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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:44 AM
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Watch Fox News Undecideds in Ohio
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:45 AM
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1. After the debate they are picking her hands
down over Obama...she kicked his ass!!!!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:46 AM
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2. Only part of the way through the debate so far
But I am surprised at the reaction. Still, I don't trust Faux.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:46 AM
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3. I actually recognize some of these people...
It actually seems fair to me....
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:27 AM
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51. You don't trust FAUX News? They are so phoney with those
stupid questions by Sean Hannity & Comes, it makes it very difficult to watch without being embarrassed to be a human being.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:47 AM
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6. delete
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 AM by FlyingSquirrel
nt
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:47 AM
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7. Right.....
Gotta link? Anything to back that statement up?
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:49 AM
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10. It was just on...They just went to commercial
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:59 AM
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38. I don't watch Fuchs News, sorry!
:hi:
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:46 AM
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4. While I like the results
I know that these Frank Luntz things are complete horseshit.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 AM
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9. lmao
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:49 AM
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12. What's so funny?
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:53 AM
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22. Your succint dead pan delivery...it was funny
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Blue_State_Elitist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:54 AM
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25. thanks!
:)
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:55 AM
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30. Welcome
:)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:46 AM
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Unbelievable, there is a guy in the back raising his hand cuz he wants to answer the question.
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:46 AM
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5. They want a combined ticket most of all.but the majority picked Hillary
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 AM by NDambi
I still don't think she will win in a landslide..and she needs one..

edited to add: its first half evaluation
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 AM
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8. It is going to be close to 60 - 40 in Ohio for Hillary
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:49 AM
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11. Are you HIGH?
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:50 AM
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13. No just realistic....Message me on Tuesday night...
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:51 AM
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16. I'll bet my car
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:56 AM
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33. Ha Ha..you guys are comedians tonight...
:rofl:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:50 AM
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14. 60-40? you have got to be kidding, she is losing 1% a day right now. maybe 52-48 if she is lucky
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:51 AM
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17. I say she wins Ohio by no more than 8 pts if she gets it..not big enough..and even 60/40 not big
enough..she needs more..and needs Texas and few others to be a landslide..or she can't catch up..and that's not to speak of the Super delegates Obama has been racking up.. since Super Tuesday he's +26 and her net is negative.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:53 AM
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23. Only a Fox News watcher would believe something like that.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:58 AM
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36. um. no. He's only a few points behind in OH
I think he wins it. And i'm judging by Wisconsin and other states where he's been behind and then wins it. I think he wins it by 5 or 6.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:58 AM
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37. I honestly think the landslide is going to be alot
bigger than what the media is portraying
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:50 AM
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47. Why? Obama has been outperforming all polls since 2/5.
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:50 AM
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15. Ok the first mistake you made was to tell us to watch fox news
Bullshit, these ppl are actors. And Luntz is a douche. I did like how the one guy in the back SCHOOLED Hannity though when asked abuot Obamas accomplishments.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:51 AM
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18. I know some of these people actually at random...
They are not actors...Mario Singleton is in the group
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:01 AM
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40. The only way you know any of those Luntz people is if you work for Luntz, too.
Luntz puts on fraudulent shows like this, has a script, and uses actors.

He's a complete fraud, no matter what he's saying.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:52 AM
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19. The first mistake was watching FAUX News, the second was telling us
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:54 AM
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26. Frickin Larry King is on CNN, Debate repeat MSNBC..flipped to faux and saw it was about election
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:54 AM by NDambi
that's my excuse lol
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:52 AM
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20. UGH! Focus grouping the 'muslim' photo. Everyone says "non issue"
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:52 AM
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21. It's not, I think the pic is stupid and a non-issue
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:59 AM
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39. people out are smart. Yes. it is a non-issue
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:54 AM
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24. Luntz is a Fox Fixer. The whole thing is a show with actors that have speaking roles.
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:54 AM
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27. They are not, I am a Cleveland and recognize some of these people
and they are legit undecideds
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:55 AM
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29. Right
:rofl:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:55 AM
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31. Frank, is that you?
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RockyTorres Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:56 AM
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34. Who's Frank
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:57 AM
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35. Oy
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:03 AM
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41. Bullshit.
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:04 AM by TexasObserver
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:05 AM
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42. Maybe you know this guy, then?


