Attention fellow Barack supporters: a note to the sexists among us...

[Labors of Hercules]

SHUT THE FUCK UP. You are doing nothing but hurting BOTH our candidates. :grr:

[goldcanyonaz]

1. Actually, they are helping to severe the party further. This sexism has been here since I joined.

It's rampant and celebrated by many on this forum.

[MadBadger]

4. Yep, we all revel in our sexism

[rodeodance]

9. you have clue do you. Sexism is a serious problem--not to be mocked.

Yep, we all revel in our sexism

[MadBadger]

12. Its idiotic to claim we all celebrate our sexism

[FlyingSquirrel]

17. The OP didn't say all Obama supporters did.

Just that the ones who have done so should stop.

[rodeodance]

20. yes. it is---but reading may be a problem for you--see below--no "all" in the post.

Its idiotic to claim we all celebrate our sexism

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1. Actually, they are helping to severe the party further. This sexism has been here since I joined.

It's rampant and celebrated by many on this forum.

[uppityperson]

28. There is a difference between "many" and "all". I recommend you take note of that.

It will save energy in the long run.

[Cha]

49. Literacy is a wonderful

thing.

[smiley_glad_hands]

25. Not true.

Most of the shit that has been going around lately has been a freeper campaign. DU is not a sexist site nor are 99% of the DUers that have been here as long as I have.

[stevenleser]

41. Its amazing how all men on DU have become sexist since Hillary started losing

an amazing phenomenon, that.

[Name removed]

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[Adams Wulff]

62. I'm no expert, but...

I think that was sexist.

[femrap]

65. I thought it was 'shoe on other foot.'

You know...Bob Dylan sang about it..'How does it feel?' You guys have fun electing BO without the backbone of the Dem party.

And maybe you should check out a book on patriarchy while you're learning words like sexist, OK? Your consciousness could be raised to another level...you know evolve.

[Adams Wulff]

67. OH! I get it! You're fighting fire with fire.

Yeah, and after a firefight, what is left that's worth having?

Maybe you ought to check out a book on manners, and winning friends and influencing people; because your condescension is flat out ugly.:puke:

[femrap]

70. Life isn't a popularity contest.

I find sexism and patriarchy flat out ugly so I speak out so to demonstrate it to those who are Willfully Ignorant.

I don't want friends who consider me inferior. And I'm certainly not going to treat them kindly...would you?

So go read a book on patriarchy...until such time, I have nothing to say that would open your consciousness and help you to evolve. I'm not here (believe it or not) to teach you with ladylike kid gloves. You are responsible for your enlightenment.

Don't like the fire when it's aimed at you, do you?

buh bye.

[JVS]

64. The power of our intact phalluses will prevail and we will win the erection, err I mean election

BTW, I think your posts would be better if they were not so phallocentric.

[laconicsax]

66. Funny thing about that

My fiancee, who does not post here, said the following in 2006 when I mentioned that I posted here:

"Are you serious? That place is incredibly sexist!"
I asked for clarification, and she told me about how she has read a number of blog and feminist forum posts about the rampant sexism here. I said that it probably isn't as bad as she thought, but now I'm starting to wonder.

[BOSSHOG]

2. Here, Here

Three cheers to you My Friend from a General Clark supporter.

[Cant trust em]

3. maybe many Obama supporters are assholes

but I'm happy that most of the calls for clarity are coming from the Obama camp.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

6. Obama has not cornered the market on assholes. Or sexists for that matter. nt

[ProSense]

39. Maybe you're a hypocrite! n/t

[Cant trust em]

71. I think you're missing my point

It is possible that most of the sexism against Clinton has been shown by Obama supporters. But I am happy that as an Obama supporter most of the calls for DU to come together have come from our camp. We just have a few bad apples.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

5. Thank you.

The comments about her appearance, clothing, voice, etc., are despicable. She is my least favorite of all the candidates, but if she ultimately pulls off the nomination, I will picture the look on the faces of misogynistic losers as I mark her name on the ballot. And it will make it feel better.

[Cant trust em]

7. We're not allowed to talk about clothing?

No one comments about them men's tuxes at the Oscars. Why can't we talk about the canary yellow suit that Hillary rolls out in? I guess it doesn't really work out in her favor that mens clothing is much more bland.

