Nobody watching this coverage can deny that the media are shills

[MagsDem]

... for Obama. It's an exact replica of how they elected George Bush in 2000. Of particular note is how they pretend they don't think it shows bias do consistently give her the questions first. In fact, they couldn't even IMAGINE why she would think that was unfair. Funny then that the three people in my living figured it out DURING the debate. She is basically being forced to tutor him on his answers prior to him having to answer them himself.

He didn't have a clue what to say about Russia, Afghanistan, Kosovo, or most foreign policy issues. Even with the forced assist by her, he couldn't muster coherent answers without her answers to prep him first. For media pundits to pretend they don't get that's an extreme advantage they afforded him pretty much proves they are doing nothing but shilling for him.

Our media is completely pathetic. And she still kicked his ass. He's going shift our focus to Afghanistan and he hasn't held a SINGLE oversight hearing on the subject in 15 months? Jesus, it's the incompetent Bushies all over again.

[Occam Bandage]

1. And, as you write this, Tweety is demanding that Jesse Jackson answer for Michelle Obama's lack of

patriotism.

[MagsDem]

7. "What did you make of that statement" when Jackson brought it up?

How is that demanding Jesse Jackson answer for it? Jesse Jackson is there to cheerlead for Obama. You're not being honest, sorry.

[Occam Bandage]

13. And when he answers, Tweety pushes the matter three times.

[MagsDem]

Oh yeah, he just beat up on poor Jesse

Really, stop with the lying.

[Occam Bandage]

38. If I were pro-Obama and had a network, I would not be spending ten minutes of a debate on

Louis Fucking Farrakhan.

[MagsDem]

48. You think they could have skipped that?

Man, you really want them to shill so bad for Obama you will never be satisfied no matter much they do it. McCain is going kill him with that pastor of his if he gets to the general election.

[Occam Bandage]

50. LOL. Of course. It's "shilling" when they mention bad things about your candidate,

and only expected when they mention mad things about your candidate's opponent.

[MagsDem]

52. He's a joke, and so is the media, SNL style

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1e_1203868016

[Occam Bandage]

55. Hey, that was a great line of hers, wasn't it? I was worried she might not get booed tonight,

but she came through and came through early.

[MagsDem]

59. Yeah, all two of the people that booed, just like last time

It was probably the MSNBC camera men, on cue.

[Occam Bandage]

64. And, again, "Waaaah my candidate's self-destruction is all the media's fault"

[MagsDem]

70. Gore, Dean, Kerry all destroyed by the media for the rethugs

benefit. If he is the nominee you will watch in horror as they do the same thing to him. And I will be hear to remind you how fair you think the media is. In the meantime, doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1e_1203868016

[Occam Bandage]

110. So let's not repeat the error of giving the media a target as easily destructible as HRC.

[AX10]

37. It was one of the stupidest comments ever made by....

someone involved in a Presidential election.

[napi21]

86. Obviously you don't understand anymore than Tweety!

When you are in a debate, YOU always want to anaswer LAST! That gives you the advandage to not only think about how you want to answer, but to know what your oponent(s) position is! I caught that right away, and anyone who is a student or remembers what it was like being a student, would have caught that right away too!

I voted for Barack, but the media comentary from EVERYONE except people from her campaign really has me pissed off! It's been going on for a LONG TIME. If you just accept it now, how are you going to feel when it switches from Obama to McCain???????

[MagsDem]

95. It's debate 101

And ridiculous to think that the bullshitting pundits don't realize that. Thanks for your post. The reality check is indeed going to hit very hard when the tables get turned if he wins the nod.

[napi21]

100. YEP! Aand in case anyone hasn't caught the HINT of things to come,

take a close look at what the MSM reaction was to the NYT article about McCain, and what it was about the Obama pic!

I'm getting sooo disillusioned by so many posters here on DU lately! There's NO common sense! Tunnel vision prevails! Speak against MY candidate and you're worse than dirt, and speak FOR the opposition candidate YOU'RE WORSE than dirt! FOCUS PEOPLE! Remember just WHO the opposition really is!

[AX10]

103. Most Obama supporters have loved the media kissing...

his ass and watching the bashing of HRC.
I will have a hard time feeling anything for Obama once the media turns their guns on him (if they even do that). They may want to crown him king just as they did with Bush in 2000.

[napi21]

105. I will STILL bash the media if they do that BECAUSE I want them

to play fair. EVERY candidate screws up once in a while. Call them on it, but call them all! I'm willing to accept that there are talking heads for speific sides, but when they try to claim fairness, give me a damn break!

