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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:24 PM
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Somerby: If the RNC gets its way, Obama is going to get “Dukakised”
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 01:25 PM by BurtWorm

For the record: I voted for Obama, expect him to win the nomination, and will work for his election in the fall (or HRC's if she pulls out a victory). But I agree with Bob Somerby of Daily Howler that it is essential for Dems to be prepared for the sleaze the GOP is whipping up right now to turn Obama into an "alien presence," as Somerby so aptly puts it. No head in the sands this time, Dems. This is going to be an ugly, bloody war. We have to be ready to draw blood ourselves, metaphorically speaking.

In my opinion, from now till November, job 1 is making the Dem candidates deeply familiar and comfortable presences to the American people. Job 2 is demolishing GOP attacks in the cradle. Job 3 is turning their tactics back on them. By November, may the American people view John McCain as the unhinged, lying, sleazy, dried-up, washed-up, cowardly zero he has the full potential of becoming.




http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh022708.shtml

If the RNC gets its way, Obama is going to get “Dukakised” in the coming months. Our guess: In the main, he will not be treated as a liar/flip-flopper/reinventer, as Clinton, Gore and Kerry were treated. Instead, he’ll be treated as an unsettling alien presence, much as Dukakis was played (except more so). The Democratic Party has never nominated a more decent person than Michael Dukakis. But by the time the RNC got through, he was a person with a funny name and olive skin who: 1) “had a problem with the pledge of allegiance;” 2) looked funny riding around in a tank; 3) may have had some sort of mental illness (that was voiced by Reagan himself); 4) was “a card-carrying member of the ACLU;” and 5) had released Willie Horton. Almost surely, similar themes will be voiced against Obama—and yes, there’s material to work with. (The fact that you don’t care about some concern doesn’t mean it isn’t a danger.) In the process, you’re going to hear a lot about Obama’s minister, Jeremiah Wright. Josh didn’t notice, but that’s where Russert ended up with his questions about Farrakhan. And this is a potential problem in the fall, although Josh doesn’t seem to know this. (What a gigantic surprise! This is the man who thought that Gore had everything going for him!)

Wright has said and done various things that are, for better or worse, substantially out of the mainstream. Personally, we don’t care about these matters, but some other voters most likely will—depending on how these matters are treated. Obama handled Russert’s questions extremely well last night (although Russert didn’t push the Wright angle as hard as others will). But liberals and progressives need to get their own thoughts together about these questions. Unless we don’t care who wins.

Yelling race/race/race has been very effective in this year’s Democratic campaign. A long string of hacks and pander-bears turned the Clintons into slobbering racists; this approach played a significant role in the campaign’s turn-around. But almost surely, that approach will work less well in the general election. When questions are raised about Obama’s (fairly close) relationship with Wright, it won’t be helpful to play the race card. Dems will need more skillful answers—if we want to win.

...

We need to plan for what is to come. On this matter, Josh displayed a bit of a tin ear last night. Then again, people like Josh were just so brilliant during the War Against Gore—and later, again, on the road to Iraq! Given the gentleman’s endless clairvoyance, why would anyone listen to blundering screeds from people like us—from people who understood the shape of Campaign 2000 on the very day it began? Why not go with a boy like Josh, who was till pretending he didn’t know squat in the summer of 2002? Josh was playing you for fools at that time—just as he did with Dear Matt.


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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:28 PM
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1. Obama can handle anything. No doubt about it.
The GOP is a national joke and their candidate is a first class loser. I don't think we have to worry much about their trash talk, because Americans already know that's all they have.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. they ALL want Hillary
as the democratic nominee-and we all know why-well those of us who are willing to admit the truth anyway-there are a LOT of Clinton supporters here who have too much invested emotionally in her to see truth
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:15 PM
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85. "The truth" that was written with millions of Repuke dollars and thousands of hours of air time.
Good night and good luck.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. Obamites are in serious denial about how this campaign will go if Obama is the nominee
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:39 PM
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12. Really? What do you base that accusation on? nt
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:39 PM
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13. You don't think they'll go easier on HRC, do you?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:51 PM
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31. No but we know the Clintons can successfully fight back against the rethug machine
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
41. Based on what?
Bill got impeached for crying out loud.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #31
42. Not sure putting congress in the line of fire is "fighting back".
It took until 2006 to get it back. I for one, would like to keep it for a while this time.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #31
86. Yeah, when Perot is in the race. n/t
n/t
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #31
97. Hillary's performance in the last two debates demonstrated the opposite.
She went up against Obama's verbal jiu-jitsu and got thrown multiple times. If she can't beat Obama in the primary debates, how's she going to fare against the GOP poo-flinging brigades?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:45 PM
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24. Don't be so sure and overconfident! I guarantee you there were millions of
Dems who would NEVER have believed the biggest thing that Kerrry would have to fight against would be his war record!

