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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:51 PM
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NAFTA Rhetoric Against Obama From Canadian CTV: IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 12:56 PM by babylonsister
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NAFTA Rhetoric? 'It Didn't Happen'


February 28, 2008 12:09 PM

ABC News' Jennifer Parker Reports: A senior Canadian Embassy official in Washington, D.C. disputes a report by the CTV Canadian television network that an Obama campaign staffer telephoned Michael Wilson, Canada's ambassador to the United States, to reassure him that campaign rhetoric against NAFTA should not be taken seriously.

"It didn't happen," said Roy Norton, who heads up the congressional, public and intergovernmental affairs portfolio for the Canadian embassy.

Norton said none of the three campaigns for Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Hillary Clinton, or Sen. John McCain have contacted the embassy.

"Neither before the Ohio debate nor since has any of the U.S. presidential campaigns called Ambassador Wilson or the Canadian embassy to raise NAFTA," he said.

CTV reported last night that two unnamed Canadian sources said a "senior member" of Obama's campaign team called Wilson in the last month to warn him that Obama would be ratcheting up rhetoric against the North American Free Trade Agreement, but that he should "not be worried about what Obama says about NAFTA" and "Its just campaign rhetoric...Its not serious."

MORE...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/canadian-embass.html

But who cares about the truth?

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Hillary-Backing Union Chief Hits Obama Over Canadian NAFTA Story
By Greg Sargent - February 28, 2008, 12:22PM

A key labor surrogate for Hillary in Ohio, International Association of Machinists president Tom Buffenbarger, has now opened fire on Obama over the Canadian TV report suggesting that a senior Obama official privately assured a Canadian official that Obama's anti-NAFTA stump talk was just "campaign rhetoric."

From an IAM press release...

"I am appalled but not surprised by this report," said IAM International President Tom Buffenbarger. "Working families cannot trust a candidate who telegraphs his real position to a foreign government and then dissembles in a nationally televised debate."

The Obama campaign has released a statement that didn't address whether the conversation had happened but did say that the report inaccurately represented Obama's position on NAFTA. NAFTA is a highly-charged issue in Ohio. So a report like this -- and efforts like this one by Buffenbarger to keep the story going -- could conceivably have an impact on the primary, which is only days away.

Separately, it's worth keeping in mind that Buffenbarger apparently has little difficulty speaking his mind when it comes to Obama. He recently denounced Obama supporters as "latte-drinking, Prius- driving, Birkenstock-wearing, trust fund babies" and said that Obama wouldn't "last a round against the Republican attack machine."


http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillarybacking_union_chief_hit.php
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:52 PM
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1. Yeah, I kinda figured.
Hillary people won't let this report stop them, though.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:54 PM
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2. What a *shocker* that Barfenburger is trying' to make hay out of it.
:puke:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:56 PM
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3. Gee, a senior embassy official is suddenly the most trustworthy person in
Canada...believe who you want to believe, just don't try and definitively say that since ONLY ONE PERSON denies what someone else says it's the freaking truth...gmafb.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:57 PM
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4. I'll put my trust there vs. a Bush/war enabler. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 12:59 PM
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5. Nice...anybody who supports your view is right, anyone who doesn't can't be
believed...there are liars on both sides of the aisles.

BTW...I saw BO supporters saying BO was smart to do this, compared it to diplomacy...deal with that one...I dares ya!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:02 PM
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6. I still believe there's some degree of truth to the story. Much like with Rathergate,
I'm guessing this is an issue of a fundamental truth being distilled into a false event. Neither candidate is as anti-NAFTA as they're trying to claim, both have likely sent out feelers to foreign leaders signifying this, and someone made up a story to reflect the fact.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:04 PM
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8. As far as I'm concerned, it's not really an issue...
...it's just he said/she said at this point...I doubt anyone outside of DU is even paying attention to this...oh, maybe the RNC...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:02 PM
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7. I can only speak for myself, and I never said that.
Google Michael Wilson and look for connections to the dim one and war. This could have as easily happened to Clinton, and I'd be just as defensive. It stinks to high heaven. You go ahead and condone it; I won't.
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GainesT1958 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:04 PM
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9. Isn't that the same union pres. who thundered on about...
Those "Latte-drinkin', Prius-drivin', Birkenstock-wearin' trust-fund-babies" voting for Obama?:eyes:

Figures he'd try to make something of it. Saw the YouTube vid of the CTV News report from last night. Didn't like the anchor's talk about "campaign bluster"; sounded like he could have worked for FOX.:mad:

Wonder who started this one? I understand that Ambassador Wilson (the Canadian one to the U.S.; not Joe as in Valerie Plame's husband) was one of the principal Canadian negotiators of NAFTA under Brian Mulrooney's Tory government, and is also friends with the Clintons. Current PM Stephen Harper also is a staunch NAFTA supporter. Hmmmm...:eyes:

B-)

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:12 PM
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10. The 1st Story Should be in LBN. n/t
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:13 PM
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11. Obama hasn't denied it.
That's all I need to know.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:17 PM
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12. Yes, he has, but you don't care about learning the truth, you prefer to assume:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/obama_denies_canadian_report_a.php

Obama Camp Calls Canadian TV Report "Inaccurate"
By Greg Sargent - February 28, 2008, 11:32AM

The Obama campaign has formally responded to the report on Canadian TV saying that a Canadian official claims a senior Obama person privately told him that Obama's anti-NAFTA talk on the stump was just "campaign rhetoric."

From Obama spokesperson Bill Burton:

“The news reports on Obama's position on NAFTA are inaccurate and in no way represent Senator Obama’s consistent position on trade. When Senator Obama says that he will forcefully act to make NAFTA a better deal for American workers, he means it. Both Canada and Mexico should know that, as president, Barack Obama will do what it takes to create and protect American jobs and strengthen the American economy -- that includes amending NAFTA to include labor and environmental standards. We are currently reaching out to the Canadian embassy to correct this inaccuracy."

It will be interesting to see whether the Ohio press -- not to mention the big news orgs -- run with the story despite the denial.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:33 PM
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13. Aha, a non-denial
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 01:38 PM by Marie26
Where does that statement deny the report? There's some very careful parsing of words there - why doesn't he just say that no one from the Obama campaign contacted the Canadian embassy? It gives the impression of a denial, while not actually doing so. It doesn't deny calling the Canadian embassy anywhere. It just says that they'll talk to the embassy about correcting "inaccuracies". If you diagram the sentence, the "inaccuracy" seems to refer to the media's mischaracterization of his NAFTA position - it's a strawman. The Obama camp then states strongly that they will fight for American workers, etc. The statement doesn't refer to the actual subject of the article at all; instead they do a bait & switch to change the topic, and then deny that which he has not been accused of. You can see that, right? That's classic. IIRC, Obama did the same thing when first confronted w/the report - stating that he won't break his promises, while never specifically denying the call.
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caseycoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:36 PM
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14. That's what I figured....
all these conveniently un-named staffers.

Things like this will be happening more & more to both candidates as the right wingers get warmed up. We are in for a battle royal!
Between Diebold, lying repubs & repub voter intimidation they will be happy to screw us up any way they can. Let's not forget that.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:43 PM
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15. Rec! I knew it was shit from word one

CTV should be ashamed they know better

than to run unsubstantiated bullshit.

You can reach CTV News here

newsonline@ctv.ca

and here

news@ctv.ca

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:08 PM
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16. I lived in Canada for 22 years..CTV is extremely credible!
and remember in one debate Obama said ..not quoted here..but all politicians are or have their hands dirty..

I will stick with what i know of CTV they would not report it unless they had credible sources.

fly
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:01 PM
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18. Actually, CTV used to be very credible, not so much any more
They are part of the Global conglomerate, lean to the right (conservative) side now. It has been quite disappointing to this Canadian. They work very hard to prop up our own little emperor, harper, at every opportunity, imo.

CBC is the network with credibility and a neutral take on issues, political and otherwise.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:37 PM
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17. Anybody who says he will "amend" NAFTA to "include labor and environmental
protections," rather than saying that he will act to rescind NAFTA on Day One of his administration, and start over with regard to U.S. trade policy, leaves himself open to this charge--the charge of lying.

