Hillary Clinton is going to win the primary and the presidency.

[jlake]

I know that is not the conventional wisdom around here. But I know that it is true.
We can either continue the slide into fascism or jolt back onto the right track.
I know that Hillary is the only candidate who will be able to save this county - and I know that she will win.

[Demagitator]

1. kick

:kick:

[Hillary_Hillary]

4. Right back at ya!

[rodeodance]

100. 3 is a charm:-)

[Reality Check]

200. Thanks for the positivity! Go Hillary!

[jlake]

227. Go Hillary!

[LeftyMom]

2. You wanna pass that over here?

The rest of us could use a little of whatever you're smoking.

[Name removed]

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[Hillary_Hillary]

6. Want some Kool-Aid with that?

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[AZBlue]

237. Calling a DU'er out for low post count is not only extremely rude, it's

also against DU rules. I've alerted.

[superkia]

231. You took my thoughts from exactly.NT

[Hillary_Hillary]

3. I hear ya 100%. You are my favorite person at Obama Underground.

[scheming daemons]

142. You've been here ONE day...... LOL

Unless..... yes...... of course....


HI PROUD2BAMURKIN!!!!!

[Forkboy]

166. And one day was all it lasted.

:rofl:

[FrenchieCat]

7. Yeah...she is in

[jlake]

11. The Twilight Zone is people actually thinking Obama

will bring change, is a liberal, cares about the average American, is a good man, is electable etc etc etc.

[FrenchieCat]

Well we know why you think he is not electable......

and like Castro/Castro, you wish for us Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton.

Many of us ain't buying it. Sorry Bud! :shrug:

Barack Obama is attracting jaw-dropping crowds at stop after stop. Democratic rival Hillary Rodham Clinton would be thrilled with her own big turnouts except that his are so much bigger.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/111326

Obama crowds overwhelm organizers
Organizers of Barack Obama's Iowa campaign were forced to move today's Ames rally to a larger venue due to the larger-than-expected interest in the Democrat Presidential hopeful.
http://pressesc.com/index.php?q=01171201105_obama_crowsd_overwhelm_organizers

ROAD TO THE WHITE HOUSE
Obama's crowd runneth over
http://www.thestar.com/article/302665

Obama crowds in Houston
Four hours and counting before his first Houston appearance, Barack Obama was already packing them in.
At 4 p.m., more than 500 people — a mixed crowd of African Americans, young Hispanics and whites — were lined up outside the Toyota Center, spilling into downtown streets, for an expected 8 p.m. appearance.
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/02/19/obama_crowds_in_houston.html

[jlake]

70. Why don't you learn to use the litterbox rather than fling shit all over and spam

the board with nonsense.

[Greyskye]

204. self delete

[Petrushka]

104. Big cities = big crowds. Small towns = small crowds . . . but crowds, nonetheless!

Despite falling snow and slippery roads the other night, it was standing-room only for HRC's campaign speech and town-meeting in St. Clairsville OH . . . but . . . tens of thousands of stay-at-home citizens in the upper Ohio Valley's tri-state area (Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia) were also in attendance, thanks to the magic of a live television broadcast from WTOV-9 in Steubenville OH.

======================
Edited to add that my message was meant to be in reply to a post by FrenchieCat--a post which has no post number! :shrug:

[Ken Burch]

96. what did he ever do to you?

You can't just hate on the guy like this, you've gotta have a case why your candidate is better.

And, given that all your posts on this thread have been pure abuse, you don't.

Typical DLC'er.

[anamandujano]

217. It's mass psychosis, crowd mentality, very sad and scary.

[damonm]

246. Oh, yes. Definitely the way to make people like your candidate -

Insult their intelligence for supporting another.

We obviously have here a Magna Cum Laude graduate of the Michael Savage charm school...:sarcasm:

[emilyg]

8. From your keyboard

to God's e-mail, please.

[jlake]

16. Let us hope. Yes She Can!

[FrenchieCat]

89. You guys can only "NOPE"....

[Ken Burch]

97. Why do you want the blander and more conservative candidate?

Why do you want the person no one can feel passionate about?

Is there any good reason for us to run yet another "Eat Your Spinach" campaign in the fall?

[jlake]

171. I feel passionate about her. Please save your hate for the Republicans.

[nonconformist]

201. Some of us feel that Obama is the more conservative candidate.

And I can feel passionately about Hillary, but bottom line, I don't need a savior, and I don't need to be uplifted... I need RESULTS.

[rodeodance]

88. or the goddesses

[Submariner]

9. You wanna make a big dollar bet on that?

I'm in for a thousand bucks.....you?

[jlake]

13. Some of us aren't latte liberals with thousands to throw around.

That is why I can't bet it all on false hope.

[dkf]

17. You are calling your Hillary prediction a false hope?

Interesting.

[jlake]

21. No, I think you purposely misunderstood.

I don't even have a spare thousand dollars. -- that is why I can't afford to bet my whole life on the false hope promised by Obama.