[AX10]

107. Don't come crying to me when the media turns on him in the fall.

I am not interested in hearing about it.

[subsuelo]

2. WAAA she had to answer questions first

WAAAA the media is against her

WAAAA it's so unfair

Face it she will lose the nomination, and it comes down to her vote to grant George W Bush the authority to invade Iraq.

Quit crying

[MagsDem]

18. Oh, I see, so the media that brought you Bush and the Iraq war

is suddenly impartial now, is that your point? My god, SNL is parodying it for a reason. It's so incredibly obvious that only only someone with their head completely up their ass couldn't see it.

[subsuelo]

25. I didnt say that

you're talking to a Kucinich supporter; we definitely understand media bias

[MagsDem]

27. No, you said "waaaaaaa"

I gave you credit for being more mature than you acted.

[gerrilea]

3. FINALLY A REAL VOICE OF REASON!

Now they tare saying "she's getting peevish" because she pointed it out!

We will lose the WH in Nov!

[Evergreen Emerald]

4. It is true. And...she was interrupted at every question.

While Obama talked on and on with no interruption. It was so awful, I really felt for Clinton. And despite the leg-up they gave Obama, and the constant battering of Clinton, she held her own.

I will like to see the amount of time each candidate got to speak. They gave him so much more respect. I bet Timmy and Tweety high-fived each other after and said, "that ought to take care of the bitch."

[Occam Bandage]

6. That's because she was practically filibustering, she was going on for so long.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. you and I watched a different debate. She was not given the opportunity

conversely, Obama was allowed to go on and on with no interruption. Very ugly and obvious.

[Occam Bandage]

14. Clearly, but I imagine your frustration and desperation are just looking for an outlet at this point

of a failing campaign.

[rodeodance]

19. we do not need your patranizing comments attitudes. And that is what you are doing.

[Occam Bandage]

24. And we don't need your barely-coherent attempts to duel me across threads.

[rodeodance]

28. I am flattered.

[Evergreen Emerald]

29. No. I see the reality of the media--as I always have and as DU always has

until of course it favors their candidate...and then they will sleep with the enemy.

Propaganda for press should not be something you applaud. It is the downfall of democracy.

[amborin]

87. that is a vicious thing to say

your remark was nasty

Hillary is a brilliant progressive, she continually astounds me, her grit, her brilliance, her determination, her increbible eloquence and command of the issues and facts....amazing how she was asked that super obscure factual question about the name of the Russian politician now in power, and she knew it!

Hillary makes Obama look inarticulate and unknowledgeable in comparison.....

Hillary is villified in the media, this has been constant throughout her campaign

she is attacked unmerfifully, while Obama is treated with kid gloves

there are numerous theories out there explaining this

one that has quite a bit of traction is that many men feel castrated by a woman in power....they are misogynists at heart, they cannot stand the idea of a woman getting such a position of political power....they want to destroy her....


unfortunately, many people are susceptible, followers....they are swayed by a few slogans

Obama will probably get the dem nomination, but it's our nation's loss

[Occam Bandage]

111. Yes, dear, the only reason Clinton lost is that everyone else is a stupid misogynist.

And no, she did not know Medvedev's name. She didn't get past "muh" without prompting. And, frankly, the next leader of Russia is not "super obscure." I knew it. She should have.

[NDambi]

17. Hillary is a run away Bus..if you don't stop her...she goes on and on..more than Erykah Badu

[rodeodance]

23. well, seems to me it was BO who twiddled away time.

[boston bean]

9. that threw me over the edge. on the very important issue of

NAFTA, they would not let her finish her sentence.

It was disgusting.

[rodeodance]

15. He really should have gone first this week. He had chance to say-I agree--then zap her at will.

[MagsDem]

22. He's needs the help of going last

It's obvious.

[rodeodance]

39. for sure. I had expected him to go first this week. dammmmmmmmm!

[kowanda32]

101. YEP!

He looked lost when he had to go first.:toast:

[Egalia]

89. The media picks our candidate, get used to it people n/t

[Levgreee]

5. Going first is an advantage on many questions, as you are the one who can introduce your views

and make a strong impression on the topic before the other candidate can.

If you know your stuff, some questions are good for you to answer first.

Also, she got to talk 15 more minutes than Obama, so that should be considered a plus.

[MagsDem]

12. Bullshit -- all three people in the room with me thought it was

Obvious why she objected. And it is obvious. They should have just put him in a highchair and spoon fed him from her plate. Would have been more honest.

