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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:24 PM
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William F. Buckley Jr is dead at 82
DUers might find this interesting, though as a conservative, Buckley wouldn't be any kind of hero here. But in his day, he was something of an original. I post this out of historic and political interest, and I don't think it's in the same category as lockable OPs, but if the mods object, I will understand.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/business/media/27cnd-buckley.html



Mr. Buckley’s winningly capricious personality, replete with ten-dollar words and a darting tongue writers loved to compare with an anteater’s, hosted one of television’s longest-running programs, “Firing Line,” and founded and shepherded the influential conservative magazine, National Review.

He also found time to write more than 45 books, ranging from sailing odysseys to spy novels to celebrations of his own dashing daily life, and edit five more.

The more than 4.5 million words of his 5,600 biweekly newspaper columns, “On the Right,” would fill 45 more medium-sized books.

Mr. Buckley’s greatest achievement was making conservatism — not just electoral Republicanism, but conservatism as a system of ideas — respectable in liberal post-World War II America. He mobilized the young enthusiasts who helped nominate Barry Goldwater in 1964, and saw his dreams fulfilled when Reagan and the Bushes captured the Oval Office.

To Mr. Buckley’s enormous delight, Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., the historian, termed him “the scourge of liberalism.”

-snip

The liberal advance had begun with the New Deal, and so accelerated in the next generation that Lionel Trilling, one of America’s leading intellectuals, wrote in 1950: “In the United States at this time liberalism is not only the dominant but even the sole intellectual tradition. For it is the plain fact that there are no conservative or reactionary ideas in general circulation.”



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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:24 PM
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1. yay?
j/k
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:08 PM
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28. Classy.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:25 PM
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2. .
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:26 PM
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3. Well ... Condolences to his family, I guess.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:48 PM
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23. His son Christopher Buckley is a fine, comic writer.
I will say that.

Condolences to the family. That's all I can say about William F. Buckley.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:26 PM
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4. I have nothing nice to say about him so I won't say anything at all. n/t
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:27 PM
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5. I kind of liked him
Although his ideology is bad, he at least was thoughtful about it, good humored and intellectually honest.

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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:31 PM
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14. I thought he was Satan when I was young
But having lived long enough to compare him with today's conservatives, he at least had charm and wit. He was a formidable intellect without question.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:46 PM
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22. He became fairly bleak and depressed in his old age
I remember seeing a long interview with him on Charlie Rose a few years ago.

He sounded very pessimistic and was not having much fun. He seemed to be ready to go back then.

I don't think old age was kind to him on a personal level.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:27 PM
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6. Good. Let's hope he stays dead.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:27 PM
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7. he was a very interesting person.
I had such a love/hate thing for that guy years ago.

RIP, Mr. Buckley
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:27 PM
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8. DrugPig Limpbag is delivering the eulogy as we speak.
The only thing missing is the funeral dirge playing in the background.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:27 PM
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9. Gone to meet The Gipper
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:28 PM
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10. Of course its not to be locked. An important figure
who realized how fucked up GWB and Rove were near the end IIRC.
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:00 PM
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25. but did he have any clout then?
Wm Buckley --sorry, but :puke:
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:28 PM
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11. RIP Mr. Buckley. n/t
O8)
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:30 PM
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12. An extraordinarily intelligent and influential man. Condolences to his family.
And may his philosophy follow him.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:30 PM
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13. He was brilliant, witty, charming, unique. He was one of the intellectual giants of the media, when
one could see a Buckley, a Norman Mailer, a Gore Vidal, etc., on television, instead of the pathetic loser-class of Matthews, Scarborough, Russert, men who aren't fit to shine Buckley's shoes.

This Left-winger will miss him, for who he was and for the void his passing harshly illuminates.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:31 PM
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15. The big difference between Buckley, and even Buchanan, and the majority of the current conservatives
Is the fact that Buckley and Buchanan are principled. I think Buchanan is a bigot however I see a fair amount of principle in his approach. I don't see that with the Rush Limbaugh crowd.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:33 PM
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18. That's the thing, wndy
Buckley was large and today's models are small. And it's principles (not to mention brains) that is the difference.
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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:38 PM
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20. Yes and you and I acknowledge or recognizing his principles are not necessarily. . .
. . .embracing those principles, just acknowledging that he had them.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:58 PM
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24. Buckley was a bigot, too
In early issues of the National Review he didn't bother to temper his regard of blacks being of a lesser "race" as he did after he achieved mainstream popularity. The guy was fearsomely bright, oh-so-genteel, and yes, principled, but was still a bastard.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:14 PM
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30. Definitely a bastard, but an interesting bastard
The current bastards are just bastards.

What I would like to have seen this primary season are debates even half the quality of the old Firing Line debates.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:31 PM
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16. When I was a kid, I used to watch that PBS debate show
and think, in my naiveté, "oh, gosh! He's so smart!"

Thank god I grew up and got an education. But I didn't hate Buckley. He was wrong, and he was a bigot, but he was still better than 95% of the members of his party.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:33 PM
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17. If I may offer something positive...
Buckley was a "traditional" conservative. He really believed in smaller government. I don't believe he was ever petty or descended to the personal attacks of the Bushes, the Reagans or the other Republicans. He was polite in arguments (up until the time in 1968 when Gore Vidal insisted on taunting him, and he got rude on TV).

If he had a flaw, it was that he didn't speak out against what he knew was wrong in the Bush years.

He was what used to be called "the respected opposition." None of the current Republicans could be considered "respected," and wouldn't be fit to polish the chrome on Buckley's yacht.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:34 PM
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19. A far better icon for the right than Coulter-Limbaugh-Beck-Hannity etc etc
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Crabby Appleton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 12:44 PM
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21. RIP Bill Buckley.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:06 PM
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26. I remember seeing him once in Newport, Rhode Island
It was a few years ago. There was some yacht race going on and I was hanging out with some friends watching the race when some kind of disheveled guy in a muddy Volvo station wagon got out. He was wearing baggy khaki pants and a windbreaker with a hat and shades. He walked up near us and asked a woman in our group how the race was going. He was pretty funny and hung out for a few minutes. It was William F. Buckley! He then drove off in his muddy Volvo into the main drag there...

All the best to he and his family. While I rarely agreed with him, he was a pretty interesting person to do commentary.

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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:07 PM
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27. If only all political pundits, left and right, could behave as honorably.
I don't agree with much Buckley espoused, but I do agree with the way he espoused it, with reason and respect.
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:13 PM
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29. 35 years ago I liked him but seldom agreed with him
His well reasoned arguments for conservative ideas caused me to think more critically to support my liberal views. When I caught him on TV after sever al years of not watching him I was struck by a change in the man. He was not as clear and strong in his discussion but had become a pompas ass.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:44 PM
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31. Quibble: why is this in the Primary Election section? nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:48 PM
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32. Buckley was a neocon He wrote crazed literature for the CIA to pursue operations against Latin Ameri
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:49 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:26 PM
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33. He was a friend of John Kenneth Galbraith who
once remarked: "It's great to be with Bill Buckley, because you don't have to think. He takes a position and you automatically take the opposite and you know you are right!"
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:27 PM
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34. Like him or hate him you can't deny his accomplishments
Good journey sir.
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