THE Biggest Reason Why YOU Should Support Obama

[Yavin4]

In order to get the troops out of Iraq, in order to prevent another war with Iran, in order to shut down GITMO, in order to get something done on healthcare, in order to get something done on the economy to benefit people not just the wealthy, in order to get more money for education, in order for there to be progress on civil rights for all citizens...

In order for all of this and more to be accomplished, there must be a strong Democratic majority in the U.S. Congress, not just a Democrat in the White House, and the lone remaining Democrat left in this election that can also deliver a stong Democratic congress along with the presidency is Obama.

I respect the Clintons for what they did in the 90s, but in all honesty, they are the best thing going for the Republican party. Under Clinton, the Republicans were able to wrest control of both chambers of Congress for the first time since the 1950s. Even during the dark years of Reagan/Bush I, the Democrats still maintained at least one chamber of congress.

You may not like Obama nor appreciate how Hillary has been treated in this election, but you simply cannot deny that the Democratic party as a whole will do a lot better in the GE with Obama leading the ticket instead of Hillary.

[KLee]

1. you make a

good point about President Bill Clinton losing control of both chambers of congress for the Democrats. Even though Hillary was not President, she was involved in the scandals that caused this to happen.

However, I remain steadfast, should Obama not win the nomination, I will support Hillary.

[MagsDem]

67. What scandals?

We lost the house and senate in 1994. There were no scandals. We lost because he passed the tax increases on rich people that set the properous economic agenda of the rest of the 90's. Thereafter we picked up seats in each election. You might want to try getting your history straight.

[barb162]

2. I can deny it very easily. He has no experience just for starters. n/t

[KLee]

5. Care to expand on the no experience?

Have you done research? If you do research at the Library of Congress for the U.S. and Illinois, you will find out differently. He has been a Senator longer than Hillary if you count Illinois. He has 20 years of experience vs her 35 years experience....which gets negated if you realize she is 60 and he is 46...

[barb162]

12. You call the IL state legislature comparable to the US Senate?

Hahaha. That's rich. You might want to do some research and check on the bills in the IL legislature where he voted "present."

[KLee]

13. You might want to.....

Do some research and check what the meaning of "present" really is...ha ha ha

[barb162]

24. I think you should do some research on the word n't

[Cha]

28. You don't add much

do you?

[barb162]

37. If you had anything to write here, maybe I'd respond to it. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. Which "present" vote do you take issue with?

Give me a specific example of bill which Obama voted "present" on, and tell me why you disagree with it.

[barb162]

89. The Ever-'Present' Obama

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2007/02/the_everpresent_obama.html

Here are several specific examples

[sniffa]

78. No, she doesn't

just, lame, empty posts. Killer way to rack up the post count though. :thumbsup:

[barb162]

87. Yep, yours here is an example.

[Cha]

27. Obama was a community organizer on

the South Side of Chicago for 3 years, after graduating from Harvard, and
was president of Harvard Law Review, where he learned his organizational skills which are evident in the success of the grassroots campaign he is responsible for..that and knowing the right people to have around him.

[barb162]

42. You may want to take a look

at my profile and notice my state. I have followed Obama before you probably ever heard of him. I even voted for him a few years ago. I am now fully recovered from that and I am a Hillary supporter. Please don't tell me where he went to school and all that other crap because I already knew that a long time ago. DO you want me to tell you where Hillary went to college, what she did after college, etc? If you want to talk about the right people he had around him, you might want to refrain from googling REZKO.

[The Anti-Bush]

46. You don't know what you are talking about.

Quite frankly, I would say he had more positive impact on people's lives while in IL legislature than most US senators ever do.

And as far as his present votes... since you obviously don't know anything about how IL politics works, I'll just let you off with a warning about your naivety.

[barb162]

51. Oh gee, thanks for the warning. I'll really take that seriously.

So what do you think about his voting "present" in regard to not having sex shops near schools. That'll really play well to the average voting parent with school aged kids, huh?

And what's your big experience with IL politics again?

[The Anti-Bush]

60. That has been addressed and debunked.

Present votes are a way to table flawed bills until they can be fixed. Simple as that.

