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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:11 PM
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No knockout punch tonight - How does Hillary change the dynamics now?
We can argue over who got the slight edge, but the fact is that neither candidate knocked out the other. Considering Obama's momentum, especially in Texas, is it possible for Hillary to change the narrative at this point?

If so, how?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:12 PM
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1. She's trying.
But, nothing's working. Her only hope now is an epic Obama fall, of his own doing. Nothing she can do will change it now. Nothing.
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:15 PM
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6. Maybe the press will dig a little deeper now.
They brought up a lot of issues (No meetings on Afghanistan, his pastor's views, his embrace of Bush's actions in Pakistan).
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:18 PM
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7. Let 'em dig. They can only sell what the people are willing to buy.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:14 PM
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2. kitchen sink
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:14 PM
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4. That was this weekend.....
now, on to the bathroom!
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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:45 AM
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37. She threw in the sink, fridge & stove over the past 3 days..
And came out looking a bit bruised because of it, IMO
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:14 PM
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3. She wins Ohio, Rhode Island and hopes for a narrow win in Texas
Remember that early voting is running heavily in her favor...
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:18 PM
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8. Is early voting heavily in her favor? Link please?
I haven't seen this anywhere.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:20 PM
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13. You heard it coming out of the asscrack of jackson_dem
Nobody knows.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:26 PM
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21. The SUSA poll. Hill up by 10 in EV which means Obama has to win by 3 on March 4. to win
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:20 PM
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11. It is?
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:22 PM
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15. Not in Texas, it isn't...
..the early voting in Texas began the day AFTER Wisconsin..... and the heavy turnout in strong Obama areas in Texas is blowing the turnout in strong Hillary areas away.


She will end up losing Texas by a comfortable margin. She has to hope to hold on to a narrow win in Ohio.... I'm not betting on it.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:59 PM
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31. Even if she wins Ohio narrowly it won't be enough.
I'm not sure I understand why people don't get this?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:22 PM
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16. SUSA has early voting at 51-46 for her, that is hardly heavily.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:31 PM
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23. Is this in Texas? Link please? nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:33 PM
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24. go to their site
www.surveyusa.com

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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:37 PM
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28. I see nothing there about early voting exit polls in texas...nt
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:42 PM
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29. Here
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:49 PM
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30. Thanks! Hadn't seen that. nt
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:39 AM
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34. You're reading it wrong. OOPS. I was
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:40 AM by dmesg
EDIT: Nevermind, i was reading it wrong.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:15 PM
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5. Its too late now
She's been positive.

She's gone negative.

Theres not enough time left for the only thing she has left........firing her campaign staff and reinventing herself.

Its too late.
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:19 PM
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9. She's trying to get the women back in her court
But that alone isn't going to give her these 20% wins she needs to beat the mathematics of what's happening.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:19 PM
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10. More leaks to Drudge about Obama?
Just saying.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:20 PM
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12. Change the dynamics? Oh, that's easy: she gets out and starts
hammering on McCain.

John McCain: Only 10 in dog years.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:21 PM
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14. What planet do you live on? My wife and I watched, trying,
hoping, to give any point possible to Clinton. And she tanked. The media wants a race, but it's over.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:31 PM
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22. Well again, people can disagree on this point... you would agree there was no knockout, right?
I fully support Obama and thought he won tonight, but I don't see that either candidate looked that bad. Obama scored better in Foreign Policy, for instance, but there were certainly places where Hillary looked good.

My point isn't that one or the other won, but that the margin wasn't a game changer.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:37 PM
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27. No knockout, but re-enforced stereotypes.
Think early on, with the "but. but, I want to drag the health care debate on". Her points were valid, very valid, but it's an audience thing, and my audience groaned..
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stahbrett Donating Member (855 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:24 PM
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18. My prediction: Magic tricks or juggling act
She's too smart to avoid a mime routine.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:24 PM
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19. A simple NO
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:26 PM
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20. No.
I hope she withdraws with grace on March 5th.

Doing so will preserve much of her political capital.

We need to reunify ASAP and we need Hillary supporters to win.

It's over and the dynamics will only grow stronger for an Obama nomination with each passing day.

Good fight Hillary - but it's over.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:34 PM
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25. SOBBING UNCONTROLABLY!
WHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

SORRY -- SHE'S A LOUSY CANDIDATE
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:36 PM
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26. I agree that the whiney moment early looked REALLY whiney...nt
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:35 AM
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32. Surprising death of her rival. nt
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:38 AM
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33. Death of Obama?????
What are you talking about?
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:40 AM
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35. Yes that is the only thing that's going to change the dynamics in her favor.
Don't take me seriously.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:42 AM
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36. Ah, got it. Thanks. nt
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