For weeks, I've been critizing the Hillary haters for accusing her of damaging Barack, and that if they think any of what they heard was harmful, WAIT to see what the Pubs throw at him! What Hillary has done & said is going to look less annoying than a mosquito bite!

ALL of us need to keep our eyes & ears open and be alert for ANYTHING disparaging against our candidate, and have a plan on how to smash it instantly!
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #24
35. Confidence, not overconfidence.
He has handled everything team Clinton and McCain have thrown at him with ease. McCain has many more serious negatives than Hillary and Obama combined.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #35
50. Check my post #46. It WILL happen again! n/t
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #1
70. that would be a fine line to walk. The alienness they would be talking
about is color. racism on this open a level will be a terrible blowback for them. this isn't 1923.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:31 PM
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2. I think the RNC are worried that Obama might attack them
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
15. I think the goperverts are more
than a little worried.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #15
39. They have good reason to be more than a little worried.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:31 PM
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3. Of course, they will try.
Count on it. It's their MO.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:32 PM
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4. Obama will eat their lunch
They can try to "Dukakise" him if they want but there is one small problem with that: He ain't Dukakis.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:34 PM
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9. Based on what?
Obama has never faced the rethug machine. Dukakis was a successful governor for over a decade in a major state. Obama still hasn't been able to crush the radical Muslim smear despite the whispering campaign having been in existence for almost a year now.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:38 PM
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11. Based on the way he's eaten Hillary Clinton's lunch
She hasn't laid a glove on him without getting damaged even worse herself. And this has been a fight between two Democrats.

Now consider the fact that people are just fucking sick of Repukes and their bullshit. I don't see McCain making any inroads with this strategy.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:48 PM
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25. You mean like how Dukakis crushed Jackson, Gore, Gephardt, and Simon?
Dukakis beat them all convincingly. Obama is ahead 50-46 in the popular vote minus Florida. With Florida the lead is cut to 3.

McCain is unlikely to win because the last 7 years have been a disaster but Obama is the one candidate who gives him a fighting chance because of the security card.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:50 PM
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27. No. Dukakis won the primary. Obama is crushing every attack he receives
I'm talking about how Obama is dealing with Hillary's negative campaigning. Dukakis did not have the capacity to effectively counter GHWB's bullshit. Obama does.

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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #27
32. Dukakis crushed Gore's Willie Horton attack in the primary. What happened in the general?
Dukakis had several strong challengers. Obama had two and one was gone after four states.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:54 PM
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34. Oh right -- I think I saw that at one of the 30,000-people Dukakis rallies
:eyes:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #34
43. What was his popular vote margin? 50-46?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:29 PM
Response to Reply #43
73. Your concern is noted.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #11
45. ROTFLMAO!
You owe me a monitor.


:rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #11
76. Obama will figure out how
go around the m$$$m too.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. Based on the number of people who've come out to vote...
...for Clinton or Obama, versus the Republican candidates. Either one will win over whatever faux-* the GOP runs.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:50 PM
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26. Just like Dukakis!
How'd he do in the general? Obama is vulnerable on the same fronts Dukakis (i.e. patriotism, with Duke it was the pledge of allegience bill with obama it is the lapel pin; Dukakis had Willie Horton, Obama has William Ayrers) was and then some. Dukakis didn't have to clear the experience, for one, hurdle given his record as a longtime governor of a major state.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #26
64. Mike sat in his hotel room for 6 months and never defended himself
Thanks for your concern.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #9
19. whisper whisper jackson_dem
You're perpetuating the RW myth. Happy?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:51 PM
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29. It isn't a myth but a fact that Obama has never faced the rethug machine
Thus far the rethug machine has actually helped him in his battle with Hillary and to a lesser extent Edwards.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:53 PM
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33. In what way will the Rethugs be worse than the Clinton machine?
You think it will HELP them to be tied to a president with 19% approval? Or that Democratic turnout is doubling or tripling Rethug turnout?