So yes, he voted present 100 times... out of OVER 4000!

[barb162]

81. You forgot one thing...did he vote present on that or against the bill

Sex shops near schools will not play well to middle America, parents of any income class, etal.

You might want to check. Hillary would not have made that kind of vote mistake on that bill.

[casus belli]

72. You call being the spouse of a president the same as being president?

We could go all day with this garbage. Wouldn't you rather not?

[Cha]

9. Right..no experience. Do know

how disingenous that sounds? What's hilary's so-called experience gotten her? A disasterous campaign run by people she hired..voting YEA on the IWR when Obama knew it was a political war even with his "no experience".

And hilary still voting with bush on the kyl-lieberman bill.

[barb162]

14. So why did Obama vote for money for the troops?

If there's no money for the troops there, we'd have to pull them out. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. Remember that silly statement he made about bombing Pakistan a few months back. Super boner. He also should chair some meetings of his subcommittee which he hasn't bothered with for over a year.

[KLee]

18. LOL

Oh so we are supposed to just let the troops die over there because they have no money to get more equipment? If they had no money...think about what you're really saying.......

He didn't say bombing Pakistan, that got distorted....If you had watched the debate, that got debunked.

He has chaired some meetings...just not oversight ones....again a distortion if you do research.

[barb162]

30. Die over there? How about ship them home if there's no money

to feed them.

I watched the debates and and he admitted he did a boner on that stupid Pakistan comment of his, another indication of his lack of foreign policy ecperience.

He has chaired NO Foreign Relations subcommittee meetings which he admitted in the last debate. Hillary has chaired her subcommittee.

[Cha]

21. Oh please...red herring much?

The troops are already over there getting killed and maimed and a lot of Senators, Obama included, don't want to leave them high and dry because the bushites aren't going to bring them home. Obama has said he will do it in a responsible manner.

[barb162]

32. If there is no money, they have to be shipped home.

Let him take a stand versus just babbling like he does.

[Cha]

34. You're the babbler, barb.

[barb162]

44. Sorry to tell you you should look in the mirror.

[The Anti-Bush]

61. Well, he wouldn't have had to vote for it if the war hadn't been authorized in the first place

And do you really think Bush would have brought the troops home if we had defunded it? Please. You are smarter than that. At least I am assuming you are.

[Seabiscuit]

64. He didn't "have to" vote for the funding. No one held a gun to his head.

[barb162]

80. He never 'had' to vote for it .

Was there a gun to his head.
What don't you see about that.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/29282

KUCINICH:
“It is immoral for Congress to make a deal to keep this war going. It is immoral to keep a war going that is based on lies. And it is immoral to make a deal to claim legislative victories unrelated to the war while at the same time spending money to keep the war going,” Kucinich said.


KUCINICH again:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-dennis-kucinich/there-is-only-one-way-to-_b_35299.html

[cali]

74. Why did Pat Leahy vote for money for the troops?

Want to make the stupid argument that Pat Leahy actually supports the war in Iraq. It wasn't until very recently that Leahy decided to not vote for anymore funding for Iraq. And actually, Obama has had a far more gaffe free campaign than your candidate. You guys should really get used to the fact that your beloved Hillary is very unlikely to win the nomination. She's run an epically, historically awful campaign. This is one that will be discussed for years- because it was so bad. And frankly, that she ever let Obama get close, is evidence that she's not capable of running a campaign against McCain. Thankfully, odds are excellent that we won't have to watch her do it.

[barb162]

90. Isn't Obama making the incredibly stupid argument that Hillary

voted "for" the war when in fact she and many others, including Kerry, voted for giving Bush authority to use military force.
And I am not going to make this into a side discussion of how campaigns are run...maybe in a few weeks.

[Yavin4]

11. The Republicans Want Hillary As The Nominee

In order to help their Senatorial and Congressional chances. They don't need to win a majority. They just need to cut into the Dem majority. That's why you don't see any movement on Iraq.

[barb162]

17. I know Republicans who crossover voted for Obama as they

see him as the weaker candidate who would then go against McCain and lose. He's seen as inexperienced and Hillary isn't.

