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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:14 AM
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Theory: HRC has decided to finish campaign on high note 3/5 with huge warchest
Closer examination of today's announcement that HRC had raised $ 35,000,000 in February brings forth the possibility of a different explanation of why the candidate has continued the campaign at full speed until atleast Mar 4th

First some assumptions
Summary
Because of the following

1) Clintons are smart
2) Not power obsessed but have back up plan
3) Impossible to make up delegate flow
4) Dramatic increase in Revenue
5) Attempt to grab control of media last weekend fails/polls drop - Debate emphasis fighter+informercial for money
6) After Debate nothing harsh that would neg impact GE
7) Ad buys are modest even though revenue is huge

Thesis

The best explanation for all of the facts above is that the Clintons have come to the conclusion that there is no way to stop Barack Obama. With the huge increase in donations there is no incentive for them to stop campaigning and stop the revenue flow. In this theory, the Clintons have decided to maintain the campaign to Mar 4th so that they can continue to generate revenue so that they can pay off their debts, repay the loan and leave the campaign with a significant war chest for the future.

They are not throwing in the 'kitchen sink' and going super negative nor are they going heavy in media buys.

That war chest could be used for her future campaigns but also as a PAC to support other candidates that would help build support for her next political move (majority leader of the Senate if Obama wins or seeds for Pres 08 if he loses). If this scenario is correct, it would be logical that she would end her campaign on Tuesday Mar 4th with a strong concession speech and leave the campaign on a high note with a grateful party and a huge $ warchest.


Details
1) The Clintons are not Uber-driven to the point that they do not know what the facts are. I do not accept it that they are so power hungry that they will continue the campaign until it is ripped out of their 'cold dead fingers'

2) The Clintons are smart and know more about strategic planning than anybody in the country (except for a skinny kid in Chicago and his bunch). They always have a plan b in the alternative.

3)They know that there is virtually no that they can reverse the flow of delegates to Obama. This is detailed her in some length

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4806123 but more interesting is this from Sen Schumer

(http://www.observer.com/2008/schumer-avoiding-self-destructive-end-clinton-vs-obama)


a) Cannot make up delegates
quote
Schumer also suggested that the current system of awarding pledged delegates is flawed. "The delegate counts are so close, and you can win a state by quite a lot and you still don't win the delegates by quite a lot,” he said. "Maybe that's a flawed system. But that will be for the next election, not this one.

"I think if you win a district 55 to 45," he said. "The delegates shouldn't be three to three. Yes, I think proportional representation makes some sense but they sort of overdid it."
unquote


The point here is that everyone talks about winning states - delegates are not won at the state level they are won at the Congressional District Level. In other words for Hillary to win back 100 delegates (her current deficit) she would have to get 65%++ in 50 6 delegate districts to get a 4-2 split. There are very few if any of these districts that she can do that in.

b) Schumer goes out of his way to send a signal that people do not need to worry about HRC doing anything to damage the chances in the GE.

quote
"The number one thing that people worry about is that the candidates will cut each other up and make it harder to win the general," he said. "But I think that is not going to happen.
unquote

4) Now comes a dramatic increase in revenue



quote
Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama continued to rewrite fundraising records this month, with Clinton announcing yesterday that she had rebounded from a disappointing showing in January to raise $35 million in February, by far her biggest one-month total of the campaign

The display of fundraising muscle came even as Clinton (N.Y.) slipped in national polls and suffered several setbacks at the ballot box. She said more than doubling what she had raised in January has left her well positioned for another primary-season comeback.
unquote

5) Last weekend she makes several well publicized attempts at changing the media perception and grabbing control of the media cycle but these attempts do not fair well and polls go down in Ohio and more importantly Texas.

At this point plan B makes more sense: Her debate is framed on a couple of key points that she is a fighter, she is fighting and she needs money to keep the fight going. Interestingly enough when it comes to the tax release question she flips from her previous position and kind of says sure why not after Mar 4th, almost like she knows that after Mar 4th it won't matter

6) After the debate no real negative attacks - nothing coming out that could be interperted as causing harm for the General Election.

