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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:27 PM
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Bill Clinton: TX harder for HRC because of young urban voters
Sounds like they are already practicing excuses for Tuesday night's TX loss.


http://media.www.dailytexanonline.com/media/storage/paper410/news/2008/02/28/TopStories/Bill-Clinton.Rallies.For.Hillary-3241090.shtml


"I don't think there is a silver bullet here," he said. "You don't have to be against Obama, just like the people who are for Obama don't have to be against her."

"You just have to decide who would be the best president. But I think that the more she relays that case in ways that people can relate to in their own lives, the better chance she has to win."


<snip>

He said his wife did well in other big states, where she had time to campaign, and said that she won all the large states except for Illinois.

He also said she does better in states where she already has a profile as a leader.

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:29 PM
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1. Am I the only one to read "urban" to mean "black"?
all those black kids are voting?????????
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:30 PM
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3. Well there were at least 2 of us then
Sounds like the "first black president" has once again pulled out the race card.
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:24 AM
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56. This makes 3 of us. Kinda hard to see it any other way.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 PM
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20. He's full of shit about Chelsea connecting with the young, urban voters
Because every college that she went to while she was here, was a SUBURBAN college that are filled with primarily white kids. UT Dallas (Richardson), University of North Texas (Denton), UT Arlington (Arlington). Basically, they are trying to get THOSE kids to cancel out the young, urban votes.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:46 PM
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24. I didn't get that from the OP. Is that what he said?
I'll have to read the article.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:49 PM
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29. that's how I'm reading it.
I think that's a ploy to play to the PERCEIVED latino racial bias against blacks.

that's their firewall in texas, or so Mark Penn tells them. I think they're in for a drubbing there.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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32. Nope. My very first thought.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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35. I thought about colleges in the cities when I read that line.
We all view the world through our own lens, I guess.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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38. Me 3.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:55 PM
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45. After Bill's racial comments in SC, I wouldn't be surprised if he actually said "turban" not "urban"
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:55 PM by InAbLuEsTaTe
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:17 AM
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55. Yes. "Urban" is usually code for "black." nt
FU Big Dawg.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:28 AM
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57. I didn't read it that way.
I read it as meaning yuppies.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:33 AM
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58. You obviously didn't read the article (or you're "playing the race card")
While I respect the Obama campaign's brilliant use of race, we don't need to lie and distort things here. Things are polarized enough here for people to resort to lies. At least read the article before you make such accusation.

"It's a little harder here because the urban population of Texas is younger, so it's a challenge for her, but it's a good challenge," Clinton said.

He added that his daughter, Chelsea, has done a lot to bridge the generation gap between his wife and younger voters.

"Chelsea has been really effective, because she's a good personal advocate for her mother," he said.

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:29 PM
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2. Eventually, "that state has people" will be the excuse.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:50 PM
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30. oh....SNAP!
:rofl:
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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34. LMAO!!! True indeed.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:30 PM
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4. He also charactered Texas as a must win, that may come back to bite them both
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:36 PM
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9. pretty much everything is must-win at this point though
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:53 PM
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40. not the ones that don't count ... hehe..... we all know how that goes
She is planning on the "I win big states" argument, it is all she has. If she loses this big state it hurts that argument.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:33 PM
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5. "Urban" population???
They really should shut him up.

And WTF is up with the "halo" picture in the article? We got enough of that crap with Bush.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:34 PM
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6. Gee Bill, You Did Your Best To Put The Young "Urban" Voters In Jail
By approving far-longer sentences for crack possession than for other forms of cocaine. Guess not enough of 'em got put away.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:34 PM
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7. Young black folk ain't gonna support my wife. Drats.
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:34 PM by Drunken Irishman
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:36 PM
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8. And apparently, Bill Clinton is giving them no reason to support
his wife.

So Yuk! :puke:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:36 PM
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10. Also, when he said "she does better in states where she already has a profile as a leader"
didn't he REALLY mean where she already had big-time establishment connections?

And of COURSE he meant "Black" when he said "urban." Typical race-card playing.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:41 PM
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15. I think Bill Clinton meant that older people are more familiar...
...with the Clintons than young people.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:42 PM
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16. So it's name recognition. n/t
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 PM
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22. Also, familiarity with what the Clinton administration did.
A lot of jobs were created in those 8 years, there was a budget surplus at the end of his second term, etc.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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37. But Hillary doesn't get to take credit for the good things while distancing herself from the bad
things.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:54 PM
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44. a lot of water under the bridge since then.
I think most people are smart enough to realize that NAFTA and outsourcing, relaxing of FCC media ownership rules did as much to hurt this country as the temporary dot.com consumer confidence prosperity bubble did to help it.