Obama is not Dukakis. And the Rethugs of 2008 are not the Rethugs of 20 years ago.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #33
47. The msm will be working in concert with the rethug machine in the general, as usual
With the Clinton attacks the msm has actually been working on Obama's behalf.

Dukakis had experience, Obama doesn't so that is a big difference between the two. Obama is as weak as Dukakis. Look at how often Edwards hammered at Clinton during the debates while Obama made lame veiled attacks on her. Reportedly Edwards once walked over to Obama in the middle of a debate and urged him to fight...
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #47
74. Your concern is noted.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #29
40. He's already facing it in THIS election
and he has deflected everything with ease.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #40
48. Just like President Dukakis did in the primaries!
:patriot:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #48
62. Yea, just like Dukakis
:eyes:

Why are you so anti-Democrat anyway? It's almost as if you have an agenda.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:08 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Critical of St. Obama means anti-Democrat? Is that like hating freedom if you opose W's policies?
Another example of why many folks see the Obama "movement for change" (TM David Axlerod) as a cult...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #65
67. No, critical of you and your posts over the past month.
You constantly try to derail our efforts to get a Democrat in office.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #67
88. Typical cultist: you are either with us or against us
I am supporting Hill because I want to get a Democrat in office. Obama is the rethug's only hope. I am 24. I'll put what I have done for the party at my age up against any internet hero...
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:30 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. I'm not a cultist. What the hell are you talking about?
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #9
20. Yeah Dukakis was a great candidate
What was I thinking? Now excuse me while I go visit the George McGovern Presidential Library.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #20
36. He soundly beat the guy in your avatar didn't he?
He won in a far more convincing manner than Obama's 50-46 popular vote lead. Dukakis also led the sacred trial heat polls by 17, not 4-5 like Obama. Dukakis had a decade of experience as governor of a major state and a strong record of success, not slogans. Yet he still lost badly because he got swiftboated on Horton and the pledge of allegiance/patriotism issue.
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #36
55. If that is your opinion
That Michael Dukakis was a great campaigner and a great candidate, you my friend are proof that rank and file Democrats need to get out of the house more often and visit us here in the real world.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #55
60. He crushed Gore didn't he, despite Gore having the DLC behind him, right?
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sueragingroz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:41 PM
Response to Reply #36
98. folks like to forget history when it's inconvenient
I wouldn't bother trying to engage on this issue.





A picture is a thousand words and can be used over and over and over again....

Like i've said countless times... they are holding back and waiting until Hillary is officially out.
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:51 PM
Response to Reply #9
30. With As Much Time You Spend On DU Why Haven't You Donated To Our Wonderful Forum?
Your bandwidth use is extraordinary. Have a blessed day! :hi:
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:54 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. It's called debt
Would you like to donate on my behalf?
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
52. If You Support The Dem Nominee In The GE I Will
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #9
57. the Clinton machine is pretty formidable too
and he faced that. Surprised the heck out of me that he survived super Tuesday.
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:32 PM
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5. Other Democrats can't sit on their collective ass this time.
There were only a few Democrats on TV who stood up for Kerry against the Swiftboat liars. ALL of the Democrats need to push back against any swiftboat attempts from the repubs. I want to hear OUTRAGE from the Democrats in Congress when the repubs question Obama's patriotism or any other stupid smear.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #5
14. Damn straight.
Let this be the season of Dems sticking together. This is too important to fuck up.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:34 PM
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8. Dukakis faced the VP who served with a popular President for eight years
McCain has allied himself with a guy who has 19% approval ratings.

Big difference.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #8
10. Yes but McCain has personal popularity, Bush 41 didn't
Dukakis led by 17 points in the head to head polls that Obamites love to invoke these days that show Obama runnin 4-5 points better than Hillary before the rethugs have laid a glove on him.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:41 PM
Response to Reply #10
18. Oh, you again...Obama = Dukakis, we know
Here's Dukakis' nominating speech at the '88 convention. Fasten your seatbelt, you're in for the rhetorical ride of your life:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkAN4DQGmwk

Trust me, this election will be about something larger than "competence."
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
54. President William Jennings Bryan's speeches are the stuff of legend too
Oh wait...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #10
21. So, what do you suggest?
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 01:43 PM by Dawgs
Go with the other Democrat? The one that can't beat the one who you say will lose to McCain? The one that polls worst against McCain? The one that voted for the war like McCain did?