[ingac70]

29. If you are so sure she will win..

there are no worries. An easy one thousand bucks... if you really believe your own words.

[jlake]

31. Dupe.

[ingac70]

35. You don't have to have it...

If Hillary is such a sure bet. You just make the bet and collect your winnings.

[jlake]

40. I have never heard of someone placing a bet without money - very odd.

[jlake]

32. I don't have a thousand bucks... why is that so hard to comprehend?

[Hawkeye-X]

151. I'll go with $10

If you can spare it.

[Ken Burch]

103. Why back HRC, when the Nineties prove she'll govern as a Republican?

There's NO HOPE at all with her?

It's bullshit to say that a corporate fixer and an insider could care about workers and the poor.

[jlake]

189. LOL Exactly! That is why I support Hilly over BO

[Ken Burch]

193. You WANT another Democrat that governs like a Repuiblican?

Great. :eyes: :puke:

[jlake]

209. No, BO is far to the right of Hillary - not to mention a raging homophobe.

[motocicleta]

95. Dude

don't let the door smack ya on the ass on yer way out, ok?

[Ken Burch]

102. You'd prefer to lose for sure on no hope?

We both know there will be no massive crowds for HRC in the fall and no big voter turnout. She can't inspire passion. Nobody wants to settle for tinkering and miniprograms.

[jlake]

229. I prefer real hope with a strong track record of fighting the cons.

[NDambi]

116. you sound jealous 'cuz you don't have extra cheddar to toss around

[YOY]

138. You know who talks like that..."latte liberals"...

Republicans...

Of course you know that already...

...like Hillary and her followers have a better feel for what the common man thinks...you are doing more damage than help at this point in time. You know that as well, of course.

[DS1]

164. latte liberals? fuck off

[jlake]

230. Yeah, anyone who has a grand to throw around on a stupid bet is a latte liberal.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

212. "latte liberals"--HAHAHA.

I, for one, hate lattes.

:P

[Starbucks Anarchist]

228. I don't have $10 to throw around, and I voted for Obama.

Any more bullshit stereotypes you want to throw out?

[11 Bravo]

177. Wow, how ballsy! A big bucks bet on an anonymous internet message board!

No doubt if you lost you would pay up in an instant! Hell, I'll bet one trillion dollars on it!

[Hillary_Hillary]

10. The Obamamites will go nuts over this post....

[jlake]

14. That makes it all the sweeter.

[TSIAS]

18. Nope

We stopped caring about what this guy had to say weeks ago.

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[FrenchieCat]

23. Yes, you know each and everyone of us so well!

[jlake]

36. All sheep sound the same to me.

[FrenchieCat]

46. But assholes come in different sizes....

[jlake]

49. You would know.

[FrenchieCat]

61. Yep.......

That I do.

[Buzz Clik]

144. Nobody goes to Obama rallies anymore. They're too crowded.

[liberalnurse]

12. I agree

It's only logical.

[Hawkeye-X]

152. hey LN - you do know that you look very petty

with that signature of yours? I suggest that you get rid of it - and real soon.

[Yael]

186. 5 more days and then a week to get her head out of the clouds.

[wundermaus]

15. The slide into totalitarianism is past tense...

We are already there. She nor any other "sElected" leader will change that fact. We neglected our liberty and freedom to death. It won't come back by any "other" means... It won't be willingly handed back to the people. Slavery is a weak negotiating position to be in... and we are there brothers and sisters. You may think we can turn this ship around but we've already breached the falls - It's a race to the bottom for about 98% of us... happy landings.

[jlake]

25. We are nowhere near all the way there..... that is an absurd exaggeration.

[wundermaus]

235. Funny, that has a familiar ring to it...

The Jews of Germany said the same thing in the 30's... coincidence? Naw... Must be an "absurd exaggeration"!

[Liquorice]

19. She is going to be an incredible president! nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. The FIX is in? That was real classy how she joined in with Bush & McCain today

attacking the progressive democratic anti war candidate.

[jlake]

27. Obama is neither progressive nor anti war.

[jackson_dem]

37. Why would they attack Kucinich? Has he stormed back into the race?

[ingac70]

26. You work for Diebold? n/t.

[jlake]

28. No, like I said, I am pulling for Hillary not the establishment pick - Obama.

[ingac70]

30. Ah yes, Obama is the establishment candiate...

:crazy:

[jlake]

33. Yes, he clearly is.

[Ken Burch]

196. Y'know, you need to actually start making arguements to back these posts up.

Things aren't so just because you say they are.

You've never made a single post anywhere to actually explain your hatred of the Senator from Illinois. You act like he's the antichrist yet we have no idea why you feel this way. Please, explain yourself.

[jackson_dem]

38. Who is getting 4 out of 5 corporate media newspaper endorsements?

[DesEtoiles]

48. Where does Hillary's money come from? BIG CORPORATE donors.

[sueragingroz]

117. Excelon much?

[jackson_dem]

182. The same place as Obama's

The anti-corporate candidate finished a distant third. If Obamites really cared about corporate dominance...