[apocalypsehow]

26. You and three other people thought so. Alrighty then, I guess that's the last word on the subject...

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

30. alrighty then----she got it -----ha ha.

[MagsDem]

34. Try reading for comprehension -- there was no one in the room that couldn't figure out....

why it provided him with an advantage, even though when the debate was over the media tells us they just can't imagine why HRC would think so. Clue: It was OBVIOUS.

[apocalypsehow]

42. Try writing for comprehension: your OP is not only phony, but nonsensical. But keep erecting and

flailing away at those strawmen, if it make you feel better about the fact that your candidate is not going to be the Democratic nominee.

[MagsDem]

51. It's the exact same affirmative action they afforded Bush

Clearly you weren't paying attention back in 2000 either.

[mtnsnake]

99. What more does anyone have to do to prove that you don't know what your talking about?

Do you have to be spoon fed with info just like Obama before you get the drift?

[sniffa]

10. Not only that

they're also total, inhuman maggots towards widows. What the fuck is wrong with them!?

[boston bean]

11. Do you have anything of importance to say?

Or do you just like to hear yourself type?

[sniffa]

16. No, I never do

thanks for asking. :hi:

[mtnsnake]

94. Zing!!

:toast:

[tandem5]

20. yeah we have all repeated this cycle too many times. nt

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. indeed!

[rodeodance]

35. I feel worn out. the rehasing over the same fights --

[ElsewheresDaughter]

46. I just want to say this before I hit the sack........

Tim Russert is flagrantly biased.

He goes into a 5 minute diatribe beating Hillary over the head, then asks a question at the end of it and considers that fair.


Tim Russert is such a f***ing prick! Let's see if he can get his face out of Obama's ass long enough to challenge him on Exelon and Maytag.

[rodeodance]

63. dammmm.... RussTurd is in love with himself and BO. Sleep well babes:-)

[sykalla2]

31. "What Hillary said....", "Hillary is right on this issue." "I think Hillary and I agree"

I just don't see the op's point. It's quite obvious that he doesn't want to make Hillary look dumb by up-staging her.

[Name removed]

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[sykalla2]

43. 5 posts. 1 for each original idea Obama had in the debate. GOBAMA!! n/t

[MagsDem]

36. Oh you see the point.....

It's quite obvious the media wants to make sure he gets her answers as a cheat sheet before he has to answer his. It was obvious on the question about Russia it was not to be believed.

[rufus dog]

32. I'll take buy a fucking clue for $10,000 Alex!

Come on Mags get it for once, the media is going to rip each one a new asshole no matter how they respond. She performed poorly, but the media is going to project that it was boring, a draw, whatever. Either one is 20x better than McCain, yet you will never hear pointed questions asked to McLame.

[MagsDem]

41. Turn on the post debate coverage.... as usual it's an Obama love fest

It's obvious enough to SNL to parody it, but of course invisible to you. Gotcha.

[JeanGrey]

54. Mags Dem, nearly half of the people in this country cannot

stand Hillary, that is simply the truth. That wasn't going away and it hasn't.

[MagsDem]

60. And half apparrently don't like him

He has no more support than she does against McCain.

[JeanGrey]

67. No. Almost every single poll has shown McCain beating Hillary and

Obama soundly beating McCain. It's just the facts. A lot of this country is sick of the Clinton's.

[MagsDem]

76. Oh please, grace us with links for that

Can't wait.

[JeanGrey]

82. Google is your friend. It's been discussed on here

ad nauseum. But here's just one of many: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26cnd-poll.html?ref=politics

[MagsDem]

85. Oh I googled it.... time for you to be embarrassed now

Obama v McCain

USA Today/Gallup 02/21 - 02/24 1653 LV 48 47 2 McCain +1.0

Rasmussen (Tues) 4 Day Tracking 1700 LV 47 43 10 McCain +4.0

LA Times/Bloomberg 02/21 - 02/25 RV 44 42 9 McCain +2.0

Clinton v Obama

Rasmussen (Tues) 4 Day Tracking 1700 LV 47 44 9 McCain +3.0

LA Times/Bloomberg 02/21 - 02/25 RV 46 40 9 McCain +6.0

USA Today/Gallup 02/21 - 02/24 1653 LV 50 46 1 McCain +4.0

Keep in mind Kerry was ahead of Bush by 10 pts at this point.

[JeanGrey]

113. Dates on those, eh??

[nonconformist]

40. Exactly, I noticed this a LONG time ago

And it's what made me start to feel a little cautious about Obama, and then eventually downright skeptical and suspicious.