He somehow managed to show up in 2 "randomly selected" Luntz focus groups, 4 months apart.
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:40 AM
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44. I'm Blown Away By Your Fox Screen Shots - And This Guy......
clearly it is the same person. So - these focus groups are rigged. This needs to be exposed. This is out and out fraud and manipulation by the media - and this in my mind is criminal. This needs to be investigated. Once and for all we need to put a stop to this.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:48 AM
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46. I remember that. What a fraud.
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MadAndy Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 09:40 AM
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48. Hey isn't that bill engvall from the blue collar comedy tour? eom
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:30 AM
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52. Is there a thread on this?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:55 AM
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28. This is an Obama Smear fest by Sean Hannity and Frank Luntz
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:56 AM
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32. Luntz is a fugly dork who was probably picked on in highschool
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 12:57 AM by angie_love
He can take his freak traveling sideshow of "independent" voters and shove it up his tuckus.


EDIT: I made the mistake of watching one of these focus groups a few weeks ago, and he showed the WI ad of Hillary going negative, and most of the ppl in the audience LOVED the ad, and said it was effective, they said Hillary would win the nomination. Look how right they were, Obama beat Hillary by 17pts in WI. Take these focus groups with a grain of salt.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:18 AM
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49. a pound of salt
:hi:
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:12 AM
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43. Yep - here we go again. Ohio is the new firewall. Ohio counts like no other state in the Union
because it's blue collar/full of single moms/is senior citizen central/fill-in-the-blank here, and, thus, is guaranteed to go for HRC because...just because. Ohio is more important than any other state because it goes Blue all the tim-...ooops, well, it could go Blue, and uh, did we mention it's a guaranteed firewall?

And it will keep on "counting" to the Hillary Clinton campaign right up until the moment it doesn't, which will be a week from tonight.

But do keep us filled in on all the spectacular programming you imbibe over at FOX "News"!!! :hi:
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:52 AM
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45. Here is a link to some polls in Ohio, you may want to rethink your 20 point margin


http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/ohio.html


Also you should take into account that Obama has been outperforming the polls since super tuesday. Wisconsin was supposed to be close, maybe even a win for Hillary and he won by 17%.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:22 AM
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50. Also keep in mind the polls are of people who have land lines.
Many younger Obama voters are on cell only.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:36 AM
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53. Fox News supporting Obama?.....Why?.............
I went to Fox News just out of curiosity. I was almost in shock of how they are inessense and innuendo supporting Obama! What? Fox News has always been "Conservative" biased. They even have a questionaire if Hillary should quit the race should she lose Texas and Ohio.

They are so blatantly for Obama to win the nomination, it is almost nauseating. They even have an article about Obama's statement on the military having to use other weapons in Afghanistan. No dates, no name of the Captain he talked to (Obama's camp states to protect the captain's privacy).....supposedly Obama talked to this guy in 2003/2004? He talked to him when he was a STATE Senator from Illinois? Obama did not become US Senator until 2005. This Army guy was in 10th Mountain Division that is based in New York......So am I to assume this Captain is from Illinois? And this issue only came to light and resurfaced in the Obama campaign just before the Texas debate? Republicans I guess basically think Democrats are ignorant lemmings.

First you see/read this:


http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/26/army-chief-of-staff-no-reason-to-doubt-obamas-account-of-under-equipped-platoon/

Then you see/read this:

http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/

Is Fox News becoming soft? They would have attacked Hillary with "nuclear words" if she had made such a comment........


This proves my point. They want to go up against Obama instead of Hillary. Even CNN stated that the Independents and Republicans are voting for Obama to ensure a Hillary loss. What does that tell you?

If you really want CHANGE.....ahahahA....VOTE FOX NEWS!
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 10:37 AM
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54. what all you folks are missing about this is this. Obama is winning
the red states that will never go for a democrat. But is it not strange that obama has not won any of the big blue states i e california, new york, new jersey, michigan, florida,pa.(not voted yet but hrc's)

obama better not try for a 50 state campaign or he will end up losing one of the early election night states like Pa. and we can all go to bed early.
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