[rodeodance]

60. He sure is but be he has DUPED the Obamafolk into thinking he is the "outsider"!! ha ha

[nonconformist]

202. Turn on the news. nt

[DesEtoiles]

44. Newsflash - Hillary is the establishment pick.

[rodeodance]

86. silly---they want the weak guy to run

[Ken Burch]

98. A Hillary nomination HAS to be a defeat for progressives.

She can't be on our side after the Nineties.

[karynnj]

128. LOL

The CLINTONs are the Democratic establishment and have been since 1992. Bill Clinton's inane attempt to call Obama the establishment candidate is laughable. After all isn't the DL in DLC - Democratic Leadership and isn't HRC in their leadership? Isn't Bill Clinton the former President? Haven't they fought any other faction whenever it has had some power?

[Hawkeye-X]

154. Once again you have it BACKWARDS.

Hillary has been and ALWAYS has been the establishment pick.

Please, oh PLEASE provide proof that Obama is the establishment pick - just because he's leading DOES not mean he is the establishment pick - it means he's the PEOPLE's choice.

Hawkeye-X

[theboss]

178. That's hysterical

If Hillary was any more of an establishment, she would be the Brown Derby.

(Does the Brown Derby even exist anymore? In my world, it is always 1955).

[MadBadger]

34. Bookmarked.

[jlake]

43. Good. You'll see how right I am.

[Hawkeye-X]

155. And when you are SO wrong, will you apologize in public

and slap yourself silly and have a Obama '08 tattooed to your forehead and go out in public for the next 4 years?

Hawkeye-X

(at least apologizing will be fine)

[jlake]

165. I will congratulate Obama on the successful smear campaign - and leave the party.

[Ken Burch]

197. Obama didn't smear HRC

She's losing because people see her for what she is: a smug conservative hawk.

And they don't like what they see.

The party doesn't want to nominate Scoop Jackson in a pantsuit.

[martymar64]

206. Then you be the equivalent of a Naderite

If you're willing to throw the election to McCain, you'll have earned it.

[Andromeda]

39. I hope the universe is listening!

Go Hillary!

[DesEtoiles]

41. Hillary does not deserve to be the nominee, after the sloppy, dirty race she has run.

[jlake]

47. Obama is running a filthy campaign...and to accuse Hillary of that is sickening.

[DesEtoiles]

52. What was all that screeching from HIllary this weekend?

[jlake]

54. Calling attention to Obama's dirty campaigning.....blaming the victim again I see.

[DesEtoiles]

56. Hillary - ready to whine on day one.

[DesEtoiles]

57. Hillary - ready to whine on day one.

[DesEtoiles]

58. Where is HIllary's ground game? Where is her local organizing?

[jlake]

63. Thank you for your concern. I know you care.

[rodeodance]

90. you have been the biggest whiner on this thread.

[rodeodance]

87. Her expect her to sit back and be stepped on by BO??--get real!

[Hawkeye-X]

157. Oil change needed for Hillary..

and a major removal of certain lips from buttock surgery.

[Hawkeye-X]

156. Once again, PLEASE provide proof that Obama is running a dirty campaign

And mailers does not count.

Please provide complete and undeniable proof that Obama is running a dirty campaign?

Hawkeye-X

[rodeodance]

50. Why did BO believe a RW slim Drudge? Talk about dirty campaigns!

[MadBadger]

53. Cuz Hillary's Campaign Hires people to leak things to drudge?

:shrug:

[DesEtoiles]

62. And then HRC lies about it when she gets caught.

[rodeodance]

71. GOT any PROOF??

[rodeodance]

64. And you got duped into believing that dripple. Drudge had NO evidence. get that!

[MadBadger]

67. There is no denying that the HRC camp has hired people to leak things to drudge.

[rodeodance]

75. I will deny it

[MadBadger]

78. Well here you go from Marc Ambinder

The Photo, Cont. Cont.
25 Feb 2008 01:19 pm

I asked Tracy Sefl, the Clinton adviser who was outed a few months back as an informal conduit between the Clinton campaign and Matt Drudge, whether she had anything to do with the photo's journey to Drudge's e-mail inbox.

"No," she said.


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/the_photo_cont_cont.php

[rodeodance]

82. she said no

[MadBadger]

84. All I'm saying is there is a history...So I can see why BO would believe something like that.

[rodeodance]

99. And all I am saying is that is the BO camp that has a history of dirty politics

[MadBadger]

101. Actually, in our conversation, that isnt what you were saying. n/t

[rodeodance]

130. the beginning of this subthread leads my comment.

[GOTV]

160. Whoooosh! You missed it....

... the question at had wasn't weather the HRC organization released the photo to Drudge, the question in this sub thread was weather HRC had people whose function was leaking things to Drudge. This article claims that such a person does exist.