[KLee]

19. Keep distorting and spinning.......

I don't deny that some may do that...but first and foremost we are Americans and George Bush is hovering around a 30% approval rating, which cost alot of Republican seats in 2006.....the tides are changing because Americans, Repuplicans, Democrats, and Independents are fed up.

[barb162]

45. There's no distortion and no spinning.

I agree with you that people are fed up. But an inexperienced person like Obama is not the answer. Singing that tune about hope, change, yes you can, etc., doesn't translate into action and viable answers.

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[barb162]

59. She'll come around and win.

Obama can put his tail between his legs and slink off.

[The Anti-Bush]

62. NO, what I meant was YOU will come around come tuesday

and have to straighten up and step in line, otherwise you will be gone.

[barb162]

77. Worry about yourself coming around if your candidate doesn't win.

and as you say 'have to straighten up and step in line, otherwise you will be gone'

[Yavin4]

20. The Clintons Are The Biggest Fundraiser for Republican Causes

Face facts, the Republicans have made a cottage industry from fundraising off of the Clintons.

[Honeycombe8]

39. The latest issue of Time has an article on experience for the Presidency.

What the article discusses is....which Presidents have had the most experience and which have had the least, and did that have any relationship to the citizenry's judgment of how well they performed as President?

It also discusses just what kind of experience would prepare someone for the job. Someone once said the job is "sui generis." One of a kind. There IS no prior experience that would prepare someone for becoming President. The closest thing I can think of is....the campaign for the Presidency.

If you can't run an excellent campaign for the Presidency, you probably wouldn't be a good President. Therein lies the rub for Clinton, who chose the wrong people to run her campaign strategy, and chose the wrong people to handle the millions she raked in (since she almost went broke).

By contrast, Obama has run an amazing campaign. He clearly is an excellent leader.

Finally, the article quotes someone as saying the best trait a good President has: good judgment. Obama has that, hands down.

[eridani]

40. So why did Biden, Richardson and Dodd drop out?

Any of those three had twice the experience of Clinton and Obama put together.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

55. You were a big Biden or Richardson supporter before, correct?

[casus belli]

70. You do realize he has more Legislative experience than Hillary, right? n/t

[LSK]

83. yes keep campaigning on that

Its worked so well so far...

:sarcasm:

[CyberPieHole]

3. No sale. Obama is a charlatan and nothing more. Obama will lead the party to defeat. n/t

[ginnyinWI]

4. They said the same thing about FDR. n/t

[tabatha]

7. Well, at least do not let the republicans win for lack of trying.

If McCain gets the nod, I think a large part of the population will leave.

[KLee]

8. Fraud?

Nahhh nice try though with a fancy word

[CyberPieHole]

31. "Fancy"? To whom?

Only you, of course.:hi:

[barb162]

23. Indeed, he will lead the party to defeat. Inexperience

and just wait until the Rezko trial starts kicking into gear next week.
"As with the Aramanda contribution, Obama has donated a $10,000 contribution from Maloof to charity. The two contributions are among a total of $157,835 in Rezko-linked donations that Obama has given away. Rezko was once part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/812207,morerez022508.article

HEY! :hi:

[CyberPieHole]

29. Inexperience is one of Obama's lesser evils...

Rezko and Jeremiah Wright/Farrakhan and a slew of other facts will be trotted out and by the time the RW is done, even his faithful CULTish followers will be scampering away.

And a big hello to you, barb162.:hi:

[barb162]

35. Now if the Obama supporters will finally open their eyes and see the "light"

they will see Hillary, an experienced candidate who can beat McCain.

The Republicans are going to be pulling out bills from the Obama years in the IL legislature that are going to absolutely make him look like a fool. One of my favorites is where he didn't vote that sex shops should not be near schools. Most of the legislature voted for it. Imagine what the Republicans can do with that in the general election.