Hey, I was back then a big touter of the economy under CLinton, but I've since come to think a great deal of it came from conflated credit spending from high consumer confidence and capitalistic hysteria over new technologies. Which is great, but eventually subsides.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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36. Translated:
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:52 PM by rainbow4321
"We've kinda ignored TX Democrats (forever) cuz this is a red state, but now we are trying like hell to pander to them and, uh, it's not going over so well"
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:53 PM
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42. AND:
"If Hillary loses here, you'll be called 'unimportant' by her."
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:37 PM
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11. AGAIN with these excuses? Preemptively now?
Texas won't count, I guess!
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:37 PM
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12. Maybe the dog ate her homework, again.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:44 PM
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19. "Maybe The dingo ate your baby,"
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:48 PM
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27. *
B-)
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:40 PM
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13. Hillary: Ready to Make New and More Annoying Excuses on Day One
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:40 PM
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14. Old Bill gets around pretty good for a guy walking around with one foot in his mouth all the time.
:rofl:
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:43 PM
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17. So what!
When she started her Texas campaign in El Paso, I pointed out here that she evidently knows NADA about Tejas. I got a lot of grief. Accused of being a bigot .. usual Hillaryesque treatment.

She is OUT OF TOUCH WITH TEXANS. Maybe Bill gets that now. Rhodes and all...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:44 PM
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18. Not only that, he's plagiarizing one of Obama's lines
=="She wants to say to the world: 'America is back,'" he said.==

C'mon Big Dog, give some props to roll-of-the-dice-guy when you do this!

Obamaphiles know this has long been a standard line of his:

An Obama Presidency: Hey World, "America's Back"

"I want to go before the world and say, 'America's back'," said.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/01/an_obama_presid.html
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MoJoWorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:57 PM
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48. That just jumped off the page and screamed at me when I saw it, as well!
It seems like both Bill and HIll do it in almost every speech, now that they have milked the faux outrage on Obama's "words" for all it was worth. They know it won't be brought up again.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 PM
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21. That's not the quote from the article
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 PM by ruggerson
"It's a little harder here because the urban population of Texas is younger, so it's a challenge for her, but it's a good challenge," Clinton said.

He added that his daughter, Chelsea, has done a lot to bridge the generation gap between his wife and younger voters."


Now, if any of you think there's something racial about that, then you live on a different planet than I do.

This is absurd.

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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:47 PM
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25. See post #20 on Chelsea's "bridging" attempts n/t
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:48 PM
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28. Sorry if you see racism in this, then you see racism in kittens
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:53 PM
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41. ...


:)
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:56 PM
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46. OMG! you owe me a new computer screen!
:rofl:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:56 PM
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47. lol
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:19 PM
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50. That's a gorgeous picture
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:21 PM
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51. LOL
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:02 PM
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49. ruggerson, thanks for explaining that
urban means the city as opposed to rural meaning the country.
And Chelsea went to colleges bridging the gap between her mom and the youth.

I'm getting the feeling some people on GD-P have a reading comprehension and they are very reactionary.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:45 PM
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23. Texas doesnt count.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:48 PM
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26. "where she had time to campaign"????
I guess "the sun was in my eyes" was already taken.


:nopity:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:31 PM
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53. The wind took it
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:50 PM
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31. In this one case I think the quote has been unfairly used.
He did not say young urban voters,

he said

"the urban polulation of Texas is younger"

quite a difference.


"It's a little harder here because the urban population of Texas is younger, so it's a challenge for her, but it's a good challenge," Clinton said.


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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:51 PM
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33. Texas is a must win one day and Not so important the next
:shrug:
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:52 PM
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39. Sounds like the excuses are already starting to rear their ugly head. Bill is at his best . . .
when he keeps quiet about Hillary.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:54 PM
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43. young urban(BLACK) voters

Damned if old Bill went and played the race card AGAIN!:puke:

Can't anyone shut him up?:eyes:
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:29 PM
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52. So when I was working for the navy
And lived in DC I saw a lot of white people living there. It wasn't just black people. So I don't understand why you assume people that live in urban areas like LA, SF, DC are all black, because they are not. I worked in SF 6 months, LA 3 months and there were white and black people. Maybe you need to get out more and go to the big city so you wont have this preconceived notion that people that live in the big city are all black.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:40 PM
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54. Possibly people have become used to "urban" as codespeak for "black"
its in the colloquial lexicon. If that is not what he meant, its an unfortunate choice of words.
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:33 AM
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59. Did any of you people screaming racism actually read the quote in context?

"It's a little harder here because the urban population of Texas is younger, so it's a challenge for her, but it's a good challenge," Clinton said.

He added that his daughter, Chelsea, has done a lot to bridge the generation gap between his wife and younger voters.

"Chelsea has been really effective, because she's a good personal advocate for her mother," he said.


Unless you're suggesting that Obama does better amongst younger blacks than older blacks (a position for which there is scant evidence) then this makes no sense. It does make sense, however, if you contrast the urban population (of all races) of Texas against, say, Ohio or Florida.

Furthermore, I'm not aware that the Clinton campaign has ever stated or implied that Chelsea is helping them amongst younger blacks. They have, however, implied repeatedly that she helps them amongst college students and other young voters.

Urban is not always a code word for black. Sometimes urban is just urban.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:02 AM
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60. It is so past time for the Clintons to go away.
Just go. Leave. Give the nation a chance to breathe. Take your buddies, the Bush family, with you. Go hang out together and fish or yacht or golf or anything. Just leave us alone.
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