[jlake]

66. Yeah, she hired someone to leak a photo that had been published weeks prior.....

What a fucking stupid claim....and where's the evidence?

[MadBadger]

77. I didnt say this one, but she has hired people in the past. From Marc Ambinder's Blog

The Photo, Cont. Cont.
25 Feb 2008 01:19 pm

I asked Tracy Sefl, the Clinton adviser who was outed a few months back as an informal conduit between the Clinton campaign and Matt Drudge, whether she had anything to do with the photo's journey to Drudge's e-mail inbox.

"No," she said.



http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/the_photo_cont_cont.php

[GOTV]

161. That wasn't the claim made, read back through the thread. n/t

[rodeodance]

74. How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.

read it and digest it.

Forum Name Editorials & Other Articles
Topic subject Race Man - How Obama Played the Race Card
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x341223#341223
341223, Race Man - How Obama Played the Race Card
Posted by SayitAintSo on Wed Feb-27-08 05:55 PM

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304



Race Man
by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008

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After several weeks of swooning, news reports are finally being filed about the gap between Senator Barack Obama's promises of a pure, soul-cleansing "new" politics and the calculated, deeply dishonest conduct of his actually-existing campaign. But it remains to be seen whether the latest ploy by the Obama camp--over allegations about the circulation of a photograph of Obama in ceremonial Somali dress--will be exposed by the press as the manipulative illusion that it is.

Most of the recent correctives have concerned outrageously deceptive advertisements approved and released by Obama's campaign. First, in Iowa, the Obama camp aired radio ads patterned on the notorious "Harry and Louise" Republican propaganda from 1993, charging falsely that Senator Hillary Clinton's health care proposal would "force those who cannot afford health insurance to buy it, punishing those who won't fall in line." In subsequent primary and caucus campaigns, the Obama campaign sent out millions of mailers, also featuring the "Harry and Louise" motif, falsely claiming that Clinton favored "punishing families who can't afford health care in the first place." A few bloggers and columnists, notably Paul Krugman in The New York Times, described the ads as distorting, but the national press corps mainly ignored them--until Clinton herself, seeing the fraudulent mailers reappear in Ohio over the past weekend, publicly denounced them.

The Obama mass mailings also attempt to appeal to Ohio's labor vote by claiming that Clinton believed that the North American Free Trade Agreement, signed in 1993 by President Bill Clinton, was a "'boon' to our economy." More falsehood: In fact, Clinton had not said that; Newsday originally applied the word "boon" and has now noted the Obama campaign's distortion. In this campaign, Clinton has called for a moratorium on all trade agreements until they are made consistent with labor and environmental standards--and account for the effect on jobs in the United States. Obama makes a big deal about how Bill Clinton signed NAFTA. But he fails to mention that, within the councils of her husband's administration, Hillary Clinton was a skeptic of free trade agreements, and as a senator and candidate she has said that NAFTA contained flaws that need to be rectified. Ignoring all that, the Obama flyer features an alarming photograph of closed plant gates, having no connection to any action of Senator Clinton's, as well as the dubious quotation about her from Newsday in 2006. Newsday has criticized "Obama's use of the quotation" as "misleading ... an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try and win an office." Obama, without retracting the mailing (and while playing to protectionist sentiment in the party) said only that he would have his staff look into the matter--long after the ad has done its dirty work.

Misleading propaganda is hardly new in American politics --although the adoption of techniques reminiscent of past Republican and special-interest hit jobs, right down to a retread of the fictional couple, seems strangely at odds with a campaign that proclaims it will redeem the country from precisely these sorts of divisive and manipulative tactics. As insidious as these tactics are, though, the Obama campaign's most effective gambits have been far more egregious and dangerous than the hypocritical deployment of deceptive and disingenuous attack ads. To a large degree, the campaign's strategists turned the primary and caucus race to their advantage when they deliberately, falsely, and successfully portrayed Clinton and her campaign as unscrupulous race-baiters--a campaign-within-the-campaign in which the worked-up flap over the Somali costume photograph is but the latest episode. While promoting Obama as a "post-racial" figure, his campaign has purposefully polluted the contest with a new strain of what historically has been the most toxic poison in American politics.

More than any other maneuver, this one has brought Clinton into disrepute with important portions of the Democratic Party. A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students. The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card" before the primaries began, launched it with a vengeance when Obama ran into dire straits after his losses in New Hampshire and Nevada--and thereby created a campaign myth that has turned into an incontrovertible truth among political pundits, reporters, and various Obama supporters. This development is the latest sad commentary on the malign power of the press, hyping its own favorites and tearing down those it dislikes, to create pseudo-scandals of the sort that hounded Al Gore during the 2000 campaign. It is also a commentary on how race can make American politics go haywire. Above all, it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama's supposedly uplifting campaign.

[Auntie Bush]

205. You have no proof of that what so ever! Are you psychic?

Stop rumor mongering. You're as bad as Drudge!