[femrap]

59. Let's talk male clothing....the baggy pants with the

under panties showing. Hey, could you guys sex it up a bit...wear a thong or something, would ya? And start growing some on your heads....you are not cute to pull it off...the white guys look like neo-nazis....ICK.

I'd love to see the tight jeans come back...so we could at least get an idea of what we might be getting...

And as for personal grooming...well that's a book.

[hfojvt]

13. comments about appearance are despicable? and sexist?

How so? Isn't there somebody that many here call "Chimpy". Is that somehow not a comment on appearance? Wasn't it Al Gore who always got trashed for his "earth tones"? So apparently comments about clothing, while they are really, really stupid, are not limited to one candidate.

[Labors of Hercules]

33. Comments on Clothing, not a problem... but a closeup of her knees?

Sorry, but that is blatantly sexist.

[hfojvt]

34. I didn't see or hear about that one

and I generally think comments on clothing are stupid deflections away from real issues, but apparently "fashion" is something our "journalists" have more knowledge about as opposed to fiscal policy where they are clueless and mathophobic.

[Bake]

35. I doubt Golda Meir had exactly "photogenic" knees.

Or Margaret Thatcher. Or Indira Gandhi. What is shocking is that so many other nations have had female heads of state for decades, and only now is the US anywhere close to having one -- and she is subject to the most despicable sexist crap right here on DU.

It boggles the mind.

Bake

[theHandpuppet]

8. Thank you.

There are some who have infiltrated this forum just to cause trouble and it will be vital not to play into their game.

[rodeodance]

10. Thank you for your post.

[Coexist]

11. maybe I'm bad, but if I open a thread, and it is long, with many sub-threads,

I close it - I don't even read it, so I am probably missing a lot of the worst stuff.

I hope it hasn't been too bad -I am a female, after all.

[washingdem]

14. I object to sexism, and I object to the idea that Hillary is losing because of it

Sexism is wrong. Racism is wrong. But Hillary is losing fair and square.

[cliffordu]

19. I agree completely.

Hillary is losing because she isn't the world class politician WE all thought she was.

Everything else is just smokescreen and excuses. Sexism exists in this country. If she and her political team haven't adequately prepared to fight it, then she has no one to blame but herself.

It ain't right, but it is what it is.

edited to change "the" to "her"

[Cha]

51. Yeah, I knew she wasn't world class

when she went with bush in October, 2002 but she's fooled a lot of people and your post is spot on.

Welcome to DU, cliffordu.

[cliffordu]

53. Thanks, Zidzi!!

:hi:

[Cha]

54. No problema..

:hi:

[femrap]

60. Maybe you 2 should get a room?!

And while you're there, read some books on gender roles, patriarchy and sexism. Then you could actually bring something thoughtful to the conversation.

[rodeodance]

22. Sexism is playing a role ---open your eyes please.

object to sexism, and I object to the idea that Hillary is losing because of it
Posted by washingdem


Sexism is wrong. Racism is wrong. But Hillary is losing fair and square.

[wryter2000]

29. I'm with you

These days I don't open most threads with Obama or Clinton or Hillary in the title. I opened this one because I thought it would be to deplore sexism, and happily, I wasn't disappointed.

Many thanks to the OP. :yourock:

[avrdream]

36. I have done the same thing lately.

But the subtle sexism certainly exists if you watch closely - much less so here on DU than in the MSM.

[AtomicKitten]

15. I am not responsible for how the MSM behaves.

I reject Hillary because of her policies, not her gender. And in the same breath, I also reject the fact that the Clintons have been using race as a political tool in their 'anything goes' campaign.

[Labors of Hercules]

48. I agree with you entirely.

But Kitten, you are no sexist.

[zulchzulu]

50. Agreed...

I find it laughable that if you don't support Hillary Clinton as a candidate that you may just be a sexist.

I would assume the same person who would accuse of such a thing who doesn't support Obama is clearly a racist.

It's the two color crayon set mentality...a black one and a white one.

[shadowknows69]

16. I'm glad I read selectively these days

Honestly I've missed all this sexist talk but if it is going on I agree as an Obama supporter the crap has to stop. We're winning we don't need to lower ourselves to GOP tactics.

[emilyg]

18. This Clinton supporter thanks you.

[KAZ]

21. Agree! Thanks for posting! n/t

[anonymous171]

23. I second that! nt

[smiley_glad_hands]

24. K & R

Its likely that some (or most) may not really be BO supporters but freeptards in disguise. I cannot believe that a dem would truly say some of the shit that has been spewed here lately.