[CyberPieHole]

38. The RW has wanted Obama as our nominee all along...

They will have lots of ammo to use and I'm sure they must have info on the "youthful indiscretion" Obama has been hinting at. If he gets the nod, it will be time to sit back and watch the fireworks. I would never vote for McCain, but it'll take a major struggle to move me to pull the lever in Obama's favor. Besides, they don't need Hillary Clinton supporters. At least that's what Obamanations write here on DU.

[barb162]

47. I have to PM on something there....

[CyberPieHole]

49. Please do so. If you have nothing nice to say about Obama...

come sit by me.:evilgrin:

[barb162]

50. LOL, LOL, LOL. GO Hillary! GO Hillary!

[CyberPieHole]

58. GoHillary!!!

Check your PM.:hi:

[cliffordu]

26. That's right. You should change parties immediately

[barb162]

36. Why change parties. Just support Hillary as the experienced candidate.

[ExFreeper4Obama]

6. Good Post!!! Please support the Dem nominee folks

Why I fled the republicans....




Anyone that won't support the Dem nominee needs their head examined. The Bush Administration has been a DISASTER. I can't imagine folks will vote for McCain because they don't like Obama. So your willing to have 4 more years of Bush? More tax cuts for the rich? More multi-trillion dollar wars that support the military industrial complex? More spiraling budget deficits? Our middle and lower income classes are under ASSAULT!!! That really pisses me off!!!

:mad:

[barb162]

52. You make an excellent point and I love that chart

What a disaster this country has been having the last 7+ years.

[NastyRiffraff]

10. Yes I can:

"...you simply cannot deny that the Democratic party as a whole will do a lot better in the GE with Obama leading the ticket instead of Hillary."

Deny it. Vote for your candidate; I've already voted for mine.

[Yavin4]

15. So You Deny The Series of Republican Electoral Victories Under Bill Clinton?

From taking majority control of both chambers in 1995, to the "election" of Bush in 2000 and 2004, etc. Recall, even if the Dems had challenged and unseated the Florida electors in 2000, the Republican controll House of Reps. would have still installed Bush as president.

Winning the presidency without controlling the congress is a hollow victory which won't mean much in terms of changing things.

[FrenchieCat]

22. How can someone deny what cannot be denied?

:shrug:

[NastyRiffraff]

33. Look, I don't nag you about your vote

Leave me and my vote alone. How DARE you tell me how to vote.

[JVS]

16. Don't go crying in your teacups, Hillary supporters

[barb162]

54. Don't go crying in your lattes next week , Obama supporters.

[The Anti-Bush]

63. Cry in our Lattes? Wow, that is RIGHT from the repug playbook.

It was disgusting when that neo-con bastard said it when he announced hillary, and it's just as disgusting now.

[barb162]

76. and crying into teacups isn't in the pug playbook?

big diff.

[dailykoff]

25. Hell yes. The Clintons are basically running on their promise to bomb Iran.

Which, oddly enough, doesn't seem to come up any more in the debates, now I wonder why? Just a lot of gotcha baloney about "al qaeda" in Iraq (and for anyone who doesn't know, al qaeda = CIA). What's good for GE is good for Hillary.

So you're absolutely right! K/R :thumbsup:

[barb162]

93. Got links for these conspiracy theories?

1. Clintons are basically running on their promise to bomb Iran
2. al qaeda = CIA

[BenDavid]

41. Naive, naive, naive......What is obama going to go against the

generals on the ground and the Joint Chiefs if they tell him we should not leave as soon as he likes? If he does that there will be one hell of an uprising in the military.

This is how inexperienced Obama really is.....This old I was against the war song and dance he likes to tell people he said back in 2002 will not make it today......At least HRC has left the door open becasue she understands the generals on the ground and the Joint Chiefs might have a different scenario about Iraq.....obama if he makes it (L-rd, let us not go again with another bush like) obama will have to play the hand he is dealt....and if you believe obama will have the troops home by December 09 then folks you really should stay out of the voting booth....

[Yavin4]

43. The Generals Want To Leave Iraq

It's the neocons and the Republicans that want to stay there indefinitely.

[cottonseed]

53. All dissenting voices in the military have been purged

or suppressed. There's a long line of generals and military folk that can be called upon to put up against these Bush lackeys.