[Marrah_G]

121. UNITY! HOPE! CHANGE!

It's Obama supporters like you that make me so damned excited to work with his campaign if he wins the nomination. Your fairness, inclusiveness and courtesy and respect for others is truly a beacon of light for those of us currently supporting Hillary!

Yes We Can!


:eyes:

[The Inquisitive]

42. You have me convinced!

When I first read you're thread title my initial impression was 'you're gonna need a lot of evidence to back that claim up', but you're thread completely blew me away! Here I was cynical ol me thinking someone had simply posted a trite feel good thread devoid of any substance whatsoever in hopes of generating enough noise in GD to drown out the sound of Hillary's swan song. BOY WAS I WRONG!

... According to my theory I just did you a favor!

[CyberPieHole]

45. Now that is what I like to read!

I, too believe Hillary Clinton can win the nomination and if she does she will definitely win the GE. Thanks for posting this, jlake.

:kick: and rec.

[jlake]

51. Yes! Go Hillary!

[DesEtoiles]

55. Well, sitting around here and typing comments at DU really helps Hillary...

[jlake]

59. I have volunteered everyday for her campaign and make phone calls during any downtime....

I am just about to slip into bed - just needed a few minutes to share my feelings.... but thanks for giving me the strength to keep going......

[DesEtoiles]

65. shouldn't you be making some now? She needs a lot of help.

[jlake]

68. Thanks for your concern. It is the middle of the night.

[CyberPieHole]

93. I don't know what cretin you were responding to...

they or it is on my ignore list...but keep up the good work jlake. I love people like you. The best time to support a candidate is when they need our help, and support. I continue to send what little money I have because I believe that Hillary can do great things for America.

My chapeau is off to you, jlake!:hi:

[CreekDog]

69. You and I don't know the sun will even rise tomorrow

So, let's be a little more restrained about what we think we know about the future.

If you know that she's the best candidate, good for you, she is a Democrat and saying you think she is the best should be welcome around here.

Saying you know she is going to win is a prediction and none of us knows the future.

[jlake]

73. Of course - but that means Obama's win is not inevitable.

[CreekDog]

94. true, though more likely at this point

:hi:

[LadyVT]

72. Thanks. :)

[Inchworm]

76. Bless yer heart

I love her too.

:hug:

[avrdream]

79. I love your enthusiasm.

Seriously, when I was really down in the dumps last week about Hillary making it, I read some of your threads. Your enthusiasm brought me back to reality. Thank you very much.

[rodeodance]

80. ~ALL FIRED UP FOR THE LADY~ YES SHE CAN~ YES WE WILL~

[cali]

109. Chant chant, chant

brainwashed, brainwashed, brainwashed.

[lligrd]

81. Hillary Is The Only One That Can Save This Country?

So now you are claiming she is a goddess? And you call us a cult? Unbelievable.

[meow mix]

83. good luck to hillary and her supporters...

coming down to the wire now.

:grouphug:

[cali]

85. How sad

how the hell are you going to deal with it if she doesn't get the nomination? I mean beyond your head exploding and all that. Odds are that she won't win, and no it won't be the end of the world. And no, you don't have a fucking clue about anything.

[rodeodance]

91. How s the heck you gonna dead with it?--got extra De-programing $$ saved?

[cali]

106. I'm not like you, dear

I've long said there are many good things about Clinton and that she's smart and competent. Unlike the robotic, programmed and mindless Hillary supporters (not all of them, but if the shoe fits...) I'll gladly vote for Clinton if she's the nominee. The OP and people like YOU are the ones that see things in simple minded terms and can't deal with the probability that Clinton is going to lose. Thank god, I'm not as stupid as.... well, you know.

[jlake]

140. Cali,

This is a hateful post. You were being nice for a while....Thanks for your concern. I'll take note of it.

[johnnydrama]

92. people are misrepresenting what you said

She can go ahead and be President of your county, I don't have a problem with that.

The rest of the us will be glad that Obama is President of the rest of The United States.

[gerrilea]

105. I've been saying this for weeks now. Finally someone else agrees

Great post!

[cali]

108. What do you base it on?

What do you think happens if she loses TX or OH? Do you even understand that that's a distinct possibility? Do you know by how many pledged delegates she trails? Do you know that the SD gap has been closing swiftly? Are you aware that PA is now just about tied? Where does she make up the pledged delegates? Do you know which states come after Tuesday? Is there any LOGIC behind your conviction or is it simply faith based?

