Female Experince In WH Ok.. Black Experince In WH Evil?

[NJObamaWoman]

I am so tired of hearing Hilary talk about how important her experince as a woman would be if she is president. However if Obama says anything about being black he would be crucified for it. Again being black in America is evil and I'm NOT proud to be an American. I'm tired of this garbage that HRC keeps pushing. I'm a black woman and no matter who wins there will be amazing change. I need HRC to stop it right now. She is becoming so manipulating since she knows BO can't come out and allude to being black since that would scare many now blacks. I find her doing this very nasty. She just continues to give me more reason why I'm glad I didn't vote for her.

[Kittycat]

1. Just ignore her, she's desperate and ...

praying on the ignorance of those that would rally behind her just because she's a woman.

[NJObamaWoman]

15. but I'm tired of that because she is using her womanhood as a cheap ploy.

[cbayer]

34. Desperate? Praying (I think you meant preying) on the ignorance? Just because she is a woman?

Do you know how ridiculous you sound?

[MadBadger]

2. Cuz Condoleeza rice in the WH would be a gem.

[woolldog]

3. I agree with you NJObamawoman

There's no way that HRC, if she's the nominee, would get black support in the GE. I think she's burned that bridge unfortunately.

One of the reasons I think she's unelectable, btw.

[NJObamaWoman]

9. its truly disgusting really

I'm on my iPhone typing so if I make errors please forgive me. Anyway I'm just tired of her playing the gender card and yet no one calls her out on it.

[woolldog]

11. They called her on it (sort of)

on MSNBC. They pointed out that had Obama done the same thing all hell would've broken loose.

[cbayer]

35. Please give me an example of where she plays the gender card. nt.

[democrattotheend]

10. She would get the majority of black voters, but some would stay home, IMO

Especially if Obama goes into the convention with more pledged delegates and the superdelegates give it to her.

[woolldog]

17. I think you'd be surprised.

[cbayer]

37. There is no way that HRC would get black support in the GE? You are joking, right?

[woolldog]

49. I'm not joking.

Didn't mean to imply that people would shift over to McCain. But the way she's treated Barack hasn't gone over very well in the black community. Most likely you'd have a combination of very low turnout and leaving the presidential spot blank.

She's also really alienated men, although I don't think the damage has been permanent. I just don't see that she'll be able to win the GE having alienated so many voters.

[EFerrari]

4. She'll likely be gone in about a week. And, I agree with you. It's been nasty. n/t

[jackson_dem]

5. If it is true she played the gender card (again) then she was wrong

But we had one major candidate who didn't play either the gender or race card and we kicked him out to the curb. We deserve what we are getting on this, trade, etc.

[JVS]

6. Look here, some hillbots can't even tell if we've had a black president or not

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4789665&mesg_id=4791006

[cbayer]

40. Totally out of context, and you know it.

The poster was saying that in this country a small amount of african blood pegs someone as black.

But of course, you are right. Hillbots are idiots and should all be exterminated.

Get a grip.

[JVS]

60. The context was that I asked if we'd had 10 black presidents and she claimed not to know

And then obfuscated with some DNA stuff. I never asked about DNA, I asked if we've had any black presidents.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. opps there it is....Obama folks playing the race card as usual...and Obama had several

opportunities tonight to do just that....say it is a historic time for him to be the fist black president....Hillary has said even mentioned it several times for him.

[NJObamaWoman]

12. Oh bull if he would have said that

racist America would pop up again. He would be crucified. It really has nothing to do with the race card and more to do with how stupid HRC is for continuing to play the gender card. As a woman, she should be ashamed for using that ploy. It only shows he sad this thing truly is cause she is no woman.

[cbayer]

41. Could you please provide an example of Clinton using the gender card?

"It only shows he said this thing truly is cause she is a woman"? What in the world does that mean?

[Hazelrah]

8. margaret thatcher, anyone?

Just saying. . . :hi:

[sanjiadem]

13. I find it insulting that Obama was so quick to run around to

Christian venues, the M$M, etc. to play the Christian card and make sure they knew he was not a Muslim -- like it's some sort of plague. But, I understand it.

Fact is the M$M, is raising all Obama's talking points for him, with regard to race --- and, is why he doesn't need to.

Black or female, Muslim or Christian, shouldn't matter, but it does, to some.

[NJObamaWoman]

18. there's a big difference. No one was going around talking about Hrc being

something she is not. We know she is a woman. People didn't know obama and they were trashing him due to race and his "funny" name. I don't think that was insulting since he said there were nothing wrong with being a muslim.

[sanjiadem]

20. Yeah, except he made sure to go to Idaho straight away and

go all Christian (and pro-gun owner rights), as soon as the question was raised. Actions speak louder than words.

[NJObamaWoman]

23. he had to go to them because those are some of the people who have the

biggest problem with Muslims and other religions. If he didn't go straight to them than they wouldn't have known the truth. I mean there are people to this day who think he's a radical Muslim.