7) Even though they have a vast increase in cash, their reported media buys are modest - a little over 10% of what they raised.

ibid quote
Evan Tracey, chief operating officer of the Campaign Media Analysis Group, said this week that Obama has spent more than $7 million in the two states and Clinton has spent about $4 million. Factoring in cable television ads, Obama has run more than 57,000 30-second spots and Clinton has aired about 31,000, according to an analysis by Tim Kay, director of political strategy at National Cable Communications
unquote

6/7 above simply do not reflect on a campaign that is going "all in" or "throwing in the kitchen sink"





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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:30 AM
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1. She's gonna linger after 3/5
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 04:30 AM by 48percenter
like a bad fart.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:41 AM
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2. well atleast your committed to the high ground
(it really does make one wonder what it was before you edited)
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:56 AM
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7. I edited for the date, I had 3/4.
:hi:

Don't worry, I'll vote for her if she gets the nomination, but I am really not happy with her tactics. MY opinion, YMMV.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:49 AM
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3. I think your analysis is strong
though of course, if she does surprisingly well on Tuesday in both TX and OH, she'll stay in. What I find most interesting is that she's not competitive re ad buys, and I don't think there's any doubt that TV advertising is critical in a close race. It's unlikely that she'll pull out big wins in TX or OH, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. And she may choose to stay in even if she only wins them by a few points. In addition, there are still 4 days left, and who knows what they have up their sleeves to toss at Obama.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:00 AM
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4. thank you and of course its just a theory -
but its not just the ad buy

1)its also since the debate its been relatively quiet and no negative stuff at all

2)they know that even if they win by small margins it won't change the delegate picture

3)she is tanking in Texas, for late in the campaign that is an unusually sharp change - and the campaigns internal polls always pick it up 2-3 days before the other polls. It appears like the antics over last week end went over in Texas literally like the proverbial lead balloon.

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:14 AM
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6. I actually have a theory about one component in her candidate
downfall. I've been hesitant to post it, because of it's potentially provocative, though I did write a post about it 8 or so months ago. I believe the ears have it. I know she's had extensive voice coaching, but there's still something about her voice that puts people off. Some of it, I think, is that she simply has a woman's voice, but there's more to than that. I think people can't imagine that voice as the voice of the President.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:02 AM
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12. its true and some of it is sexist and some of it is just HRC -
I had the same problem with Gore's public speaking voice - the sing songy thing he gets intosometimes grated on me. Of coursed I loved the man but sometimes these little things get really amplified.

It does make her "shame on you" tirade the worst possible shift in the campaign. For those that are affected by her voice having her say that just married her voice with the worst possible message that could have been imagined.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:11 AM
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5. I agree with all except your #2 under 'Details."
2) The Clintons are smart and know more about strategic planning than anybody in the country (except for a skinny kid in Chicago and his bunch). They always have a plan b in the alternative.

They had no Plan B for after February 5, Super Tuesday.

I still can't quite see them giving up and going away quietly.

I can see, however, staying in as long as possible to raise money. I'm sure her campaign has a lot of debt.



Peace:thumbsup:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:50 AM
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10. point taken
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:21 AM
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8. Nice analysis
Clinton calls a press conference to say she raised 35 million
Obama raised 50 million
Now I here that there may be a suit brought against Texas Caucus, its on the front page of DU
More legal maneuvering, doesn't look good
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:20 AM
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13. and you may be right
on the other hand if they have made a decision then all of the other activities of the campaign would still continue normally.

Since the debates however it is significant to note what they are not doing (1) no kitchen sink (2) modest ad buys
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:05 PM
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18. Yes I saw your write up on ads
57'000 for Obama to 31,000 Clinton
and a 6 point lead in Texas this morning.
you know Dave, he was doing numbers on the military vote, it will be interesting to see what it is here
and also the DA what that vote will be, are you gathering that info
if you are will you post
Thanks
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM
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19. I would be very interested in that
I know that Obama had a very strong ground campaign on military areas in TX - they were bringing in reservist officers to work hispanic areas for ex.