[Guava Jelly]

107. Fascism?

This is a silly argument to throw against an Obama nomination.
That said a sincere Good luck to Mrs. Clinton and her supporters from a guy who is voting Obama

[Chisox08]

110. Hillary can not save anytrhing

It was the politics of the last 28 years, in which Hillary is deely entrenched in, is what got us in to the situation we are in today. She once said in a campaign speach that "it took a Clinton to clean up after the first Bush". Well the only thing that got us was another Bush. Jlake you know the definition of insanity is doing the samething over and over again and expecting a differnt result. Electing Hillary is ask for more Bush in 2016.
Hillary isn't for the people as much as she claims to be. She supported NAFTA, she voted for the Iraq War Resolution, the bankrupcy bill and her healthcare package rewards the insurance companies for years of unscruplous practices which led to the healthcare crises of today.
I'm not saying the Obama is the best candidate, Dennis Kucinich was, but between the two he is the better choice. If anything you should be jumping on Hillary for waiting to run in 2008 instead of running in 2004 when there was a huge support of a Hillary Clinton Presidency. She would have defeated Kerry in the primary and Bush in the GE.

[Marrah_G]

122. And you can't spell "anything".....

(I just couldn't resist)

[karynnj]

135. I am not sure that she would have defeated Kerry in the primaries - but I do know that she would

have lost to Bush. The key to 2004 was national security credentials. Kerry's far exceed HRC's - and I am not speaking about Vietnam. Kerry was one of the few people in government who understood the threat of non-state terrorism in the 1990s per comments made by Richard Clarke in 2004. He was the one who fought against everyone on BCCI and he wrote a book that is still a great description of the way that criminal networks, including drug rings and terrorists have become global necessitating new ways to fight them using international cooperations.

What Kerry had from Vietnam was that it showed him to be a person of character and integrity, who was smart enough to use all the information available and devise an innovative way to respond to attacks that would very likely have killed some of his men otherwise. His Senate hearings showed a willingness to speak truth to power, knowing it could destroy any political career. Additionally, in addition to speaking about ending the war and changing the wrong headed foreign policy behind it, he spoke eloquently about the need to not abandon the veterans - speaking of horrors in the lack of medical treatment that sound like the Walter Reed stuff. (It would have been a piece of cake for the Republicans to dredge up all the Clintons are against the military stuff from the 1990s. Kerry never wrote in a snarky letter "some people loathe the military" (yes, I know that was Bill not HRC). By November, most people who ever would have voted for Kerry and many who never would knew the SBVT were liars.)

McAuliffe, Carville and Begala and others have all written books that magnify the flaws of Kerry's campaign. I suspect that these accounts will be taken with a giant grain of salt in the future. The campaign that HRC has run for the nomination is nowhere near Kerry's excellent primary campaign. Even his general election run, harmed by insiders brought in for the General Election who whined to the media incessantly that he was deviating from Bill Clinton's advice will look great compared to her mess of a primary run. Even if she pulls it out, it will be after destroying an incredible amount of goodwill for the Clintons that Democrats had going into this.

[bowens43]

111. How would having McCain be president help stop the slide??

[Hepburn]

112. Apparently you have gone from just drinking the Kool Aid...

...to taking it IV.

Get well soon...being delusional is such a pity.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

113. Is this in-fighting constructive or fun? The enemy is the murderous GOP, no?

[billyoc]

114. That's the spirit! Keep Hope Aliv--, oops.

Sorry. :blush:






:rofl:

[NDambi]

115. okay

[BringBigDogBack]

118. lol

[LaurenG]

119. You could be right, I'll bookmark this post and if she wins

I'll bring it up. It she doesn't I won't say a word.

[Marrah_G]

120. Clinton might win. Obama might win. None of us knows for sure.

[Skidmore]

123. Did * loan her his handy dandy

vote counting machine?

[JVS]

124. Are you Clairvoyant?

[kid a]

125. Yea..and the Iraqis will greet us with flowers, there are WMDs in Iraq and other pipe dreams

You are just as biased as any Obamamaniac.

Which makes your credibility zilch.

[Occam Bandage]

126. The deeper the denial goes, the ruder the shock when it becomes untenable.

[karynnj]

127. From divine relevation?

You can THINK that she will will and you can THINK that she is the only candidate who can save the country, but there is no way to KNOW that either of these are true.

Now, which campaign is cult-like?

[rodeodance]

131. nah--we leave that stuff you all.

[Warren Stupidity]

129. I am going to win the lottery and I haven't even bought a ticket!

This I know to be true.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

132. yes we will hear these words spoken ..."Madame President"

[zulchzulu]

133. In 2016, she'll be pretty old, so I doubt it...

[Hepburn]

136. OMG....I love the graphic!

Did you make it?? :applause:

[zulchzulu]

150. You're free to use it

Did I make it?

:rofl:

[Buzz Clik]

145. Oh, my. That was harsh.

But, reality has a way of being harsh. :shrug:

[Raffi Ella]

134. I believe that too.

I know that's crazy with how things have gone over the last 10 states but I honestly don't believe America will choose Barack over Hillary.I really do think they will wake up and realize how important this is and vote for Hillary.

[SeaLyons]

137. Yes She Is

She is going to win....she has tremendous support out there which goes completely unreported, and there might be some very shocked people on this board before it's over.

Here's to Hillary!!

