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Tue Feb-26-08 11:57 PM
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Obama is looking a little stale |
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Last couple of times I've seen him, he seems to have lost his edge. Like a football team that has locked up the division, but still has one or two games left, he's just going through the motions. I hope it doesn't cost him. He needs to get away for a week to recharge.
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Tue Feb-26-08 11:59 PM
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1. Like a fine wine, he just keeps getting better. |
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I'm sorry some of you are impervious to appreciating that.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:09 AM
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20. Absolutely. And many, many American voters are just getting to know him! |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:24 AM
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25. I'm having a great time watching his candidacy unfold. |
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He is a brilliant, masterful tactician. I can hardly wait to see him at work in the White House.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:57 AM
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33. Like a football team that has just gone through some fine wine? |
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:01 AM
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34. A fine wine thats been uncorked and turned to a fine vinegar...yes, I agree.. |
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Obama has finally shown himself to be weary of the stress and pressures of the campaign in spite of all the Democratic support and all the endorsements, he's fading under the weight of trying to defend his erroneous attacks on Senator Clinton. Thusly, in light of the obvious drain on his fitness to face a formidable McCain in the General; it is not in our best interests to hand him the nomination. Senator Clinton looked radient and refreshed in tonights debate. She has proven time and time again she is the candidate best equipped to fight on and fight for us against the Republicans and McCain in the General.
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Tue Feb-26-08 11:59 PM
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2. Actually the opposite. Obama is always subdued in debates but these past 2 he's excelled |
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and has improved greatly.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:03 AM
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12. He's gotten so much better in debates |
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:09 AM
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35. Weary from the stress is how Obama came across tonight. |
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Obama did not look stronger than Clinton. We need our strongest candidate to face the Republicans in the General. Obama is not seasoned enough for the Pro-Fight with McCain. McCain is already taking him on about Obama using Federal Funding for the General, and Obama didn't have an answer.. He thinks McCain is going to sit down with him for a heart to heart talk and be his buddy in campaign finance and compromise..heh!
The naive Obama once again falls on his sword.
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Wed Feb-27-08 06:19 AM
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53. Well Obama is who we're going to have in the GE, it won't be Hill..that's |
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Tue Feb-26-08 11:59 PM
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3. I did not get that impression |
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but surely they both must be exhausted
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:01 AM
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4. Did Obama say that his Senate campaign against Alan Keys, in which he won in a landslide......... |
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Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:02 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
70% to 27%, was a "high stakes campaign" ???
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
that's pretty gut-busting. Keyes gets less votes in his presidential campaigns than Mike Gravel.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:02 AM
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it was hotly contested. That is what he was talking about.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:03 AM
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13. Primary fight....... Two strong other candidates, and he was way behind them both... |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:06 AM
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17. If you remember that election,they actually had to beg someone to run against Obama for that seat... |
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Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:06 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
I think they even tried getting Dick Butkus or someone, and he declined.
In steps Alan Keys to get assreamed by the guy who just gave the keynote address at the Democratic convention.
"High stakes"... Lmao!
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:11 AM
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23. Yes... for the GE... just like Hillary's opponents in NY... but in the Primaries.... |
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...he had TWO well-known strong Democratic candidates ahead of him, and he ended up trouncing them both.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:35 AM
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27. Check your time frame before you bust your gut. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:36 AM by Big Blue Marble
He was in the early stages of his primary campaign in 03 when he made his anti-war speech. He ran against Keyes in the fall of 04. Your assumption falls flat.
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Wed Feb-27-08 06:26 AM
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55. You expect them to deal in reality at this point? Smear and distortion is all they have left. |
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Even Einstein can't save em now.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:01 AM
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5. I agree. I sense a change of momentum in the early stages |
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However, I don't think Obama is in too much danger of losing yet. Maybe by Friday though.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:02 AM
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10. Link for you snake....... |
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http://www.intrade.comPay close attention to the direction the numbers moved tonight. Hint: Obama up, Clinton down.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:01 AM
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6. Yeah... he needs to get away. I hear he'll be travelling to Texas... |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:05 AM
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15. I was thinking more like a week on Maui |
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after Texas and Ohio. He's been at this a long time. His butt must be dragging.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:02 AM
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8. Hillary sounded like a shrill harpy |
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I don't want to listen to that for 4-8 years. I doubt whether the rest of America does either.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:04 AM
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14. You, of course, have no idea what YOU sound like. n/t |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:05 AM
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Enough with this sexist bullshit.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:37 AM
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28. I won't echo your terms, but felt HRC was angry tonight ... |
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... in comparison to BO's calm, deliberate delivery.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:14 AM
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38. To clarify your interpretaion.. |
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Hillary was firm, deliberate and devastating to Obama poll numbers tonight. Hillary is clearly the stronger candidate for the General Election facing McCain.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:19 AM
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39. Ah, I see you have the same grasp of the meaning of the word "clarify"... |
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... as you have on reality. (hint: not a firm grasp, at all... just to clarify)
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:28 AM
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40. Check out the news reports... Obama was WEAK and INEFFECTIVE.. |
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in defending his actions of sending out a mailer falsifying the literature on Hillary's Health Care Plan and NAFTA.. Of course, Obama was faced with an unfamiliar territory not covered in Cliff Notes and was visibly at a distinct disadvantage. Perhaps you were tuned in to a replay of the Republican debate.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:34 AM
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43. I'll keep watching the debate. Perhaps I'll come across the segment you're referring to. |
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Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:35 AM by krkaufman
... but, thus far, she seems angry and reactionary, while Obama seems calm and deliberative.
edit: p.s. ... noting also that even HRC seems the model of diplomacy in comparison to Russert.
