Who wood 'a thunk?

[geiger]

I am a woman, and to other women I have encountered lately, in a variety of settings, I have said, "I think I have, what I think what I "have," we should now add, to the DSM IV or V, of the Psychology and Psychiatric Encyclopedia, whatever edition it is now, as the "Hillary Clinton Syndrome." We (as women) consistently think we need to out-perform or be the best at whatever we set out to do. As a mother and a wife, I decided somewhere along the way(recently), you can't actually have it ALL.

Since the age of 14, I have been persecuted. I made the BIG mistake of announcing out loud to both my parents, that I wanted to go to college so that I could have a "Career." What they had in mind for me to be was a Minister's Wife, which, ironically, in a twisted role, I have taken on, ever since, supporting candidates instead of "ministers." Goes without saying, my proclamation at the age of fourteen, just didn't go over in a fundamentalist household.

And, ever since then, I have been struggling to find my place in the world.

And, tonite I am posting, not just because of the debate last nite, but because of the course of events in my own life.

Here's my question: As a woman, when and how do you express your mind and knowledge, and, when, in the face of a (still) male-dominated society, do you just shut the fuck up.

Unfortunately, Ms. Clinton's camp, for all her protesting to Obama's recently so-called negative mailings, and in the context of all her posturing recently; today I receive two fucking awful pieces, attacking her opponent, when last nite, she was still trying to "shame" her opponent for supposedly false and negative attack ads.

For the record, I have already "protested" to some of her phony indignation on the Ohio Forum. Before Tuesday's debate, as we all know, she was saying "shame on you, Barack Obama," for so-called negative attacks, which look totally factual to me, and now today, again, I get two totally negative, awful bogus pieces from her, after claiming to be "above the fray." They were despicable, despite the fact that I suffer from the Hillary Clinton syndrome, one about health care and one about energy. For Hillary to have actually gotten up there and say Democrats shouldn't be attacking Democrats, when she already knew this shit was in the wind, sorry there's no chance she's got my vote.

Now I know why I changed my vote.

[BootinUp]

1. Have you checked factcheck.org?

They find Obamas mailers misleading and unfactual.

[goldcanyonaz]

2. Yeah, but what do facts have to do with it?

[BootinUp]

4. What are we going to do

after this is over (if Hillary is not the nom)? We need some kind of big huge thread to vent all our frustations. I want a 400 post thread.!

[geiger]

3. I do my fact checking; i have two masters degrees; i'm not an idiot

[BootinUp]

5. LOL nt

[geiger]

7. so you're the idiot, is that what you are saying? fuck you

[BootinUp]

11. See #8.

and why not retract the foul language.

[goldcanyonaz]

14. Two masters degrees and that's all you could come up with...

:rofl:

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[BootinUp]

8. I run circles around people with degrees

everyday, that does not impress me too much.

[geiger]

12. I'm not much impressed with myself these days, thank you very much.

[BootinUp]

16. Lets back up a step

I am sorry for LOL'ing you. It was mean spirited.

[geiger]

18. I'm in no mood. I am sorry.

[BootinUp]

19. Have it your way at Burgerking!

[geiger]

21. bye bye

[BootinUp]

23. lol, what a shock this has been

another asshole at DU.

[Cha]

That's too bad 'cause I think

you're very impressive and I can only imagine what the posters are saying who read Ignore on my screen. :)

[emilyg]

26. gee - only 2?

[emilyg]

27. gee - only 2?

[sandnsea]

22. "not actually false"

The NAFTA mailer refers to the quote of the word "boon", which a newspaper used to describe her view of NAFTA and the Clintons forced them to retracted the word after Obama used it in the mailer. Even though quotes of news articles are used in mailers all the time, factcheck.org decided to appeal to the Clinton whine and say the quote of an article was misleading.

Factcheck.org takes on faith Hillary's claim that her subsidies will make health care affordable. There is no fact to prove that. That is the basis of their claim that Obama's mailer "strains the facts". I find that argument "strains the facts".

Your post, in any event, is erroneous as the word "unfactual" doesn't exist in the analysis at all. In fact, factcheck.org says the mailers are "not actually 'false'".

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/obama_mailings_false.html

[BootinUp]

24. Did they say they were factual? lol. nt

[FrenchieCat]

6. I can't stand the hypocracy either.....and I actually liked Hillary for quite some time!

[geiger]

9. i was looking for excuses to vote for her for months

[sandnsea]

10. Excellent

:applause: :applause:

In the words of John Kerry's mother, "Integrity Integrity Integrity".

[Cha]

13. Thanks poli speak for your

thoughts on these recent clinton scoldings and how it interacts with your history. She not only Shamed Obama she acted like those supporting him weren't worthy to vote.

[Levgreee]

15. What did the mailers say?

[geiger]

20. 1) Obama would leave 15 million behind, and 2)

Energy company employees donated over $650,000 to B.O./ and GOT WHAT THEY WANTED,

It's totally weird.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

25. The answer to your question about expressing yourself is

having the sense to not cast pearls before swine, I urge you to aways speak up.