[Raffi Ella]

147. YES!

It is crazy that they describe 35 million dollars raised for Hillary as "dwindling resources"!!!

People want her to win this.We LOVE her and feel about her the same way Obama followers do about him but the msm reports it as "The public will be shocked if Obama doesn't win this and think they were robbed"!

So fucking what if they will be dissapointed!????I WILL BE TOO if HIllary doesn't win this.Hillary is beloved and we want her probably more than Obama's people want him!

HILLARY 08!!!!!

[Buzz Clik]

139. I like the positive vibes. It's clear that you have THE math...

THE math says Hillary needs to win big in Texas and Ohio to stand a chance of moving forward.

Here's the trends in Texas:



She's not winning big. She's not winning at all.


Here's the trends in Ohio:



She's winning, but just barely.

No big wins, no nomination.

It ain't over yet, but don't buy your plane tickets to the inauguration.

[adapa]

141. go right on believing the trends of last week- Clinton/Obama 2008

Clinton/Obama

[Buzz Clik]

143. Polls are polls. They are, however, more meaningful than cheery proclamations in the face of defeat.

[adapa]

146. I happened to be one of the few who predicted NH would be a tie....

but go on thinking you all have it wrapped up

[Buzz Clik]

148. I'm bookmarking this one.

You're the one making predictions, not me. I'll put this up front and center on Wednesday morning.

[thevoiceofreason]

149. I'll bet you a six-pack of Shiner Bock on that one

[rAVES]

153. Chu chuuuu! goes the inevitability train.. right off the cliff.. 4 months ago..

[mckeown1128]

158. She cannot win mathamatically....

unless she wins by twenty percentage points in EVERY single remaining state. Including the 8 or so that Obama is expected to do well in like Vermont and Mississippi.

[ORDem]

159. Are you a Hillary Fundamentalist and did God tell you this? n/t

:dem:

[onenote]

162. I'm going to win a $200 million in the lottery and spend it getting a veto proof senate

I know it.

Hey, if you can think positively, so can I.

[jlake]

180. Good. I am pulling for you.

[stevietheman]

163. You're going to be awful sad on Wednesday morning. n/t

n/t

[anonymous171]

167. LOL!!!

Bumping because this is retarded and it's funny to watch you flail.

[galadrium]

168. Love that, Obama = fascism

That argument is about as convincing as Hillary's whole campaign.

[HeraldSquare212]

169. Which primary is she going to win?

[totodeinhere]

170. Your contention that we will slide into fascism is Clinton doesn't win...

is an absolute outrage. Obama is not a fascist.

(Edited for typo.)

[jmg257]

172. You must have picked the Patriots to win the SuperBowl too. :) nt

[anamnua]

173. Amen, sock it to 'em, Hill! nt

[anonymous171]

174. NEW HILL TALKING POINT!

Obama=fascist

Brilliant

[proud2BlibKansan]

175. Do you believe in the tooth fairy as well?

[Lucinda]

176. Works for me!

:hi:

[0007]

179. The girl will take us into second hand fascism

Even jake, the plumber, hes a man I adore
Had the nerve to tell me has been married before!

Everyone knows that Im just
Second hand rose
From second avenue!

[elixir]

181. Kick and kaboodle...

[Orsino]

183. Well, I guess that settles it.

I hope you'll be okay if she doesn't, though.

(Not trying to sound snotty here; I'm sure the Democratic nominee will take the White House, too, but mainly I hope we can get that president to work for us.) :hi:

[Alexander]

184. And if she doesn't, you'll vote McCain and we'll be rid of your trolling.

[zulchzulu]

185. WTF? "continue the slide into fascism..."?

So voting for a banana republic candidate is not fascism?

Do you want to wager any money? I'll bet a grand.

[dionysus]

187. to quote B-Real "can i get a hit of that weed...."

[jlake]

190. Mine is a sober vision, unimpaired by Koolaid.

[dionysus]

191. and totally unencumbered with anything resembling intelligent thought patterns...

[jlake]

192. Okay - we shall see.

[bunnies]

188. What color is the sky in your alternate universe?

Just curious. Here, its blue in the day... black at night.

[jlake]

236. You tell me - My bet would be koolaid red.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

194. Uh huh.

And Al Gore didn't win a Nobel Prize.

[jlake]

203. Take your snark elsewhere.... to one of the dozens of Obama worship threads perhaps?

[Beacool]

195. Like they say: from your lips to God's ears.............

I wish that I had your optimism, but I guess that only time will tell.

[cloudythescribbler]

198. If your prediction of an HRC victory is right -- then GO TO InTrade and CLEAN UP!!!!! nt

I don't think so -- but hey, that's me.

[jlake]

211. I would if I had money to spare and believed in gambling.

[SidneyCarton]

199. Good God People! Have you all gone mad?

What do you know about Fascism anyway? Certainly, Obama cannot be any worse than the crypto-fascists that currently occupy the White House? Do you fear his charisma? I can understand that, but while speeches alone do not a Martin Luther King make, charisma and a dedicated following do not automatically add up to Hitler either.