Or, are you pulling for McCain because yours has pretty much lost?
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #21
56. The Clintons have beaten the rethug machine for years. They will do it again if we give them a chanc
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:13 PM
Response to Reply #56
68. It's looking a little late for the party to take your advice.
They're not doing so hot against the forces against them lately, it seems. Have they lost their touch, or just in the middle of a slump?
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:41 PM
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16. Gore was a VP who served with a popular president for eight years
and he got "Dukakised" too. It's not the GOP that does the sliming - it's the mainstream press that is following the GOP line that does the sliming.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:43 PM
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22. Gore won.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #22
46. But he's NOT in the WH, is he? What makes you think dirty, rotten
tactics can't work again? NO, I didn't list each one...they're too many of them, but certainly at the top of the list are purging voter roles (which the Pubs have already called for in 08), non-functioning DRE machines with no way to recount (they still exist), 527 Swiftboaters (who I read have already aquired anti-Obama domain names). Add to those the fact that IT DOES make a lot of people uncomfortable that his middle name is Hussane, that his father was a Muslim, and yes, even the fact that he's black!

This election is in NO WAY going to be anything less than a verbal bloody war, and the candidate CANNOT beat them all back without STRONG supporters fighting WITH HIM every minute of every day until November 5th! And if there's a vote rigging fight, then those same supporters will have to continue until we WIN!
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #46
75. As opposed to your candidate, who is personally despised
or at least considered unfavorably by about 45% of the population from the word go.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #75
81. You obviously missed my point! I voted for Barack! I'm NOT
talking about Hillary or Barack here, I'm talking about any Dem candidate (most likely Obama) and the entire Pub fighting machine!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:43 PM
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23. He was so popular we couldn't even mention him on the campaign trail
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 06:28 PM
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89. that's complete bullshit - you don't know what you are talking about
Clinton was very popular by the time his term was ending. It was the morons in the Gore campaign (yeah the ones who decided to pick Lieberman for VP) who decided to run away from Clinton in order to appease the Beltway pundit class (who despised Clinton).

If Gore had embraced Clinton and not tried to distance himself he'd be making plans for his Prez library right now.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:50 PM
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28. In order for Obama to be Dukakised, he'd have to be Dukakis.
Not going to happen. Obama will be able to take whatever they dish and handle it. His immediate response to McCain yesterday was something I've been wanting Dems to do for a long time - call them on their shit. Kerry didn't do it in 2004 and look what happened to him. If anyone thinks Obama is not a fighter and won't stand up for himself, they're in for a surprise.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:59 PM
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49. He can't do it alone, is my point.
I see he's a fighter. He handles bullshit like what Russert threw at him extremely well. But the GOP is not going to let up. Fox is not going to let up. Drudge will not let up. CNN, MSNBC, The NY Times, WaPo, Newsweek, Maureen Dowd, etc., etc., etc. are not going to let up. They all have to be hit hard from now until the vote is certified.

As an example of what's in the pipeline--I mean, what is even NOW spewing out of the pipeline:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/02/fox_news_falsel.php

Fox News Falsely Claims That Weatherman Bill Ayers Was Obama's "Mentor"
February 28, 2008 -- 11:20 AM EST // //

One thing to keep a lookout for when watching the emerging wingnut-slime-machine assault on Barack Obama is efforts to build a superstructure of lies on top of a foundation of a few inconsequential facts.

This sort of stuff has the potential to be effective, because once people accept the germ of truth within the assault, they're at risk of believing the grotesque falsehoods that sprouted from it. The wingers are very good at doing this, as we've seen again and again.

Here, for instance, is a "report" on Fox News, by radio host John Batchelor, on Obama's alleged ties to Bill Ayers, a former member of the Weather Underground who has been unrepentant about the bombs set by the group. The germ of the story -- that Obama has some sort of relationship with him -- is true. But look at how creatively Batchelor embellishes the whole tale...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fV_h-XwchkY

You see, in Fox's telling, now Ayers is Obama's "mentor" and he and fellow Weather Underground member Bernadine Dohrn were "principals" on his first campaign for state senate. Also note how Batchelor slyly slips in the reference to September 11th, an obvious effort to connect the bombing by Obama's "mentor" to the terrorism that brought down the towers.

