The game isn't over for Hillary by a long shot! Here's some truth

[gerrilea]

Let me first state I don't believe in polls, not enough people questioned in any of them! And then their "results" are tossed around as the Gospel for all of us to "believe in"... In my heart, polls and pollsters are a tool to control and manipulate the masses into believing something that they wouldn't normally do or think...mass mentality...not truth!

With that said, the only one that I believe more scientifically sound and less biased in their questioning is Pew and below is a link for an explanation of all the recent polling...

Obama fairs well against Hillary in democrats only, but in the bigger picture at large, he has real problems...

Hillary hits homeruns when it comes to Foregin Policy and National Security, Obama is viewed as "weak"...and hasn't given enough info on his positions...

Please don't post replies wasting space saying read his website, MOST AMERICANS, NOT US HERE AT THE DU, don't really have time go to there or care what an candidate's website says...

The Pew Explanation link is below...

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=398

[Bicoastal]

1. "Obama fairs well against Hillary in democrats only"...

If Hillary can't beat decisively Obama among Dems, why should we trust her to go up against the GOP?

FAIL

[Ravy]

7. Actually, I think Hillary is still ahead when only self-identified

Democrats are counted, and in close primaries. I think it is the Independent and republican voters who are giving him the edge.

[Bicoastal]

17. Well then, that would contradict the theory that he has "real problems" in the GE, right?

I'm confused, do you and the OP think Obama would make a bad President or simply a bad nominee?

Frankly, I think he'll be wondeful as both.

[gerrilea]

21. just a bad nominee, we won't win the GE with him.

I think Obama speaks wonderfully and was inspired by him in the 2004 DNC, but he can't hold it together against the repukes destruto machine.

[Bicoastal]

23. If it comes to that, I'd rather lose with Obama than lose with Hillary.

[gerrilea]

26. Now this is a position I can respect.

I would have put it in the reverse order myself...go figure!

[John Q. Citizen]

33. It will be over in a week. Watch and see.

[gerrilea]

16. Well, since you asked!

Because all of these primaries aren't a real reflection of everyone in America, just democrats and their "blowing with the wind" mentality...this isn't the reality in the Southern States and the majority of the Republican strongholds...Obama won't win the South.

[Bicoastal]

19. Will you help him try to win the South if he is the nominee?

Or will you just take your ball and go home if we don't go with HRC?

[gerrilea]

27. Actually, I most likely would support him, but living in my most liberal

State of NY, I'm shocked at the racism here, everyone up here in Buffalo, won't vote if he's nominated...very scary...but at the Store I manage, I just am still amazed how ignorant people are..the stupid remarks they make to me all day..

If they are this way here...in NEW YORK, what makes me believe they aren't 100% worse in the South? Nothing, unfortunately.

[Bicoastal]

29. All the more reason why I'm willing to go out on a limb with Obama.

If he isn't able to win over racist Dems to his cause, no black candidate can.

People often talk about how "the times aren't right" for an African American to be President. What they fail to notice is how few times we've actually given them a serious shot--Jessie Jackson and Carol Mosley Braun, and thats' it. And then notice that Obama is, in 2008, the only African American Senator and one of the few of ANY non-white ethnicity. Look at our reps! Look at our governors! Look at our former nominees for President! How can we find a decent Black Democratic Presidential candidate for the future if we're turning our backs on them in the present? I ask you....

If the times aren't right NOW, they might as well never be.

[gerrilea]

32. I repect your idealism believe me, I had it for a very long time

But the "time is now" won't get us the White House, any other time in our Country's history I'd be behind him 100%...today and after the past 7 years...the destruction that the repukes have brought upon us are too big for him...I don't mean this to sound insulting or condesending...he doesn't have the tools necessary to succeed once in the White House.

Look what happened when we "elected" *ush!

He's being surrounded by all the Washington "insiders", so what will be any different with him once/if he's there, nothing.

[peacebird]

2. so you don't believe in polls, except those that support your candidate....

:eyes:

[gerrilea]

Okay, did I forget to mention, I'm bi-polar somedays!

:silly:

[BeatleBoot]

25. Don't worry, Peacebird thinks India is part of NAFTA

:crazy:

[FogerRox]

3. It was over super tuesday. It took me 3 days to figure it out. Some a bit longer

Apparently some, even longer.

[gerrilea]

30. Super Tuesday, when was that again! I missed something, damn!

It's over, when did this happen again?:+

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. Why do you support this poll over the others?

[gerrilea]

8. I'm not quoting a poll here, just analysis from the only source not

as bad as the rest:toast:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. ooooookaaaayyyyy

[scheming daemons]

5. It doesn't matter who "wins".. if it's within 5 or 6 points either way in OH and TX, Hillary's done.

The delegate math is too daunting for her.

[JimGinPA]

6. Thank You For Wasting 30 Seconds Of My Life

:eyes:

[gerrilea]

10. Glad I could ablige! You give me too much power, God Bless!

[Hoof Hearted]

14. Only you can waste your life.

[Political Heretic]

9. Holy hell, that was the funniest shit I've read all day.

What a great note on which to call it a day and go home from the office.

See ya!

