Hillary has 9,233,040 and he Obama has 8,956,604 votes (without Fla, Mi)

[robbedvoter]

NYT letter to the editor:
I did a quick check of the total number of votes, using data posted by CNN... without Michigan, and adding primary votes and caucus votes (I know they are not equivalent, but this shows the stupidity of the caucus system), and including Florida (where both candidates where equally placed). Hillary has 10,090,248 and Obama has 9,525,645 votes.

If we take out Florida, she has 9,233,040 and he Obama has 8,956,604.

So, why does media never tell this story?



No, so far she seems to be ahead.

If it’s democracy, let it be. "

[Perky]

1. Wrong!!!

Totals Clinton 10,036,214 Obama 10,757,638
Date State Clinton Obama
Votes Votes
3-Jan-08 Iowa 69,310 90,820
8-Jan-08 New Hampshire 112,610 105,007
15-Jan-08 Michigan
19-Jan-08 Nevada 60,690 53,550
26-Jan-08 South Carolina 141,128 295,091
29-Jan-08 Florida 857,208 569,041
5-Feb-08 Alabama 226,454 302,684
5-Feb-08 Alaska 103 302
5-Feb-08 American Samoa 163 121
5-Feb-08 Arizona 201,391 167,053
5-Feb-08 Arkansas 202,055 77,962
5-Feb-08 California 2,132,166 1,735,015
5-Feb-08 Colorado 38,387 79,344
5-Feb-08 Connecticut 164,831 179,349
5-Feb-08 Delaware 40,751 51,124
5-Feb-08 Democrats Abroad
5-Feb-08 Georgia 328,129 700,366
5-Feb-08 Idaho 3,655 16,880
5-Feb-08 Illinois 662,845 1,301,994
5-Feb-08 Kansas 9,462 27,172
5-Feb-08 Massachusetts 704,591 511,887
5-Feb-08 Minnesota 68,193 141,292
5-Feb-08 Missouri 395,287 405,284
5-Feb-08 New Jersey 602,576 492,186
5-Feb-08 New Mexico 67,921 66,829
5-Feb-08 New York 1,003,623 697,914
5-Feb-08 North Dakota 6,948 11,625
5-Feb-08 Oklahoma 228,425 130,087
5-Feb-08 Tennessee 322,599 250,730
5-Feb-08 Utah 48,719 70,373
9-Feb-08 Louisiana 136,959 220,558
9-Feb-08 Nebraska 12,374 26,296
9-Feb-08 U.S. Virgin Islands 226 1,833
9-Feb-08 Washington 61,070 133,960
10-Feb-08 Maine 17,600 25,960
12-Feb-08 District of Columbia 27,326 85,534
12-Feb-08 Maryland 273,828 439,079
12-Feb-08 Virginia 345,018 619,036
19-Feb-08 Hawaii 8,835 28,347
19-Feb-08 Wisconsin 452,757 645,954

This does not include Michigan where Obama was not on the ballot

It includes Florida.

[johnnydrama]

9. since Super Tuesday

Obama is almost up 1 million votes.

[MagsDem]

32. In Obama never never land 300K votes = 1 million

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - - Obama 10,881,617 Clinton 10,579,117

Yeah, we got it.

[Perky]

43. The Poster did say since Super Tuesday.

and THE TRUTH IS THAT IS HAS BEEN PRETTY UGLY.

He is ahead of her in Deleglates in pledged delegates,, In Popular vote and in states won, Notwithsatnding the facts, I will say again:

If she wins both Ohio and Texas we have a real horse race. I

If she loses Texas and draws in Ohio with a small margin... I think she has to deal with the financial reality and the party unity issues.

If she loses both.....She needs to understand that while she is entitaled to run the chancess of stopping or even slowing Obama's momentum are very small and the party has every right to start pressuring her to get out so that Obama can bring the party together early and start putting the GE operation in place. Were I Obama, in this scenarioI would give her the Keynote. I would suggest to her that I'd support her to be the new majority Leader and ask her to lead the effort on health care reform.

[jedreport]

2. your numbers are totally wrong

excluding mi and fl, obama leads by 1 million.

plus, if you are going to include mi and fl, why don't you include wa?

[indimuse]

3. interesting...

thank you! :)

[joeprogressive]

4. R U coming back to refute the real facts? n/t

[Window]

14. Probably not.

People who post erroneous hit and run threads, and then don't have the grace to admit they are wrong...are ______________.

