7 (REGRETTING VOTE) Obama in a walkover

because Hillary suddenly regrets her war vote.

:headbang:
rocknation

[spanone]

29. ij hate these fucking questions...tell us about the other nominee bullshit hate them

[high density]

30. Obama is being way too nice to Clinton

Especially after last weekend. But I guess he gains nothing from attacking her, so he might as well be nice.

[BuyingThyme]

40. I think the contrast is killing her.

[NDambi]

42. He should take the high road...good strategy

[high density]

54. yeah you're right I guess

Interested to see how she responds.

[HeraldSquare212]

31. He wouldn;t attack - let's see if she will

[tammywammy]

48. She'll wait until tomorrow

Just like last week all nice at the debate and attacking the next day or so.

[BuyingThyme]

32. Oh Brian. Shut the fuck up.

[andyrowe]

33. Somebody gimme the run down. What'd I miss?

:popcorn:

[BuyingThyme]

50. Mean lady, mellow dude.

[Royal Oak Rog]

80. that says it all, who do you want running your country?

[Royal Oak Rog]

121. "Hillary, It's been an honor to run. Game, Set Match Mr. Obama

[Lisa0825]

86. Most . Concise . Summary . Ever.

:rofl:

[BuyingThyme]

116. Thank you.

[Neshanic]

52. Nothing. Asscarrot Timmeh, two people who will not get us out of Iraq.

[skooooo]

55. Russert is the big story out of this debate, imo.

Fucking right-wing tool.

[andyrowe]

66. What'd he say?

I can't wait for the re air

[Neshanic]

It was a new height in MSM arrogance from white rich show hosts.

[andyrowe]

127. What'd he say?

:popcorn:

[Warren Stupidity]

75. The two republican clowns succeeded in derailing

what was looking like an interesting discussion of issues and turning the debate into a series of idiotic attempts to play gotcha with one rightwing smear after another.

[BuyingThyme]

Yeah, they stubborning sound bytes and nothing else.

[Tatiana]

34. Obama was the one being gracious this time. Nice. We need some freaking unity. n/t

[gateley]

47. I think he missed an op to hammer her one more time - he could have done it nicely. nt

[MadBadger]

61. I think he did, saying he would be better, but she is a great choice.

[HeraldSquare212]

63. I think he did

[HeraldSquare212]

yawn, 35 years

[Kahuna]

70. No need to do that. It would be over kill. nt

[blue horseshoe]

64. Definitely took the high road

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. Somebody else can start the next one, if there will be one.

I'm Audi.

[gateley]

69. Did the feed just end, or did I screw something up? I want to hear HRC's closing statement!

[OzarkDem]

51. Obama as a community organizer

take another drink!

[RunningFromCongress]

53. Worst final question ever. "Worthy" what a horrible word.

[blue horseshoe]

77. Agreed

[L. Coyote]

87. Indeed. Nonetheless, it forces a response that reveals a lot compared to a

softball we know the answer for.

[goodgd_yall]

141. They both answered the lousy final question well.

They knew it was a stinker as well as we did.

[housewolf]

56. Final question - this is almost an insult to them both

How unfair to ask what the other needs to do to earn the votes, just a waste of time

[godai]

76. Terrible question...Obama deflected it well.

[crispini]

57. Ha. She's absolutely going to have to take the high road now, eh? nt

[blogslut]

58. Obama sez

Hillary is better than McCain. Not much for her to answer to. It's McCain's turn to answer.

I'm better because I can bring Americans together and together we deliver.

[Haole Girl]

60. "Pushing back special interests..."

I like that sound of that, Sen. Obama. :-)

[sanjiadem]

62. Whatever happened to the LoWVs or some other objective

real journalists running these debates (or the fairness doctrine/equal time for that matter).

This was not just biased, it was overtly biased and very poorly done. And, I don't think anyone realizes (or, seems to care) that these are the same folks who help GW & Co feed us the WMD/Nukes/Iraq threat lies and American righteousness during the invasion. Complete with musical scores ... of course, less civilian death counts and body bags.

They jump on any bandwagon they think will 'win'.

[Up2Late]

65. Obama dodging the final question! Good or Bad?

Or good reply to a stupid question?

[BuyingThyme]

72. The latter.

[jenmito]

82. Good and gracious.

[polichick]

I agree - it's why people like him so much. nt

[crispini]

84. Good for them both. It was an asshat trap of a question. nt

[oviedodem]

85. Stupid question with a good reply, not being negative by having Hil prove her worthiness

[calmblueocean]

94. Good. It was a question meant to divide, and we need to find unity no matter who wins.

It's one of the things I respect about Obama.

[Tatiana]

67. I don't know if Clinton's pointed and harsher tone worked in this debate. n/t

[More Than A Feeling]

Hillary sounds like she's having her teeth pulled with this last statement

[high density]

68. Gunna do everything to win

By the way, I'm a Woman!

Jeeze...

[gateley]

90. HRC's closing statement is better, IMO. nt

[Johnny__Motown]

71. another "it has been an honor" statement. omg did anyone believe it this time?

[OzarkDem]

73. Yes! First woman president! That's change we need!

[jenmito]

109. Condi Rice?

[thevoiceofreason]

74. Obama wins in a landslide.

[BuyingThyme]

78. C Change?

[OzarkDem]

100. Sea change

sea change
–noun
1. a striking change, as in appearance, often for the better.

[BuyingThyme]

113. Thank you.

Not familiar with that one.