One thing we should ALL know by now... when the media is for something, it's a very good indicator that it's a REALLY BAD FUCKING IDEA.

But what makes the media money? Lots and lots of news and people interested in that news. News like wars, big events, controversial news. Now suddenly we're to believe they have our very best interests at heart for a peaceful, prosperous country? Right.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. Obama knows more about foreign policy than Clinton

I don't think we were watching the same debate - besides she was doing a George Bush in not knowing who the Russian was.

[MagsDem]

61. OMG, you cannot possibly believe that

He has made some of the stupidiest foriegn policy comments since GW Bush debated Gore.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

118. that's not true

[ProSense]

45. Ten minutes on Farrakhan? Whine much? Hillary got crushed:

Who do you think won the debate?

Hillary Clinton 9% 672 votes
Barack Obama 90% 6549 vote

[nonconformist]

47. A Kos poll? Biased much? nt

[Renew Deal]

56. That's the core of the Democratic community.

You guys whine too much.

[MagsDem]

62. Sorry, DKos is hardly the core of the democratic community

You don't get out much, do you?

[Renew Deal]

68. You're wrong.

Again. Look at site hits. Kos is one of the top sites.

[MagsDem]

79. So what? Dkos gets a million hits per day

Not unduplicated, with an avg view time of 1 min each. There were 120 million voters in the last presidential election. No, I don't think that qualifies them as the "Democratic community."

[AX10]

104. They are a small part of the party.

The extreme left wing is what Kos is made of.

[RiverStone]

49. Who the fuck can defend the corporate M$M...but they also anointed her for most of last year...n/t

[nonconformist]

53. I will never forget what they did to Edwards, ever.

Or what they did to Dean.

[MagsDem]

66. Exactly -- the media in this country is democracy's downfall

With a healthy assist from sheeple.

[MagsDem]

57. Well of course they did....

That's how we ended up with the two WORST and unelectable candidates of the whole bunch.

[ecstatic]

58. The media is calling it a draw... All of them... in unison

When it's clear that Obama won the debate.

[MagsDem]

65. If it's obvious enough to SNL, it's obvious

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b1e_1203868016

[Skittles]

69. I see them more as shills for repukes

but you are correct that the fawning over Obama and the hatred for Hillary is way, WAY overdone

[MagsDem]

72. Oh definitely -- it's a set-up

Watch the Obama supporters do a 180 flip flop on this concept when they start to fawn over McCain if Obama gets the nod.

[Skittles]

73. I pointed it out in a thread tonight

they were outraged when the media cozied up to bush - but now it is acceptable for Obama. IT IS NEVER RIGHT FOR ANY CANDIDATE!!!!

[AX10]

109. We all know the flip-flop is coming.

[nonconformist]

74. YES, they are shills for the repukes

Which is why we should heavily question ANYTHING they're shilling for. Why is he appealing to Republicans yet alienating large chunks of the Democratic base? Besides, the media fawning over Obama now makes it more effective when they destroy him before November.

[AX10]

108. All true.

[mtnsnake]

71. Awesome post, MagsDem

I love your style :)

[Skittles]

78. she's got guts, that's for sure!

:thumbsup:

[mtnsnake]

91. aint that the truth, skittles

:thumbsup:

[MagsDem]

75. Did you note the tone in Obama's voice when he said...

"I've BEEN a little busy" when asked why he hadn't had a single oversight hearing on Afghanistan? Not a single one in 15 mths. Brimming with indigence that his precious campaign would be interrupted with such trivialities.

Here's an idea, if you don't have time to do the job don't brag about having it, and better yet, let someone have it that will actually enforce the proper oversight.

He really sickens me.

[Laurab]

88. And Hillary's been "too busy" to hand over her tax forms

But, that's ok, right?

[MagsDem]

97. You can't possibly be equating the two, can you?

Sorry, that is just utterly and totally moronic.

[Laurab]

116. Of course you would think so.

What is Hillary hiding?

Obama explained why no meetings have been held - Hillary is hiding something. I guess you didn't listen to their answers - or non-answer, in Hillary's case.

[Splinter Cell]

77. Here we go

Ever since this campaign started, it was Clinton was the inevitable nominee. Only recently when Obama has started to do very well, has that stopped.

People are starting to decide that they want Obama because of the inspiration and authenticity he projects, and everyone behind Clinton says "Wait, something is unfair!" How could Hillary possibly be losing if everything is on the level in this race? It must be the media, or sexism, or some scheme from the right.