04 had alot of freeptards masquerading here. It is a game to them. Do not put it past them to come here and disrupt, even more so than 04.

[Marrah_G]

26. Thank you so much Labor!

I respect your candidate also :)

[cooolandrew]

27. Exactly, there is no call for it, some just tthink before typing. Let's just attack issues. BUT

...lets acknowledge some may well be freepers watch for very low post count for a big clue.

[Occam Bandage]

30. A hearty R with my K.

[Raejeanowl]

31. Appreciate Your Awareness Of This Problem n/t

[2008]

32. "What's wrong with being sexy?"

Sorry, I couldn't resist. (That was a Christopher Guest line in This Is Spinal Tap, when the subject of sexism came up.)

[avrdream]

37. We DO have some hot candidates, huh?

Especially when compared to that sexy Republican nominee!

[ProSense]

38. Attention:

"SHUT THE FUCK UP" about shutting "the fuck up."

Give it a rest and recognize trolls. The amount of nasty racist innuendo I see on this board being condone by some of the same "amen" people in these threads is sickening.

You have no idea if these posters are true Obama supporters (any more than some of the really racist comments are truly from Hillary supporters). Their trollish comments do not reflect anything Obama stands for. So quit labeling them Obama supporters. You are the one insulting hissupporters.

I have not seen one outrage thread like this about racists comments.




Edited for clarity.

[Labors of Hercules]

42. Why don't you write one then?

Because I will not shut the fuck up about shutting the fuck up...

[ProSense]

43. Why do you think you have the right to demand that so-called "Obama supporters" shut up?

Again, do you know for a fact that they are Obama supporters?

[Labors of Hercules]

47. I don't, which is why I was quite specific in the title of the OP:

Attention fellow Barack supporters: a note to the sexists among us...

Meaning quite clearly: if you are a Barack supporter and a sexist, then shut the fuck up.

A post could speak to the Hillary supporters who pretend to be sexist Obama supporters to garner sympathy, or to the trolls among us, but since they will out themselves soon enough anyway, I didn't really see the point.

[ProSense]

61. Still, why are you throwing out straw men?

"Attention Hillary supporters: a note to the racists among you"

Is that appropriate, accusing people who you aren't sure exist of being racist or sexist?

[VotesForWomen]

40. thank you, and you're right, they're not helping O. nt

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

44. excellent post.

[Catherine Vincent]

45. Thank you, Obama supporter.

:thumbsup:

[Raejeanowl]

68. That's A Great Picture, By The Way

I'd like to see more of those, if you know what I mean.

[donheld]

46. Indeed

[Political Heretic]

52. I'm Political Heretic, and I approve this message.

:)

[Jamastiene]

55. Thank you.

Sexism, racism, homophobia are expressly forbidden on here. Let's start acting like adults instead of throwing all these wretched "isms" around.

[Unbowed]

56. What surprises me is that sexism is rampant in young people today.

You might think that it's older people, but I'm seeing a lot of misogyny in the everyday speech of kids in high school and college. We haven't made as much progress as a society as we think we have.

[femrap]

63. Remember the conscious repeal of all women's

advances started in 1980 with Raygun. That's 27 years ago!!! And the religious folks have been very busy! I read some poll where young women think it's OK for gay marriage but not abortion!!!! Total brainwashing by our TVs. Look at the sitcoms...ugly men married to women with lots of cleavage. Oh...and don't forget...the PORN! My goddess...college guys tell counselors that they would rather stay home with the computer on Friday night and jack-off...'After all real girls are just bad porn stars.'

The objectification of women has been going on for 27 years.

I am amazed that all of a sudden there are 4 strip joint with in mile radius of my house. I wish women had other jobs to my decent money these days....and the new thing that males like is pregnant women stripping. I hate our culture. It's sadly cruel.

[David Zephyr]

57. Count me with you.

And thanks for your OP! :thumbsup:

[casus belli]

69. Not to mention the unintended consequence of...

..causing the "sexist" label to be hurled about indescrimanently because the truly sexist comments and posts puts some people's "sexism meter" on overdrive. It's kind of like stepping into a sh*t storm with a nice clean white t-shirt on. It's highly unlikely anyone will leave pleased.