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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:16 PM
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Neocon War Lies: Hillary Bought 'Em, Obama Fought 'Em
NEOCON WAR LIES: HILLARY BOUGHT 'EM, OBAMA FOUGHT 'EM.
http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2008/02/12090.php

Barack Obama's October 2002 antiwar speech was not just antiwar; it was boldly anti-neocon and it named names--at the same time Hillary Clinton was echoing the neocons' lies.

Before you vote or caucus in the Presidential primary, take a couple minutes to read the speech Barack Obama, while still an Illinois State Senator, delivered at an October 2002 antiwar rally in Chicago.

Obama didn't only oppose war against Iraq; he emphatically opposed the neocon ideology and the lies the neocons used to sell us their premeditated war, and he courageously called two of the neocons by name--long before most Americans had even heard of the neocons, their Lockheed-connected Project For The New American Century, and their desire for endless wars of conquest.

Here are two key quotes from Obama's speech; the full text is below:

"I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

...I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. ...But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history."


What was Hillary Clinton saying at the time? She was echoing some of the neocons' most dangerous, fear-inciting lies. Here's an excerpt from her October 10, 2002 U.S. Senate speech:

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." (from http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html)

In his 2005 book "9/11 Synthetic Terror: Made in USA," Webster Tarpley observes that "NEOCONS PREFER WAR TO PEACE." He notes that one of Paul Wolfowitz's favorite quips is "Let them hate me, as long as they fear me." Tarpley also writes: "The US Constitution mandates that the government pursue the General Welfare, but for the neocons this is anathema, since among other things it threatens their most cherished principle--oligarchy." (For more on Tarpley, visit http://www.tarpley.net)

In 2002, Obama had the wisdom to see through the neocons' lies and the courage to challenge the neocons head on. Hillary Clinton did not.

In the 2008 Presidential campaign, Obama says he's willing to engage in direct diplomacy, without preconditions, with leaders of Iran, Syria, and other nations the neocons would like to conquer. Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, is unwilling to engage this way, and publicly labels these leaders--including the popular, democratically-elected Hugo Chavez of Venezuela--as "the world's worst dictators." But Clinton is very enthusiastic about something she called (in a recent TV debate) "coercive diplomacy."

Could all of this help explain why the top two recipients of campaign donations from "our troops" are Ron Paul and Barack Obama? Here's what the Center For Responsive Politics says about this:

"MILITARY DONORS FAVOR ANTIWAR CANDIDATES: Individuals in the Army, Navy and Air Force made those branches of the armed services among the top contributors in the 4th Quarter... In 2007, Republican Ron Paul, who opposes U.S. involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, was the top recipient of money from donors in the military, collecting at least $212,000 from them. Barack Obama, another war opponent, was second with about $94,000." (from http://www.opensecrets.org/pressreleases/2008/YearEndPresidential.2.4.asp)

Maybe our troops are sick of fighting the neocons' illegal, premeditated wars.

There is no perfect Presidential candidate. But maybe it's time we all join our troops in not just voting for but also funding the wisest Presidential candidates--candidates with the soundest possible judgement--who will give diplomacy and peace the best possible chance.

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FULL TEXT OF OBAMA'S ANTIWAR SPEECH
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(from http://usliberals.about.com/od/extraordinaryspeeches/a/Obama2002War.htm)

"I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil.

I Don't Oppose All Wars

I don't oppose all wars. My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil.

I don't oppose all wars. After September 11, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again.

Opposed to Dumb, Rash Wars

I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

On Saddam Hussein

Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history.

I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.

I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda.

I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.

You Want a Fight, President Bush?

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and al-Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure that...we vigorously enforce a nonproliferation treaty, and that former enemies and current allies like Russia safeguard and ultimately eliminate their stores of nuclear material, and that nations like Pakistan and India never use the terrible weapons already in their possession, and that the arms merchants in our own country stop feeding the countless wars that rage across the globe.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells.

You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.

Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair."
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:20 PM
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1. Obama has the judgment to be president on Day One.
Hillary still can't admit he's run circles around her in foreign policy.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:23 PM
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2. Sorry the junior Senator wasn't there
It's a silly argument -- his conflicting statements on the matter notwithstanding.
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KLee Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:26 PM
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3. huh?
what conflicting statements on the matter?
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:53 PM
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9. There are many conflicting statements from BO
OBAMA: You know, I didn't have the information that was available to senators. I know that, as somebody who was thinking about a U.S. Senate race, I think it was a mistake, and I think I would have voted no.

BLITZER: You would have voted no at the time?

OBAMA: That's correct.

BLITZER: Kerry, of course, and Edwards both voted yes.

OBAMA: But keep in mind, I think this is a tough question and a tough call.
What I do think is that if you're going to make these tough calls, you have to do so in a transparent way, in an honest way, talk to the American people, trust their judgment. >>>

Okay, he condemns Hillary although it's a "tough call." He provide cover for Kennedy, but condemns Hillary.

<<BLOCK: This ticket, obviously, John Kerry and John Edwards, both senators voted for the war.

Sen. OBAMA: Yeah. Well--and I think that there is room for disagreement in that initial decision>>

<<Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and-dried. Like most analysts, I assumed that Saddam had
chemical and biological weapons and coveted nuclear arms.>>

It really goes on and on; Obama flips with the political wind -- He is most certainly a sham.

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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:54 PM
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10. And yet that STILL beats the hell out of Hillary voting YES on it.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:27 PM
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4. The Junior Senator From NY WAS There - Voting With The Neocons
K&R
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:40 PM
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6. Right, and Kerry, and Edwards etc...
Obama wasn't there -- it's a worthless argument.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:55 PM
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11. Edwards and Kerry both apologized & called it a grievous error. Hillary? Not so much.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 03:56 PM by AtomicKitten
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:41 AM
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19. Obama was right - before Day 1.
That's why he's going to win the nomination.

Hillary still hasn't apologized for her IWR vote.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:31 PM
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5. Great post!
If Hillary didn't realize what vipers Perle and Wolfowitz were, she certainly should have.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:52 PM
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8. I love that he called out the neocons BY NAME in 2002.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 03:41 PM
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7. I never tire of reading that speech. It was prescient. NT
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 04:11 PM
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12. K & R
:kick:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:45 PM
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13. K.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:17 AM
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14. K&R
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:22 AM
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15. At last! I practically know
Obama's Oct, 2002 speech by heart, I've posted it on DU enough times..it's a thing of beauty and now it's getting broader attention as it should.

This is the ultimate important distinction between the two vying for the job to lead us in the next four years.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 AM
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16. Very gratifying isn't it
I don't know why the campaign doesn't understand how many people out here get the difference between just opposing the vote, and opposing the entire neocon agenda. That is what impressed me with that speech most of all. (As I've also been saying for months)
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:42 AM
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17. Yes, Obama was on to them like
we were on DU..only I did not know about his speech in Chicago at the time nor learn of it until this year..and all the time he was on the same page.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:25 AM
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18. k and r
bookmarked
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:49 AM
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20. Fair use of copyright, means 3-4 paragraphs
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 02:03 AM by FogerRox
EDIT:

Although I am an Obama supporter, rules are rules. IMHO worth an alert.


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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:52 AM
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21. Hello ?
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