Now, far be it from me to question Batchelor's reporting abilities. But none of this additional info is sourced in any way. And it hasn't been reported anywhere, either. This has been looked into pretty exhaustively, and what's been reported thus far is that Obama met with Ayers and Dohrn in 1995; Obama served with Ayers on the board of an anti-poverty group; Ayers donated $200 to Obama's 2001 state senate campaign; and the two men are " friendly."

If Ayers were really Obama's "mentor" someone would have attested to this by now. And if Ayers and Dohrn had been "principals" on his campaign you'd think there would be a record of it somewhere. This is fiction, pure and simple. But it's the kind of fiction that has the potential to get folks saying, hey, didja hear Obama's tight with some America-hating dude who blew up a bunch of stuff? The guy was Obama's mentor, or something...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:55 PM
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38. I can't help thinking we need to aggressively embrace all that
and turn it around. Here's someone different, younger, and history-making. Here's our vibrant answer to the same old stuff in WDC. And have a slew of people ready to come out very publicly to attack any hint of racism (or sexism, if as you say, HRC manages to pull this out) immediately.

We get killed when we allow them to tell the story. WE have to control our message. And we have to be ready to fight, hard, when they put their machine in place. Kerry played nice guy and it did him no good. He needed to come out swinging. I think Obama has a chance to learn from the mistakes of the past. And he's really very good, judging from his debates, at hitting back without ever once losing his cool. McCain CAN be made to lose his cool, and we should do it often. That and patronizingly applaud his service all those very, very many years ago, and imply it's awfully brave of him to leave the nursing home to campaign...
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:07 PM
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79. The Dems have had a tendency to want to freeze and hope the attacks go away.
We all know they won't go away. It's what Republicans do. It's their most reliable and they will not let the opportunity pass to use it.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:29 PM
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82. Yes, exactly. Deer in the headlights.
We need to be less deer and more bear, I think.

But one of Rove's techniques has always been to attack the opponent's strength. I suppose the corollary to that might be to go on the offensive and sell what you think they'll see as weaknesses AS your strengths. (Did that make even the slightest bit of sense?)
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:57 PM
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83. I've never heard it put that way,
That's an interesting idea. Hard to imagine how it would work, but could be interesting to try. What Rove does is steal the opponent's strength and make it look like his candidate's--as he did with Kerry's wartime service in 2004. While the swift boaters were tearing Kerry's service to shreds, Rove made it look like sacrilege to impugn Bush's warrish time-ish service-ish. Can't let them get away with that shit this time. The bastids!

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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:57 PM
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91. Well, if they're going to try thinly veiled racism as a ploy
throwing his middle name around as if it's something to be ashamed of, etc., then perhaps we need to run with that to begin with, and innoculate him to those sort of attacks. People don't want to be told their being racists (even when they are). Make them risk that by throwing those sort of criticisms around, have parades of civil rights fighters out celebrating his presidency and what that means for the country, etc. Make it damned near impossible for them to play the card.

Of course, that means we have to be watching to see what cards they're about to play all the time. Because it's a sure thing they'll keep trying...
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 07:58 PM
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92. Oops - meant the above to go under your post, Burtworm. nt
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 01:57 PM
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44. If you have not realized yet, Obama is a "special" type of politician.
No way he gets Dukakised or swift-boated.
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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:01 PM
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53. Just be ready if they try. Don't leave him hanging alone.
This is a street war.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:11 PM
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93. He won't be out there alone...
he has the base behind him.
Something the YES IWR voting Kerry didn't have.

I see the full force of the Democratic Party and
informed Independents behind Mr. Obama in November.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:00 PM
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51. While the DNC is "Bob Doling" McCrazy...
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:03 PM
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58. ,,,,
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:03 PM
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59. I think Hillary already Dukakised him with the photo.
McCain has endearing images such as the Bush hug and "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" to work with. The 100 years of war is a winner, too.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:14 PM
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94. Don't forget the "cutting cake on the golf course while Katrina raged" one too. nt
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:49 AM
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99. Was McCain in that one? Honest??? nt
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:27 AM
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101. It was his birthday they were celebrating!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:04 PM
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61. The OP compares Obama to Dukakis, you have to be kidding.
Dukakis sat in his hotel room and never defended himself for 6 months.