[gerrilea]

11. I do love the humor here, keeps me smiling all day too!

[NeedleCast]

12. Soooooooooooooooooooooo

You don't believe in polls...and you link a pro-Hillary poll as part of your argument?

k.

[cali]

15. sorry, I really do think it's over

and the bottom line is that she really wasn't served well by her campaign and her shifting message.

[gerrilea]

18. Guys and Gals, I'm not quoting another poll, just an analysis...

[Bicoastal]

20. Based on what? Your own eyes and ears?

[BeatleBoot]

22. Interesting dissection of the numbers

Of course, you knew you would get drivel from the BHO supporters. It is to be expected.

What it tells me is this: If the party had closed primaries rather than open caucuses, then we would be looking at an entirely different race.

Obama has capitalized on pukes in the primary - 90% of which won't vote for him in November.

[gerrilea]

24. Yep, my thought exactly...

[BeatleBoot]

28. What's Weird is....

it is quite evident that this is exactly what is happening.

And its like no one in the party has learned anything from 2004.

The Nazi Scum turned a War Hero into a Traitor.

And, four years later, facing that exact same team of thugs again, the party can't see reality.

It would be funny except the consequences are too grave.

[emilyg]

39. Exactly.

[grantcart]

31. Did you even bother to read the article?

It clearly states that Obama is in a stronger position

Barack Obama is riding high as the March 4 primaries approach. Obama has moved out to a broad-based advantage over Hillary Clinton in the national Democratic primary contest and holds a 50%-43% lead over John McCain in a general election matchup.

[gerrilea]

34. Yes, but the picture is not all rosy as "O" supporters believe, in anyway.

And the polls don't include the general registered voters, who will actually vote in November.

[grantcart]

40. If you mean that somehow Hillary can win the nomination then you

are wrong and your source says nothing to dispel it

1) She cannot gain in delegates because delegates are not divided or distributed by states but by congressional districts. Here it is explained in mind numbing detail why it is almost impossible for a candidate to catch up on delegates when it is a two person race unless one candidate is getting over 65%.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4782802

and here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4806123

2)But don't take my word for it here Sen. Schumer one of Clinton's national chairpersons are saying the same thing


Schumer also suggested that the current system of awarding pledged delegates is flawed. "The delegate counts are so close, and you can win a state by quite a lot and you still don't win the delegates by quite a lot,” he said. "Maybe that's a flawed system. But that will be for the next election, not this one.

"The number one thing that people worry about is that the candidates will cut each other up and make it harder to win the general," he said. "But I think that is not going to happen. Because everyone cares about winning so much. Not only the candidates, but the electorate. So if one candidate is doing something that is regarded as really self-destructive, of the ability to win, that's really going to hurt them."

"It would widely be regarded negatively in the electorate," he said.

"I think if you win a district 55 to 45," he said. "The delegates shouldn't be three to three. Yes, I think proportional representation makes some sense but they sort of overdid it."


Now not to put to fine a point to my original post here are the significant points

1) With the way that delegates are distributed it is impossible for Hillary to catch up unless she is getting 60+% in several big states

2) She is not going to do that

3) Everyone in the upper echelon's of the party knows all of this but like Huckabee, there is no way to stop it without further

[cd3dem]

35. Obama has been treated like the "Bubble Boy" no one can touch him...

that will end if he is the nominee... and he will be made a fool of!!!!!

[gerrilea]

38. And all of us Dems

[MagsDem]

36. 20% of white Democratic voters say they would vote for McCain if Obama is the Democratic nominee

"That is twice the percentage of white Democrats who say they would support McCain in a Clinton-McCain matchup. Older Democrats (ages 65 and older), lower-income and less educated Democrats also would support McCain at higher levels if Obama rather than Clinton is the party's nominee."

As I have been saying for months, he is not electable in the GE.

[gerrilea]

37. Me too! Their blinded by the "hope" and can't see their own feet

in front of them and the cliff they are walking us off.

[tabasco]

42. Join the Army right here, sparky:

www.goarmy.com

If you're voting for McCain you're voting for war.

Sign your dumb coward ass up for the infantry.

[Johnny__Motown]

41. doesn't this just say that 20% or white democratic voters are racists? what if it were 20% of men ..

who are democrats would not vote for Hillary. Wouldn't that be jumped on as sexist? Besides, where exactly do these white democrats live? If these are concentrated in southern states that go republican anyways then they won't effect the electoral map at all.



Hillary is not electable, and not because of her gender. We all know she has the highest negatives of any of the candidates. She tops out in polls below 50% more like 47% and with almost as many saying they will never vote for her. Her likely pool of undecided is tiny compared to either McCain or Obama.

She also can't seem hire people to run her campaign worth a damn. It has been terrible. Even Bill has called it "political malpractice". Add to this the fact that she went along with all the bad advice plays into the "poor judgment" argument and for some of us confirms it.

Barack Obama is the only hope this party has. Hillary is fatally flawed. If her supporters would simply stop enabling her self destructive attacks on our eventual nominee we would all be better off and the Repugs would have less slime to use against us.


Have a nice day and enjoy your last 5 days of the Clinton era.