There should be no doubt that Obama is the strongest person to run against McCain

[jenmito]

In these one-on-one debates, it's Hillary who has made "tone deaf" comments and Obama who has been the constant cool-under-pressure candidate who has shown he can quickly respond to anything thrown at him (and even turn it around on them with a smile). He's a sure thing. With Hillary, you never know "which Hillary is going to show up." And with his rapid response to McCain, it should be clear even to Hillary supporters that he can MORE than handle McCain.

[BeatleBoot]

1. Meanwhile, back in reality...

You don't know and you don't know that you don't know.

[jenmito]

13. I know what I see, and it's obvious. n/t

[damonm]

31. You and reality are obviously not on speaking terms...

[sendero]

The polls are consistent...

... in showing Obama matching against McCain about 8 points better than HRC.

And why wouldn't they - HRC and McCain are almost alike on the big issues, and given the choice between a real Republican and a fake one, voters will pick the real one every time.

[flyarm]

2. not in Florida he is not..He will lose badly in Florida! eom

[jenmito]

14. No he won't. n/t

[Orangepeel]

28. They'll both lose in Florida, unfortunately

With Crist's help, McCain will carry Central Florida and hence the state.

[Flabbergasted]

3. No doubt.

[MagsDem]

4. LMAO -- oh man you guys really need a reality pill

Do you realize Kerry was 10% ahead of Bush in national polling at this point in 2004, and that in most polls Obama is losing to McCain by several points. By my count, John friggin Kerry is a stronger candidate to run against McCain.

Buy some tickets on the reality train.

[scheming daemons]

7. Kerry wasn't as good a candidate as Obama is... and Bush was a sitting president.....

The more people see Obama, the higher his numbers go..... he's the anti-Kerry/anti-Dukakis.


You'll see.

[BeatleBoot]

9. Yeah, You'll See.

:rofl:

[Blarch]

35. Come on now.

lets be honest. There is a trend, Obama keeps getting stronger and stronger as more people learn about him. The GE will bring in millions of new voters, voting for the Democrats. Do you honestly not see he is gaining momentum ?

[BeatleBoot]

8. The Reality Train is Correct...

Kerry was kicking Bush's ass at this time, you are correct....

I'm afraid this will be a total embarrassment for the Democratic Party.

And I am a lifelong Democrat.

[MagsDem]

12. BO is already a total embarrassment for the party

as far as I'm concerned.

[scheming daemons]

15. The Clinton cicadas, like you, are a bigger embarrassment....

....and you don't hide your bigotry well.

[Seeker30]

21. Goddamn Obamapunks

Calling people racists and bigots who dont like Obama...grow the fuck up.

[anamandujano]

32. It's follow the leader. That's what Obama has done his whole campaign.

Nauseating.

[BeatleBoot]

23. And when they all roll the dice and we come up short in November...

[jenmito]

24. Bill-is that you?

:eyes:

[John Q. Citizen]

43. If you are so smart, Why is Hill losing?

[jenmito]

30. My OP was not comparing Kerry and Bush to Obama and McCain. There IS no comparison...

Obama is a MUCH more talented and charismatic person than Kerry. He not only strikes back immediately when attacked, he does it with charm.

[anamandujano]

34. He had that semi-comatose look of Kerry at the debate last night.

I couldn't put my finger on who he was reminding me of. Thank you, it was driving me crazy.

[jenmito]

37. No he didn't. He was sharp, charming, cool, calm, and collected...

unlike the ever-changing Hillary and the boring Kerry.

[anamandujano]

39. He looked like he was about to fall asleep.

[jenmito]

40. In Bizarro World.

[Catherine Vincent]

41. He did. He looked tired.

But it looked good on him.

[anamandujano]

45. Sorry, well rested but comatose, like Kerry.

[jenmito]

49. In Bizarro World.

[jenmito]

48. Bedroom eyes?

:)

[Catherine Vincent]

51. ....

:evilgrin:

[jenmito]

53. Well, it appears there's SOMETHING we can agree on!

:D

[jenmito]

16. I'm not talking about polls. I'm talking about REALITY.

[sampsonblk]

19. Kerry was awful on TV

He won every debate on the issues, but never got a bump out of either of them. No bump from his convention performance either. The more people saw and heard of him, the less they liked him.

[gravity]

20. Obama has the opposite affect on people

[jenmito]

25. He sure does!

People are drawn to him and his message.

[earthlover]

29. AT this point the Democratic party was united behind Kerry....

people here were not making pot shots agaisnt him like we see the Hillary Herd doing today.