[guidod]

207. You're really bored...

aren't you?

[jlake]

210. No, just excited about Hillary's victory!

[guidod]

214. It's nice to see

someone so involved, and positive, about their beliefs. I really mean that. Will you support Obama if he does happen to win in the primaries? He could use the support from someone as committed as you. :-)

[jlake]

216. Thank you. Yes, he could. Unfortunately, I am not welcome in his tent.

[guidod]

218. Every tent

is open for anyone in the General. :-)

[jlake]

220. Obama has made it painfully obvious he does not respect the GLBT community

and I won't forget.

[guidod]

224. How so?

My brother is gay and he's willing to put that single issue aside for the betterment of the Country. Why do you accept the Clinton's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" program and the Clintons creation of NAFTA?

[jlake]

225. It's not about what BILL Clinton did. It's about how Obama's rhetoric doesn't match his actions

and I could put aside a single issue -- but I see a pattern.... his words ARE Empty - his actions tell me about the real Obama.

[avrdream]

208. Hmmmm, a lot of "Ignored"s in this thread.

You must have hit a nerve.

[apocalypsehow]

213. Bookmarking, for future reference.

n/t.

[RBInMaine]

215. REALITY CHECK: Half the country doesn't like her. Case closed.

[jlake]

221. That is also true of Obama, +/- 2 points.

[susankh4]

219. She needs to run THIS ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgNj6nd4i4M

Kinda says it all.

[SoxFan]

222. The Nationals are going to defeat the Royals

in the World Series.

[L0oniX]

223. ...

[jlake]

226. ESAD!

[superkia]

232. You do realize that she is the candidate that made these...

following statements.

She always talks about her experience being why she is THE ONE, but take a look at her speaking leading us into a war 5 years ago...

"And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation."


She also said that she didn't want war or think bush would use her vote to go to war.

"I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction."

And here her decision did exactly what she accused Saddam of doing.

"It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security."



How come so many people are delusional and cant see the reality of who she is and who she shares agendas with, wake up before its too late for our children...PLEASE!

No way in hell any intelligent, informed person would want that person to take control of our childrens future.

[rodeodance]

240. How many pillows do you need?---

[superkia]

241. I think you replied to the wrong post because thats obviously...

not a response to the facts that I pointed out.

[Gore1FL]

233. Actually both could do the job

I mean I know you are a fanatic for all things Hillary, but your threads seem to be filled with less facts than speculation. You could make good arguments for or against Hillary, and for or against Obama as the first choice with a little more effort. But mostly, I see flame bait for the sake of flame bait.

What's the point?

[FogerRox]

234. Thats right...

Donkey

[Dinger]

238. I'm Cool With That!

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

[rodeodance]

239. ******In Texas, Clinton Gets Girl Power

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject In Texas, Clinton Gets Girl Power
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4837131#4837131
4837131, In Texas, Clinton Gets Girl Power
Posted by sueragingroz on Sat Mar-01-08 05:39 PM

Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Dallas.

Sen. Hillary Clinton is hoping some good old-fashioned girl power can help her in the pivotal contests in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday.

Today in San Antonio Clinton stopped by a downtown hotel for a quick fund-raiser before traveling to Fort Worth and Dallas for rallies. The donors, who contributed an average of $250 and brought in roughly $200,000, got a surprise visit from feminist icon Gloria Steinem.

The activist and founder of Ms. magazine gave a nod to the few men in the audience promising to give them protection from the “upcoming revolution.” She said there are more women who identify as feminists than as Republicans.

She defended Clinton’s vote to authorize the war in Iraq, saying both former presidential nominees John Edwards and Sen. Joseph Biden voted the same way and were not attacked for it. Steinem said the storm of criticism Clinton has received from Sen. Barack Obama and others over her vote is a “double standard.”

Steinem recounted the history of South Texas and the fighting between the Spanish and the Native Americans. “Peace came in the form of a woman,” she said, implying that it can come again with Clinton.

It was a “you-go-girl” kind of day for Clinton, who also picked up the endorsement of “Desperate Housewives” star and native Texan Eva Longoria Parker and “Working Girl” star Melanie Griffith. The two actresses will be joining Clinton in Texas on Monday as she holds a live interactive “town hall” during which voters across Texas can ask questions via satellite.


From

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/01/in-texas-clinton-gets-girl-power/?mod=googlenews_wsj

[OzarkDem]

242. Obama has peaked,

and the country is better off for it. We don't need any more Repubs in the WH, even ones who are nominally Dems.

[Ken Burch]

244. There is no serious way that you can argue that Obama is to HRC's RIGHT.

It's not being Republican to bring new voters in.

HRC's biggest supporters don't really want her to win anyway. They want here to be the next designated loser until they can impose another right-winger like her husband as the nominee.

[JVS]

243. No she won't

[aquarius dawning]

245. yes, she will.