Thanks for your concern.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:07 PM
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63. While I agree Obama can be Dukakis-ized, Obama has shown to be much more politically savvy
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 02:09 PM by NJSecularist
than Dukakis. The Democratic party has also gotten more politically savvy during his time.

I'm not saying it's not a possiblity that the Rethugs can mold him into Dukakis, but it's not likely.

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BurtWorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:11 PM
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66. Have to be on our toes,
Not let them get away with one drop of shit. Make the constipated bastidges hold it in until they explode.
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stillrockin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:15 PM
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69. Ain't gonna happen.
But stay away from tanks, just in case . . .
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:16 PM
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71. And then look at this thread; I see contradictions galore.
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:27 PM
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72. God I'm getting sick of Clinton supporters whining about how unfair everything is.
Not only do they have zero respect for their fellow party members, they actually hope for Obama to lose badly in the general election so that they can be right. It's like these people would rather live under a Republican government than lose their status as the dominant faction of the Party.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 02:31 PM
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77. Obama Praises Jeremiah Wright Praises Farrakhan Praises Obama Praises Jeremiah Wright Praises...
The unholy trinity of the black separatist church will be exposed for what it is. If Obama gets the nomination, his CULT followers should hold on to their balls.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 PM
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96. "the unholy trinity of the black separatist church"
ohhh-kay.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:06 PM
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78. Hear Here!! ~~A little revolution now and then
is a good thing."~~Thomas Jefferson...

sharpen your teeth Democrats!!! Alienate NO one, but Tear the Neo-Cons Limb from Limb. (metaphorically speaking.)

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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:20 PM
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80. In all fairness, Dukakis was a douchbag of a candidate to begin with. Nice, smart dude, but still a
horrible candidate that could not connect with people. Seems that same folks that put Dukakis and Kerry on a pedestal want to nominate Her Shrillness for some reason.

Come dems, the GOP is handing you this election. Don't fuck this up this time, because the country sure as hell needs something to build on. Obama is clearly the best choice.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:13 PM
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84. "We need to plan for what is to come. On this matter ..."
Burt, we think alike! I fully agree, and I feel that this is one of the reasons that Obama must opt out of public financing. He'll have an unusual/costly battle on his hands after he wins the nomination. But, so far I like how he fights, smart.

:hi:
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NMMatt Donating Member (523 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 05:44 PM
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87. Agree - this will be their line of attack
However as others have said, Obama is a better candidate than Dukakis. It's hard to say who will be a better candidate when you compare McCain to Bush I. However Bush I ran successfully on Reagan's record. McCain is trying to run away from Bush II. It is our job to tie McCain and Bush II together at every opportunity.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 08:16 PM
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95. AND ...we have Howard Dean heading up the DNC...
a fighter unlike any other behind the scenes AND
in front of the cameras!
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Frumious B Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:05 AM
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100. Obama is sharper and more media savvy than Dukakis could ever have been.
I'm sure they will trot out all the usual lines against him if he is the nominee, but this primary season has proven that they underestimate Obama at their own peril. Right now, the best thing the Republicans have going for them is the popular conception that John McCain is one of those "sensible" Republicans. Obama or Clinton's mission is going to be to torpedo that myth and to join McCain at the hip with George W. Bush.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:49 AM
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102. For GOD'S sake, I sincerely hope that if Obama wins the nomination
his campaign staff is more alert and aware than some of his supporters, who think he's almighty, and can face anything. A "special" kind of candidate? Are you serious? He's a POLITICIAN running for office. Just like Kerry, Dukakis, Gore. Are you seriously telling me that Obama is smarter and more savvy than ALL of them?

He's going to get it from the GOP, and he'll get it from the media. They DO have material to work with, and I'm not talking about some major scandal. Gore got Gored because of stuff like earth tones! The media repeated that over and over again, along with the "sighs," the Love Story flap, and the "fact" that he "didn't know who he was" and that he was a "liar." This, against one of the weakest Republican candidates ever.

And then there's Kerry, thinking that because of his stellar service in the military, the swiftboaters would have no effect. How'd that turn out?

It's beyond naive to think that none of this will happen to Obama, and that he'll be okay because he can "handle anything" or that he's a "special candidate."

I don't support him; I don't even like him. But if he's the nominee I really do hope that he doesn't have the idea that he's invincible like some of his supporters do. God help us. I DON'T want McCain in the White House.
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