At least this one is not in all caps. LOL!

[CyberPieHole]

5. Go Hillary!

:kick: and rec

[cali]

7. Barring a miracle, Hillary is done.

She's sinking in the polls everywhere and Tuesday will likely finish off her candidacy.

[MagsDem]

15. LOL -- and then all the rest of us will be required to unite

... behind the most sexist, and anti-gay bigoted campaign in the history of the democratic party? Oh what a happy fucking day. Just don't count on it. okay?

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[greguganus]

59. There's always McLame or Vader for you. n/t

[K Gardner]

73. We'll just be happy you're not able to post your vile slander here anymore.

[ihelpu2see]

77. And if she tries to seat MI and FL delegates I sign up to help Nader. His health plan

is the only one that really will work!

[johnnydrama]

8. you recommend lies

Why?

[Window]

17. Go figure.

[MagsDem]

25. Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - - Obama 10,881,617 Clinton 10,579,117

LMAO!

[hogwyld]

78. Where Obama wasn't even on the ballot in MI?

And he didn't get a chance to campaign in FL? What do you suggest next? Disavowing any SD's that don't support her eminence?

[cali]

6. bzzzt. the letter writer is a filthy liar

please see Perky's post in this thread and stop spreading lies here.

[joeprogressive]

10. Since you didn't provide a link, I will

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[MagsDem]

21. So when you count the actual number of voters...

I mean, you know, when you get rid of all that bullshit spin likes let's pretend FL didn't vote, looks like they are about even. So much for the Obama is "trouncing" her meme.

Another very interesting fact... while Obama won the WA state caucuses by 30%, when they had the primary a few weeks later, where 3x as many people voted, he won by 3%.

It's interesting that when you actually count the voters (remember them) he doesn't seem to be nearly as preferred as the media makes him out to be. These are numbers I am sure the super delegates will take into account.

[joeprogressive]

23. Instead of disputing the lie you spin? Nice try

[MagsDem]

27. Whose votes don't you want to count?

[rodeodance]

31. I trust they will instead of the media hyperbull

[Perky]

40. You need to go back to remedial math

[rodeodance]

46. and a good morning to you also.

[Tom Joad]

37. Clinton and Obama both agreed that Florida did not count, and did not campaign there.

Same for MI. Obama even removed his name from the ballot.

[joeprogressive]

11. I will kick this to provide evidence of what a liar and Hillbot look like

[yourguide]

12. Mark Penn, is that you?

[Tom Joad]

38. Several million bucks and you think this is what he will come up with? this two-bit lie?

[yourguide]

41. Considering

that crew missed the deadline for filing their delegates in PA, and even after they filed under the extended deadline and they were still short, considering they had no idea how the tx primary worked, and considering how they had as much money as Obama through the end of January but are somehow getting outspent 5 to 1 in some markets because they blew it...at this point, absolutely nothing out of that camp would shock me. Remember that lead balloon they floated "we're going after pledged delegates"...yup, even this wouldn't surprise me coming out of Mark Penn's mouth.

[0007]

71. Mark Penn wouldn't be that divisive, would he?

[joeprogressive]

13. Let's see how many recs this gets.

I will be kicking this all day long until the poster comes back and admits it is a lie.

[MagsDem]

18. I rec'ed it just for that alone

Here's reality -- the supposed "trouncing" of Clinton by Obama, well, just isn't.

[joeprogressive]

20. Thanks, we want the lies on the greatest page

[MagsDem]

22. You posted a link that shows reality

Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)* - - Obama 10,881,617 Clinton 10,579,117

LOL -- what happened to the trouncing? Too fucking funny. And that's without counting the WA primary votes.

[joeprogressive]

26. Please provide an ounce of proof that I ever said anything

about a trouncing. The link clearly shows the original post was a lie. Stick to the facts and quit spinning. As far as a trouncing it is becoming one.

[MagsDem]

29. LOL -- yeah, Obamabots haven't pretended he was trouncing her

Not at all. No, never. LMAO!

[karynnj]

35. The WA primary voters INCREASE the margin

Counting MI is ridiculous because he was not on the ballot following the request of the party. It also says that Maine, Iowa and Nevada weren't included because there were no released official counts - the combination here increases the spread as well - even though HRC won NV by about 5%.

[Dawgs]

52. FL & MI don't count, you idiot.

[joeprogressive]

16. k/r

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[liberal N proud]

28. Regardless of how you post the numbers or who has the most...

9% difference in their totals is still close.