[anamandujano]

38. The way Hillary has been treated is disgusting. Now you're whining

because we dare to bring up an issue and criticize him on it, or dispute some undeserved praise you are throwing his way.

[John Q. Citizen]

44. Yeah, a million mean people wouldn't vote for her. Everyone who doesn't vote for Hill is a big meany

Poor Hill.

She thought people would be nicer than they have been and would vote for her.

[anamandujano]

46. The MSM will turn on Obama and you will get a taste of it.

[John Q. Citizen]

54. No doubt the media will be tough on Obama. He won't try to call them all meanies though.

That's Hill's schtik.

Besides, the million meanies who did't vote for Hill will speak loudly and forcefully.

[sampsonblk]

58. Raw Numbers

The party was never behind Kerry, per se. Obama is miles ahead of where Kerry was.

[damonm]

33. Another person out of touch with reality...

"in most polls Obama is losing to McCain "

On your planet, maybe - but it's the other way around here on Earth, where most polls show Obama winning against McCain, and McCain beating Hillary.

Facts do not support you.

[Cha]

5. But, I've seen them write they'll

vote for mccain so why would they care?

[jenmito]

17. I've seen posts like that, too.

Sad.

[fujiyama]

6. Hillary just blown it

Aside from those aspects she has little control over (her tone/delivery isn't always great, labeled as divisive over the years), she blew all the advantages she had with Democrats over the years. She was the spouse of a popular ex president. She is very intelligent, sharp, and disciplined. And she seemed to have made few mistakes early on.

But it looks like she became overconfident and underestimated Obama. And later, when it started unraveling and she began slipping in the polls, the attacks became nastier and more desperate. I feel some sympathy for her rth. She doesn't strike me as a bad person and while I've said some things that weren't kind, I think she has worked hard for her constituents and is a good senator.

[BeatleBoot]

11. I heard Rush Limbaugh say the EXACT same thing this week...

It's uncanny!!!

[anamandujano]

36. LMAO!

[jenmito]

18. I agree...

and yes, it's clear she had no plan B because she planned on wrapping it up Feb. 5th. None of them expected Obama to come along.

[KoKo]

10. "Neo-Gore" is the STRONGEST...the Candidate who slays all others...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4779988

[KoKo]

22. NO! "Neo-GORE" ...He's ....THE ONE!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4779988

[ctaylors6]

26. it's all about electoral college vote. only polls I've seen on FL & OH vs mccain:

SurveyUSA 2/22, OHIO
McCain 42, Clinton 52, Und 6
McCain 44, Obama 47, Und 9

Rasmussen, 2/20, OHIO
McCain 42, Obama 41, Und 17
McCain 46, Clinton 43, Und 11

Rasmussen, 2/18 FLORIDA
McCain 49, Clinton 43, Und 8
McCain 53, Obama 37, Und 10

I personally don't think GE polls this many months out mean too much, but FWIW ...

Of course, there's still NH, Iowa, NM, WI, and good chances for Colo, MO, Nev, with VA not out of question.

[jenmito]

27. But my post isn't about polls. It's about their ability to run against McCain re: their debate

performances and ability to respond to him with good comebacks.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. No. This thread is about your opinion. nt

[Major Hogwash]

47. No, this thread is about reality.

When people wake up here and quite denying that this is true, then they will wake up to it.

[Catherine Vincent]

50. Okay. Whatever.

:eyes:

[jenmito]

52. How many times has OBAMA been booed in their one-on-one debates?

How many different personalities has Hillary presented in an attempt to "knock out" Obama? How many times has Obama gotten laughs/applause? Obama's been consistently confident in these debates while Hillary has had "clinkers" in both debates. And her supporters thought those clinkers were good lines.

[Sebass1271]

55. NATIONAL POLLS.. I would love to see

where the national poll showing McCain winning to Obama. As far as I was informed about a week ago, Obama was the better candidate to beat McLame.

Why the change?

Besides, I don't believe in those polls.. however, Obama should be careful and watch McLame. He is full of shit.. and last night he proved it when he condemmed cunnigham's comments and defended Obama.
that was a strategy to look the maverick he has always tried to portrait. Obama must not fall asleep on McCain. He needs to push his buttons so Mclame can explode.

[GeorgeGist]

56. Kind of reminds me of ...

when JFK or Bill Clinton was the cool-under-pressure candidate. McCain is simply insane.

[jenmito]

57. Yes. He has that same quality. And when he's debating McCain, I have no doubt that he'll get under

McCain's skin. And Obama will just smile while McCain goes nuts.