Does Obama think that the American people have NO MEMORY? Bill Clinton promised "labor and environmental protections" in NAFTA in his 1992 campaign, and did exactly the opposite--signed it with NO such protections--once in office. Personally, I remember this well. It's WHY I voted for him, dupe that I was. And I don't think I was all that a-typical of voters at the time. It was a major issue in the campaign. And we fell for warm-fuzzy assurances. There was also the rather major problem that we had NO CHOICE. Time magazine put Clinton on its cover as the next President of the United States well before most primaries had occurred. Our rotten to the core political/corporate establishment had chosen him as their "free trade" (global corporate piracy) champion, and that was that. So whether or not we had wise little voices in our heads, whispering, "he's lying, he's lying, he's lying," didn't matter. It came down to Clinton vs. Oil Cartel/CIA. What's to choose? Funny how it turns out that Clinton was better for the Oil Cartel than Bush-I could have been. "Free trade" requires LOTS OF OIL. And grabbing Iraq's oil was not yet ripened on the tree.

Anyway, dog meat to the masses--"labor and environmental protections"! Yeah, right. Tell us another one.

The same with Hillary Clinton, as with Obama--although there is somewhat more reason to believe that her promises on "labor and environmental protections" in NAFTA are total bullshit. Obama is more of an unknown (although he voted for the Peru "free trade" deal, did he not?). ARE THEY LYING? It is highly likely that Clinton is. And it is a bit less likely that Obama is--but still in the likely category. So, when some report like this occurs--whether it's true or not (and god knows, these days, what you can believe in this corporate-run, delusional political atmosphere)--it can have cache with the voters. And that is especially true if Obama is NOT LYING. Because there's your motive for this "anonymous" story.

In fact, this story--which smells of psyops--makes little sense if Obama is NOT LYING, that is, if he really intends to promote "labor and environmental protections." What better way to plant doubts in some voters minds--with a story that he cannot prove wrong (because the supposed Obama aid remains anonymous)?

But my point is that, if Obama had a strong, unassailable--un-Bill-Clinton-like--position on NAFTA, he would be much less vulnerable to such a story. That his position IS Bill Clinton-like makes him less trustworthy.

One more point: If the contact with the Canadian embassy has any truth to it at all, the anonymity of the campaign aid and the Canadians in the embassy who supposedly received the call, makes it impossible to know what the nuances of the conversation may have been. For instance, there is a big difference in the impacts of Canada-US trade and the impacts of Latin America-US trade. In the former, the US is dealing with a country that has stronger labor protections in place than, say, the rightwing-run Mexico. The incentive of avoiding labor protections is far less. Maybe THIS was the campaign worker's point (if the conversation took place at all)--that Obama wasn't so concerned about Canada-US trade--that it was the much more uneven situation of Latin American vs US labor that was his concern. That would be less damning--in fact, not really damning at all. But we can't know, because it's all anonymous.

If Obama were stronger, more definitive, more clearly a champion of the majority, and more uncompromising about reform, charges like this would be laughed at. They would roll right off the voters' backs. As it is, he is attackable this way--by psyops, by stealth, by lies, by "swift-boating." He is, however, in a different political situation then Kerry (a better one), and has much more enthusiastic grass roots support, because of his early stand against the war. He will probably weather it (and more)--and maybe deserves to (hard to know).

But if I were his advisers, I would recommend stronger language--such as a "total re-thinking of NAFTA and 'free trade'"--not just amending existing agreements, but strongly re-asserting the "sovereignty of the people" in relation to global corporations, re-aligning the U.S. in relation to the WTO and the World Bank and a host of other global corporate financial weapons against workers and the poor. Similarly, I would recommend stronger language about the war--regarding our "military-industrial complex" dependence on big military budgets, and Bushite "doctrines"--such as Bush's announcement of a policy of pre-emptive war, at West Point, in 2002, in violation of our laws and everything we hold dear--and regarding our dependence on oil, the real driver of the Iraq War. He would double his votes, I swear. And then we would truly be able to outvote the machines.

We need to learn to analyze corporate-propagated "news" flaps like this quickly and thoroughly. That is what I'm trying to do here. We know psyops are at work. Don't just let psyops hand grenades fall amongst us "out of nowhere," and run like hell to get out of the way. Be faster at grasping what it is (IS it psyops?), whether it's fake or real, whether it matters even if it is real (if this thing is true--that an AIDE said this--does that mean I should vote for Clinton?), who benefits from it, and who lobbed it--and be vigilant (as vigilant as we can be) about investigating the latter questions. Who benefits? Who lobbed it?

In short, take NOTHING that you read/see in the corporate "news" monopolies as true. Dig deeper. Read between the lines. Think hard. And then think harder. What is really going on here? And what does it have to do with the American people taking their country back?
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