[Flarney]

140. Yeah, Sea Change is one of Beck's best albums. n/t

[soleft]

79. So there is an audience there, I was wondering

[Baconfoot]

81. Uh oh fellow Hillary people. "It's been an honor to run." Signal? NT

[Neshanic]

Easy there Karnack

[karynnj]

83. Unless I'm missreading this, HRC got the vote from the Independence party in 2006

Maybe that's why she spoke only for 2000. I doubt they changed their platform that she called anti-semitic.


http://www.elections.state.ny.us/NYSBOE/elections/2006/general/2006_ussen.pdf

[Az_lefty]

102. Oh, this could be good tomorrow.....

[Az_lefty]

88. Gender, Gender, Gender.....give me a break.

[Kahuna]

106. Every time she does that, even FEWER men vote for her. Why

doesn't she see the correlation?

[NDambi]

89. She needed a KO...did not get it...again

[HeraldSquare212]

92. agreed

[sanjiadem]

108. With Timmy and Brian double teaming her

understandable. I didn't believe what my friend told me about what was going on ... but, joining this forum, I know what they were talking about now.

[NDambi]

119. What about the CNN debate she didnt get KO there either

[sanjiadem]

135. See

#132

[blue horseshoe]

118. She's done

:yoiks: :yoiks: :yoiks:

[MadBadger]

91. CALLING Cali!!!! She left out Vermont.

[Johnny__Motown]

103. Vermont doesn't count

[blogslut]

93. Hillary sez

Both of us feel strongly about our country and commitment. It has been an honor. The first woman president = a sea change. Either one of us will make history. My experience gives me understanding and insight.

[Renew Deal]

95. Sounds like Vermont doesn't count already.

[Pryderi]

96. Who won?

[chknltl]

We The People

[rug]

105. Edwards

[sanjiadem]

132. Edwards was the fifth one screwed over by the M$M and MSNBC

especially. They ran his death knell right about the time the campaign began.

They did it to Richardson, Biden, and Kucinich, too.

Now it's Hillary's turn.

They've decided Obama's their man.

[Renew Deal]

110. America

[Ikonoklast]

111. Hillary had to score a knock-out, but only stayed even at best

Obama on points.

[Johnny__Motown]

112. The Talking Heads Have Not Told Me Yet

[high density]

97. so Clinton gets the first and last word again??

WTF is with this.

[all.of.me]

She did not answer the question!

[billyoc]

98. ZZZZzzzzzzz.........

I'm sorry, Sen. Clinton, we're out of time...

[ORDem]

99. My God! Does this woman ever have a succint thought. On and on and on ....

[jzodda]

101. This is her official farewell....

Say goodbye to her campaign. It ends in a few days

[tandem5]

114. oh - that one was

?

[Haole Girl]

104. "I think we need a fighter in The Whitehouse...."

Not to the point nothing can get done though....food for thought.

[crispini]

107. Yeeeeeehaw!

And now it's time for Keith!

[L. Coyote]

115. Why isn't the Democratic Party organizing the debates during primary season.

Let the networks bid for broadcast rights!

[OzarkDem]

117. Obama is so weak on foreign policy

[high density]

126. Yeah and Clinton is like a 4 star general or something

:eyes:

[godai]

131. National Security Advisor, Sec of State can advise him.

What President walks in with foreign policy experience?

[all.of.me]

144. That's why he needs Richardson.

[rocktivity]

120. FINAL ROUND (FUNDAMENTIAL QUESTION OF OPPONENT) Point to Obama

Said nobody should be held to that kind of standard and proceeded to explain why he thought he was better, pushing Hillary into stump speech mode.

FINAL SCORE: OBAMA 7 with two knockdowns, a TKO and a walkover; CLINTON 1

:headbang:
rocknation

[Renew Deal]

125. Obama is smart enough to not take the bait on this shit.

[Coexist]

129. thanks for your great analysis!

[goodgd_yall]

139. You're just too starry-eyed over Obama

You'd be fired as a referee.

[rocktivity]

142. I didn't say he won by a knockout

And I'm just too SLEEPY-eyed by Hillary!

:headbang:
rocknation

[jenmito]

122. Obama wins!

[keep_it_real]

130. agreed, he held his on

[Az_lefty]

123. oh great, the expert talking heads are on to tell us what it all means

[keep_it_real]

124. Views on End of Debate

[brooklynite]

128. Post-Debate: Does anyone else think its a little sleazy...

...that they're both signing hundreds of autographs after a major policy debate???

[tammywammy]

136. They did it last week too.

No big deal to me.

[ecstatic]

134. Obama should have cut into her final answer about her regret of the IWR vote

and said, "You know, John Edwards apologized for his vote. He made it very clear that he was sorry."

[goodgd_yall]

138. I watched the debate on my own w/o going to the threads here

When I see what's posted here, I realize how thin-skinned so many of my fellow DUers are---taking offense at so many things. I thought the debate was excellent. They both did well. I think Hillary edged Obama out a little, but then I am a Hillary supporter. But I don't see that anyone lost or did a bad job at all.

[brooklynite]

143. I was a Hillary supporter until last week...

maxed out my contributions, worked on the Nevada Caucus, the whole nine yards.

But I've switched because her campaign strategy in the past week tells me she's not ready to go up against McCain. She seems willing to drag this out until the last possible minute -- potentially damaging the Party's ability to rally around a candidate -- and she's shown a willingness to use tactics that haven't been successful and don't bode well for the Fall campaign.

[McCamy Taylor]

145. McCain won. And it was a fixed fight. Russert aired every rumor about Obama and Hillary

he could find. He did nothing but try to provoke arguments and pick at each candidates weaknesses. I don't know why they agreed to be on MSNBC when it was clear that the network is under orders from the Pentagon to stump for McCain (or else GE loses its contracts) and Russert is a horse's ass.

If either Hillary or Obama had told Russert "Shut the fuck up with the politically biased questions, you fucktard" they would have had my vote until the end of time.