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Wed Feb-27-08 02:01 AM
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51. Russert looks like he's been a regular for Botox treatments (forehead) |
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His shiny forehead looked like a flesh colored balloon ready to burst!
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Wed Feb-27-08 02:08 AM
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52. chuckle. Yeah, he especially seemed crazed when play-acting... |
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... the part of the "sovereign Iraqi government" telling HC/BO to leave.
And Russert interrupted the candidates' responses FAR too often. You can bet he wouldn't show the same disrespect to GOP candidates, who are friends of Jack.
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Wed Feb-27-08 08:54 PM
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56. Russert & Matthews would make terrific fodder for a weekly SNL skit.. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:39 AM
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46. bwahahahaha. Whatever you say, Baghdad Bobette n/t |
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:12 AM
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37. Theres an amicable solution.. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:02 AM
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9. His job tonight was not to make any mistakes. He got that done. |
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That's all he needed to cover.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:03 AM
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11. In a week he'll probably be able to get that week off. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:06 AM
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18. People are beginning to see that after the speech and the |
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repeated word "change" 40,000 times there is really nothing concrete about obama. HRC did not need to knock out obama tonight. All she needed to do is make folks stop and take a look at what we already know and that is there is nothing but an empty suit without nothing to hold on too....
Maybe there is time left for hrc to right her ship and overcome and win this campaign and not allow this empty suit to lead this country further down the rabbit hole.....
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:10 AM
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21. Which explains why his share price on the election markets went UP after the debate.... |
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...and hers went down.
Whatever makes you feel comfortable, BenDavid.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:39 AM
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45. I still fear the Repuke meddlers and the zillion college students who |
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think we're choosing captain of the football team.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:52 AM
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48. Tweety on now stating Obama's debating skills are weak because his message on the STUMP |
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resonates quite differently when he's the only voice in the room. When debating policy and Truth, Obama comes across as weak and ham-hamded. Against McCain, he'll be chopped liver. I thought that was a monumental concession by Tweety.. Of course, by tomorrow the spin will have spun it's short life into pro-Obamania. At least some of us get it and our thoughts and feelings are not predicated on a Popularity contest. We seem to prefer tangibles producing favorable outcomes.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:08 AM
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19. He wouldn't be able to make a point if he |
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didn't use the word "notion". He's worn it out already. :eyes:
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:11 AM
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22. it's called temperment |
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he's not flying off the handle, changing his emotions every day.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:12 AM
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24. Um, it's not normal to exhibit 14 different personalities -- Obama is the sane one. |
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:40 AM
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29. ha! That's what I've been thinking IRT Hillary's last debate performance ... |
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... and her various appearances since. Angry one moment, conciliatory the next, with moments of paranoia and persecution complex.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:49 AM
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31. I'm sure she's fine, she's just playing Sybil in this election. |
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She showcases her own perceived weakness (smells like sexism) by appearing emotionally unstable. She should make Mark Penn cough up every dime she has paid him.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:10 AM
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36. Yeah, I'd be awfully resentful of the advice I'd been given ... |
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... if I were her. And the money... ouch!
It'll be interesting to see the final results of dollars spent on this election.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:30 AM
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26. Are you looking for an entertainer, or a President? He's not a stand-up comic. |
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He doesn't have to come up with bold new material and zippy new tactics and slogans every week. He just has to make his basic message sink into the brains of ordinary American voters, and get them to trust him. That's it.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:53 AM
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32. I just think he looks a little flat lately |
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and needs some r&r to recharge. I want to see him at the top of his game against the republicon attack machine.
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Wed Feb-27-08 12:41 AM
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30. Extremely Stale...Maybe he should drop out... |
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:34 AM
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42. I think the question was answered tonight.. This was the Truth telling debate.. |
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and Obama got an "F" in the Truth telling category regarding his Campaign's propaganda doing and saying anything to WIN! He never effectively refuted her accusation he was falsifying her Health Care Proposal and NAFTA! It's that simple. It's all Campaign Propaganda coming from the Obama camp.. confusion Americans do not need or want.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:36 AM
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44. He also wore his "what she said" sign on his forehead again. When they |
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finally asked him a question first, he almost went into shock.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:58 AM
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50. Shocked because his usual tactic when cornered is to align with Sen Clinton.. |
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Nowhere to hide is not a desirable position for Obama or for us when he cannot hide from McCain..
POW vs WUSS.. Not gonna do it for everyday Americans...Or to get a Democrat elected!
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:32 AM
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41. Like a baseball player who goes into his home run trot and then |
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finds out he only hit a triple.
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:41 AM
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47. Kinda like Hillary did for the entire past year prior to Feb 5th? |
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Wed Feb-27-08 01:56 AM
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49. I'm sorry you don't like my analogy but that's what he looked like. |
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What are you going to do if there comes a time when you can't cry Hillary did it too, or Hillary's worse? I shudder to think.
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Wed Feb-27-08 06:21 AM
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54. Isn't it nice to have at least one person running for pres who doesn't act batshit crazy? |
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