[barb162]

57. You make some excellent points. I think Clinton is much more able

to see nuances about the situation than Obama and basically it's because she is experienced.

"At least HRC has left the door open becasue she understands the generals on the ground...."

[LSK]

82. I guess you missed the past 5 years where many generals have QUIT

They do not like this war any more than anyone else does.

[Major Hogwash]

56. In other words - Obama has coattails!

Hillary doesn't.

[Yavin4]

65. Exactly

Hillary would probably win against McCain, but the Republicans would well down the ticket, which will leave us in almost the same position as we are in today. We'd have razor thin majorities in both chambers of congress, and four more years of complete gridlock.

[CyberPieHole]

66. Obam has coattails and Farrakhan and Rezko are sitting on them...

:hi:

[Major Hogwash]

68. I really don't think Farrakhan is much of an issue.

And Rezko was already dealt with, so . . .

[CyberPieHole]

71. Ask Jeremiah Wright the leader of the black separatist church Obama belongs to...

the man Obama called his Mentor, the man who praised Farrakhan...the RW will tie these guys in a neat little bundle for our delectation.

Rezko is in court and Obama will be dragged into it. We can only hope for the worst.:evilgrin:

[cali]

75. It's hiarious that you're

hopes are destined to be crushed. Can't wait to see Hilly Heather heads explode. Anyone who isn't blind or ignorant knows that Rezco is not an issue. How? Obama is not on a witness list and has been cleared by Fitz. How fabulous is it that the HIlly heathers hopes are destined to be dashed on the rocks of reality. And yes, Obama will have to deal with his church/Wright. Fortunately, he's not inept like Hillary. Can't wait to see your reaction on Tuesday night. I'll be laughing my ass off.

[barb162]

95. Barak's connections with that slumlord in his old district will not be flattering

Don't be so sure that Rezko won't be biting a big piece of Barak's ass by the time it's over.


The Rezko Connection: Obama's Achilles Heel?
By BRIAN ROSS and RHONDA SCHWARTZ
Jan. 10, 2008
In sharp contrast to his tough talk about ethics reform in government, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., approached a well-known Illinois political fixer under active federal investigation, Antoin "Tony" Rezko, for "advice" as he sought to find a way to buy a house shortly after being elected to the United States Senate.

snip
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4111483

[TheDonkey]

69. To bring new people and new energy to the Democratic party.

[Hepburn]

73. The biggest reason to support Obama is...

...that he is NOT Hillary Clinton who without a doubt would lose to John McCain.

If you want Prez McCain....work for Hillary to be the Dem nominee for 2008.

JMHO

[tabasco]

79. Clinton doesn't give a damn about soldiers, why should her supporters?

Any of the cowards in Congress who voted to give madman Bush a ticket to war don't care about death & destruction, only their political careers. I hate to say it but John Kerry and John Edwards included.

[Bluenorthwest]

84. And Obama is cool because he'll keep...

Blackwater USA in Iraq! Is that the best! Anti-war and backing Obama is simply a joke. For There is not anti-war candidate, he was too short, remember?
Obama is the pro-nuke, pro-Patriot Act, pro- funding, pro-Cheney Energy bill cheif of concessions to the GOP. And yet you are for him for being against Bush policy? Although he votes for all of them, by request, just like Hillary does? If you say so.

[tabasco]

92. Did Hillary say she would get rid of Blackwater?

I'll be waiting here for the link.

[Tennessee Gal]

88. And just what has Obama done since he has been in the Senate to

get our troops out of harms way?

[tabasco]

91. You mean what has Obama done to fix Clinton, et al's fuckup?

He has advocated for a withdrawal from Iraq.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/20/obama.iraq/index.html

[BigDDem]

85. "In order to get the troops out of Iraq"

is this the same Obama that keeps supporting the war via funding it?
Just wondering....

[quakerboy]

94. can you put that in pictoral form? n/t

[gravity]

96. He is a true leader who can move this country foreward

Politics in recent decades has just been about fighting the otherside, leaving the country divided.

Obama is the only politician I know who actually present themself as a leader. This is what our country needs more than anything, to move it in the right direction.