[sanjiadem]

24. No, they thought he might be a Muslim ...

My perfect candidate would ignore such small minded bigots and say "So, what? My religious affiliation is none of your business. While I may not be a Muslim, whether I am or am not should not matter. It says so in the Constitution. You might want to read it sometime as it is the ONLY specific mention of religion IN THE FREAKIN DOCUMENT!!!"

Edit: The Constituion only states that religious affiliation or lack thereof should have no bearing on worthiness to hold office. (paraphrased)

Especially, with all the anti-Muslim sentiment in this country as well as the misleading rhetoric concerning the country being founded on Christianity, it was a major opportunity missed.

[NJObamaWoman]

27. then your perfect candidate must not have ever experienced racism

before. BO is a half black man who already has one hand tied behind his back due to racism in America. He had to say that and stand up for himself because America is truly unfair and unjust.

[sanjiadem]

29. Take a look at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4791319&mesg_id=4792160

I'm from a mixed race/gender/sexual orientation family. Trust me, I've witnessed bigotry.

On edit: BTW I am surprised to feel alone in my experience. But, most of my friends and family are in mixed ethnic, religious-nonreligous, multi-racial families, too. Maybe we're exceptions, but in our circle, it's not that uncommon.

Maybe it is why I feel the way I do. That until someone has the balls to stand up and say 'Knock it off you small-minded idiots!', things will never change

[NJObamaWoman]

38. but a black man in America can't say that without the media

and racist in America jumping on him. It would be played as if Obama was feeling sorry for himself and Americans are racist and prejudice. These are things that many Americans don't want to hear because they will have to take a good look at themselves especially after 9'11 with all the anti Islam crap that was spouted by many Americans. Once people realize they are blinded... They won't like that and will turn on Obama in a heartbeat.

[sanjiadem]

39. Well, it would have been nice if he were courageous enough

not to care about winning over doing what needs to be done to make things truly 'right'.

I believe some of our best leaders, who came before him, would have.

[NJObamaWoman]

I don't believe they would. I rather he does things after he gets in

if he would do what you want him to do he wouldn't win. At the end of the day its about winning in order to enact anytype of change.

[sanjiadem]

45. Any Dem is change ... greatness, that's another thing

Unfortunately, we may miss a window of opportunity when the country and the world was ready (if not begging) for it.

[NJObamaWoman]

46. sorry everyone

I'm on my iPhone and it changes my letters around. So if any of my posts seem crazy I'm sorry. :( my damn laptop is down for the next week. I'm glad I've found du because the people here are so interesting

[rexy]

31. Sorry to say,

but your perfect candidate would never be elected in our society at this time. Maybe years from now when racism and prejudice is gone, but right now, No.

[woolldog]

33. Your perfect candidate would lose then.

B/c unfortunately we live in a bigoted society.

I agree though in a perfect world being muslim wouldn't be a big deal and it wouldn't be an issue.

[sanjiadem]

43. Maybe... maybe not, but if ever the time was right for greatness ....

and real, dramatic, change ... it is now. Bush is at 19% approval, most of the country and the world is ready and 'gets it' -- but, IMO, neither Obama or Clinton brought greatness or real change to the table.

[woolldog]

48. Let's put it this way

Obama's very presence in the white house would pave the way for more diversity in politics when it comes to gender, religion, and ethnicity.

It's a complete paradigm shift and I don't think he needs to become a spokesman for aggrieved minorities everywhere (nor Clinton for her gender) for him to have a positive effect on the national psyche and open the door for everyone who's been traditionally left out.

[sanjiadem]

50. Sorry to disagree, but following that logic

"more diversity in politics when it comes to gender, religion, and ethnicity", Condi Rice would do the same amount of good.

Whereas, it is, IMO, beyond race or any of the other things you mention -- we need to bust down the walls of corporate control on our government and our lives - be they foreign or domestic.

They are the ones who brought on this unjust war and continue to bleed all of us dry (no matter what race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion/non-religion, etc.) we are.

[woolldog]

55. Given the goals that you have, that you've stated,

I can appreciate your perspective.

[MzShellG]

14. Those comments from her shoulld be denounced and rejected by her supporters.

They would all condemn Barack and accuse him of race baiting if he blantantly told voters to support him BECAUSE we need a BLACK president in the WH. Imagine the backlash. :eyes:

[NJObamaWoman]

26. now that won't happen cause NRC does no wrong in some peoples eyes

[cbayer]

42. What comments? What in the world are you talking about? nt.

[nonconformist]

16. This is absolutely ridiculous.

Now Hillary can't even talk about being a woman without you people saying she has a sinister, hidden agenda. Listen to yourselves.

[NJObamaWoman]

21. no you listen to Hrc because she uses her womanhood to get cheap votes.

a real woman would stand on her own two feet and her record without having to use cheap ploys to beg women voters for their support. Again I hate stuff like that. That to me is everything that the women movement is against. Its about standing on our feet and making people look past gender and look at substance. I just want her to stop using the gender card.