The fact is, at the end of the day Obama is the better candidate between the two. I know Hillary fans don't like that fact, but you can't keep coming up with excuses. Eventually you have to admit that she hasn't been as strong a candidate.

[MagsDem]

80. Oh man, this country has no hope if we determined to remain this clueless

The media decided for you that you were going to have a choice between the two most unlectable democrats. That you could watch Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Dean, and now Clinton be smeared by the media, soon to be followed by Obama if he does get the nod, and still not get it just tells me there really is no hope for this country. Reality is going to kick you guys so hard in the ass it will be painful for ALL of us to watch.

[MzShellG]

81. He was a gentleman to even show up.

She's the one who wanted this so-called debate. It was totally pointless with all their ignorant questions. Such nonsense. She's lucky he took time out of his busy schedule (talking directly to voters) to participate. If her supporters don't like how it played out, then blame her. Barack didn't ask for it. The nerve of you to complain after egging her on as she tried to coerce him into debates with her. Too bad her plan to trip him up didn't work. Oh well, that was her last chance...GoBama!

[MagsDem]

83. Lord St. Obama, the second coming..... hallowed be his name

Yeah, we know. It's just a fucking shame we couldn't have just skipped the whole primary thing and simply coronated him, as is his due. LOL!

[MzShellG]

84. Hey, you said it. Not I......Somehow, I do find that amusing. nt

[MagsDem]

93. Normal people find it creepy

[Eurobabe]

90. Listen to what JOE BIDEN just said re: Afghanistan

You know not what you speak of...Obama is doing just fine.

Biden Warns of Failure in Afghanistan

By JOHN HEILPRIN – 1 day ago

NEW YORK (AP) — Sen. Joseph Biden on Monday called for more U.S. aid for Afghanistan and deeper NATO involvement there, saying failure could also have dire consequences for neighboring Pakistan.

NATO must be "fully in the fight" in Afghanistan — nothing less than the future of the alliance is at stake, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee told a luncheon crowd at the Council on Foreign Relations.

"Many of our NATO allies thought they were signing up for a peacekeeping mission, not counter-insurgency operations," said Biden, D-Del. "Many are fighting with incredible bravery in the south. But the so-called "national caveats" are making a mockery of NATO — and the notion of a unified mission." http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iKbORLXdbh3i0_YhwPxYjlqTIj1AD8V1MOVG0

[MagsDem]

92. How does that help Obama who is chair of the committee on oversight

for Afghanistan, but hasn't held a single hearing in the 15 months since he has been appointed? More of that transformational leadership, eh? Sounds like Bush style incompetence rather than "transformational" leadership. LOL, if it wasnt so fucking sad.

[rodeodance]

98. gee, yah think BO should hold a few committee hearings?? 15 months is LONG neglect of his duties!

[ElsewheresDaughter]

96. Just throwing this out there....

Exelon Energy is a top 10 donor to the Obama campaign, contributing nearly a quarter of a million in bundled donations to the Obama campaign.


They are also a big advertiser/sponsor on MSNBC... If you watch the channel throughout the day, you will see their advertizements all over the place.


Wonder why Russert is taking it soft on Obama?

Don't bite the hand that feeds you...

[Raffi Ella]

102. I couldn't believe how blatant they were about it.

Just unbelievable.You'd think we were watching a football game instead of trying to elect a President.

I'm stunned by how poised and knowledgeable and PRESIDENTIAL she is and equally as stunned that he has gotten as far as he has on nothing but rhetoric and "hope".


Good Lord!She's gotta win this thing you guys.Seriously.

[cali]

106. lol. all those sour grapes you've consumed

seem to have left you bloated and dyspeptic. Obama is not remotely like bush, in temperment, intelligence or experience. He's substantive and well informed- as you'll see when you choke on the words President Obama.

[workinclasszero]

112. Jesus, it's the incompetent Bushies all over again.

Hey you can always vote for McCain in the GE if you hate Obama that much.:puke:

[Seabiscuit]

114. If Obama's our nominee and debates McCain, they'll ask Obama all the first questions.

[SeaLyons]

115. Yes, I agree with you 100%

The media is completely bias, doesn't pick up on ANYTHING negative to Obama - even when it jumps out and slaps them in the face. Hillary outshines him tenfold, and yet they start right in tearing her down and building him up. Very discouraging.

WE NEED HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!

[kid a]

117. Wow...you are so wrong on all the Obama points. She surely didn't "kick his ass"

Your misleading thread title and bias (hatred) toward Obama makes your post so slanted only a Clinton shill will even finish reading it (I did, but felt dirty after reading the down right hatred spewing).