What matters though are the number of Delegates each candidate has
Obama: 1377
Clinton: 1279

Still 7% difference

Then you have to look a the math, how many delegates are left and can Clinton still gain enough to beat Obama. It is like trailing the football game by 8 points with 6 minutes left to play.

[crispini]

39. pssst... read the thread

:hi:

[Vinca]

30. That must be one of those Norm Coleman letters. LOL. nt

[rodeodance]

33. REC

[Perky]

42. ROFL you are recommending your own bullshit OP... You apparently can not add or tell the truth

[rodeodance]

49. And you like to toss insults.

[alcibiades_mystery]

45. You recommend something you know to be patently false?

You're off the deep end, ethics-wise.

[rodeodance]

48. Thank you for your concern

[alcibiades_mystery]

50. I'm not the one trumpeting outright falsehoods

That would be YOU. You know the OP is false. It is obviously and demonstrably false. So why recommend? Because you really really want to believe it. That's sad.

[Political Heretic]

57. It's good to know I pick the right people to ignore.

The "flat-earth" type person you are arguing with is "Ignored" to me.

[Occam Bandage]

54. LMAO. Good luck rec'ing your own OP. A liar on two fronts.

[Tom Joad]

34. What bullshit! put the kool-aid down, and look at reality.

[Tom Joad]

36. Look at the real numbers, buddy.

First, the numbers right at Super Tuesday, before Clinton's 11 state loss
Clinton 48.97% (6,967,302)
Obama 48.04% (6,835,447)
(nearly a tie, as you see, with Clinton slightly ahead)

Here it is as of Feb 13th.
Obama 9,373,334 50%
Clinton 8,674,779 46%
Others 726,095 4%

Things have since gotten worse for Clinton. for cryin' out loud.
Reality, it's not just for breakfast anymore.

[Unsane]

44. Where'd he go lol?

[alcibiades_mystery]

47. robbedvoter's probably hoping this embarrassment will go away

It's humiliating, I'm sure.

[Pryderi]

51. He's got the Big MO-bama...:)

[joeprogressive]

53. Kicked all day long. n/t

[Political Heretic]

55. LOL he had the numbers almost exactly backward and is prob. too embarassed to come back. :P

[joeprogressive]

56. Can someone put Robbedvoter on a milk carton

I think he went missing

[Political Heretic]

58. Baghdad Bob? Is that you?

Clinton is winning!
Obama is in retreat!
The people are flocking to her cause!

[greguganus]

61. Kicking for Baghdad Bob. n/t

[joeprogressive]

60. kicked.....can someone take over for awhile I have to go to a meeting

We have to let this one live on for a few days.

[greguganus]

62. I hate meetings! (kick) n/t

[joeprogressive]

67. Most that I go to are good because they are about health care access

But many are pointless and a waste of time.

[Perky]

64. Better a meeting then a dentist...that is whaere I am headed now.

[joeprogressive]

66. Sorry to hear that, hope it isn't too painful.

I had extensive work done last year but all is well now. I can empathize.

[Kittycat]

63. Your OP is Misleading. This is not the complete contest.

I'm going to alert, since you refuse to correct your OP, and obviously want to mislead. Not to mention you didn't post a link to your source.

[joeprogressive]

65. good thing meetings never start on time

robbedvoter, please check in. we are worried about you.

[Coexist]

68. Popular Vote Total w/Mich and FL - O - 10,881,617 F - 10,579,117

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[bunnies]

69. NYT: Letters from Idiots and Liars section.

what a dunce.

[joeprogressive]

70. Okay, now I am worried

Someone has abducted robbedvoter.

[joeprogressive]

72. any new numbers yet from robbed voter?

[joeprogressive]

74. kicked n/t

[Umbram]

75. Which stage of grief is disassociation with reality? (nt)

[joeprogressive]

76. Anyone see this one lately? n/t

[ProSense]

79. I see you're having fun with numbers! Here's a real laugh:

"The Daily Show" Reports From "Anti-Hillary HQ" To Explain Press Bias

[HeraldSquare212]

80. Even the premise admits caucuses and primaries are not equivalent.

It's almost as if the OP is saying, HRC doesn't approve of cauceses (even though the relevant state parties do), and therefore we won't participate or acknowledge the results. State parties are Democratic organizations, and should be respected, except where they violate rules enacted by democratic votes of the national party.