[cbayer]

44. What cheap ploys? What gender card?

What in the world are you talking about.

Take two aspirin, go to bed and re-think.

This whole thread is just about the stupidest thing I have seen here all day.

[BlooInBloo]

19. You must be new to this country....

... A black person mentioning race is an oversensitive race-card player who wants special rights.

It's great when the foxes guard the henhouse.

[NJObamaWoman]

25. that's what's pissing me off

MO is being attacked for being unpatriotic. People are talking about her thesis paper and yet they don't understand her feelings about her experince of being a black woman in America. Its like.. Since she went to good schools and there are many more successful black people in America that we don't still experince racism. Its like some groups want to shut up black folks because they can't deal with the fact that we want more. We DESERVE and DEMAND fair and equal treatment!

[sanjiadem]

28. At this point, we've all been screwed

Just look at the stats ... the upper 6% control pretty much everything and the rest of us are left to fight over the scraps.

And, they don't discriminate by race, gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity ... they screw all equally, unless you have enough money and/or power-political clout.

My family is mixed - racially, religiously, by gender and sexual orientation, etc. and we find we're all pretty much in the same boat. If not for each other, we'd be sinking.

[BlooInBloo]

32. It's not race it's class, eh?

DUers slay me.

[sanjiadem]

36. At local levels, it may be more race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc.

Depends upon where you live. And, even then, at least you get 'face time' with the folks around you to let them see you're not some evil entity hell-bent on destroying them. And, once in a while, they surprise you and open their minds.

But, big picture, at the federal/global level, yeah -- it is economic and political/power that makes the biggest difference.

[bigbrother05]

22. k and r

[MzShellG]

30. KnR....nt

[cbayer]

47. OMG!!! I have wandered into Romper Room. nt.

[whatchamacallit]

52. Woman, black, whatever, let's get on with it

However it turns out let's coalesce around the nominee and end the madness. We've still got a long road to travel.

[cbayer]

56. I am with you reset and glad to see you here. nt.

[bellasgrams]

51. You're kidding, right? BO has brought up race too many times

He has whined about racist remarks when there was none. He talking about the poor little black kids going to school. A man running for president, should know better. There are lots of poor little white kids also. Being poor doesn't discriminate. The schools are full of poor little kids in one parent homes, some causes-jail,drugs,alcohol, divorce,never married, dead-beat dads,unemployment and no jobs to be had.

[NDambi]

61. He supports a different type of Affirmative Action based on ecomics and not race..which means

a lot of those poor little white kids will be included in the fairness pie. I agree with that tactic too..minorities will stil be quite represented, as will those that are poor in the majority.

It would be a huge leap forward for real equality because any person with common sense knows, not all white people are rich and/or comfortable.

[MagsDem]

53. Women are 50% of the population yet have never been elected president

Think that might have something to do with it?

[sanjiadem]

57. Until we, as a people, get beyond race, gender, religious affiliations, etc. ourselves ....

they will have an opportunity to control us. It's not about race, gender, religion, etc. it's about using those things to keep us divided ... so the folks with money and powerful people in their pockets can continue to bleed us dry.

Don't let them do it. 94% of us are working our butts off for less and less -- seeing our kids fore go college, refinancing our homes to pay off debt, losing our retirement benefits, paying more for essentials, etc. - while they are filling their already fat faces at our trough.

Why?

Because they can manipulate us with Bull Shit -- like race, fear, false patriotism, religion, etc.

It's all Bull Shit.

[MagsDem]

58. I'm kind of tired of women being treated like a minority

when they aren't. But that isn't why I won't ever vote for Obama. I wouldn't care if he were purple if I thought he would be a good leader.

[Levgreee]

54. here is her comment, playing the gender card

".obviously, I am thrilled to be running to be the first woman president, which I think would be a seachange in our country and around the world. And would give enormous hope, and you know, give a real challenge to the way things have been done, and who gets to do them, and what the rules are".



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434 /

Click on "Jackson on the Debate"

It is at 4:40 in the video



In the commentary afterwards it is said that this is a direct appeal to woman to try to draw some back, a hail-mary to gain more votes. I am inclined to agree.

[MagsDem]

59. She's right

Last time I checked, women have made up 50% of this country for several hundred years. Black ones, white ones, brown ones, etc. It's about damn time one was elected president.

[NDambi]

62. The people don't support your view...or they are not ready or not for this particular women for prez

those are the facts...

[Bullet1987]

63. There's definently a double-standard with regards to race-baiting in politics

White politicians are perfectly in line when they race-bait. It's done all the time in the South, and will likely go on. When Black politicians even mention their race...the MSM is ready to crucify them. But I think this is just another example of Hillary Clinton being given a pass by the media because she's a Clinton.