The Zogby numbers were very interesting http://images.chron.com/content/news/photos/08/02/28/Reuters_TX_Dem_2day_022808.pdf

becuase they show Obama taking the break on recently decided O 60+% (also tied on women)
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:44 PM
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22. The Zogby Poll very interesting
Obama is doing great, but Clinton had the Catholics
The income really is amazing, goes against everything that was said
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:17 PM
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20. Oh by the way updating SD numbers thru the day (+3 Obama today) here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4809460

BTW who is Dave - (I don't really know people's real name in here)


Craig Grant
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:30 PM
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21. corpgovactivist he got Tomb stoned a few weeks ago
he was doing alot number crunching, and included family stories, I miss his writing
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:15 PM
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24. yeah and I didnt see anything that he was writing that was that offensive
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:06 PM
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26. No, i didn't either, but I think he got caught up in one of
the Upright Citizens Brigades tit for tat, there was a thread about him, not by name but discussing why he was Tomb stoned, he had a lot of positive supporters, but that nosy old bunch have not let it go, they are still at it. Bait you till you get pissed, then alert. Such a shame. I hope he returns
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:40 PM
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29. but I never saw him really get close
I wonder if it was like a pay back call in a basketball game; after they tombstoned a bunch of Clinton folks they had to find an Obama guy that was near the line
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:04 PM
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31. Well he was interesting, and probably scared the bejeezus
out of a lot of people his message was intellectual.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:19 PM
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25. dang! I was wondering where he was.
:(
His posts were great and I miss him.

what a shame - I just can't see him be tombable compared to some over the top scummy vileness allowed here unabated by a precious few innoculated.

dang.
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:08 PM
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27. I miss him also
read my other post #26
I hope he returns
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:24 AM
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9. She is in all the way to the convention and will only quit once the final vote is taken there
even if she loses ever state from here on by a margin of 50%.

And then she would probably sue the Democratic Party itself to become the nominee! LOL

This is her best chance to become president.
2012 and 2016 are far less certain than now.
Many who joined her early this time will not do so next time.

They will have to rip it from "her cold dead fingers".

I would love to be wrong on this, but I doubt it.




Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:55 AM
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17. except - where is the kitchen sink and the ad buys
you could be right I just find it curious that her campaign has been so quiet all week.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:52 AM
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11. I think there's an excellent chance you're right.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:22 AM
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14. I don't think she will go quietly into that good night
Look, she's been positioning herself for this all of her life. She knew she would have one shot and that would be it. I think she's going to do anything and everything possible to fulfill her "destiny". I hope that I'm proven wrong.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:19 AM
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33. we will know in 4 days
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:29 AM
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15. Good question on the money - if she got 35 million, where is it going?
I agree with the analysis. It looks like people have been contributing to help Hillary pay off her debts and prepare for the future. That's just gotta suck...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:41 AM
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16. better than a last ditch drag out party destroying fight
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:05 PM
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23. if she invests that money wisely, she'll have a good campaign warchest in 2012.
even moreso in 2016.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:06 PM
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28. she could invest in Sen campaigns and then go on to Sen Maj Leader
Reid really doesn't have the stature we need
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:44 PM
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30. They are horrible strategic planners:
1) Never saw Obama coming, and failed to take him seriously.

2) Never saw 2008 as a change election until it was too late.

3) Never developed a small-donor and Internet fundraising base.

4) Never planned to contest caucus states on Super Tuesday.

5) Never planned to contest any state after Super Tuesday.

6) Didn't bother learning Texas's delegate allocation system until about two weeks ago.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 10:39 PM
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32. also didn't even bother to file a complete slate of delegates for PA
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:06 AM
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34. Interesting take...
hoping it pans out.
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denem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:10 AM
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35. 6) After the debate no real negative attacks - Is Out the Door
... it's 3.am. More like 11.55 pm.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:18 AM
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36. Yabbut, we haven't seen what she plans to do on Saturday.
I don't think it will be another "Yo mama yells at you" press conference.

Instead, she might have one where she says that we just can't trust Obama, and some other comment, to cast enough doubt on the water.

If she wins in Ohio, she stays in, according to one of her supporters.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:01 PM
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39. lol
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:26 AM
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37. She is campaigning because she has enough support to do so. simple as tthat.






the candidate has continued the campaign at full speed until atleast Mar 4th
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:53 AM
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38. I wonder if any of that 35 million is a Loan to herself again.
She loaned herself 5 mill before, we didn't find out about that till after Super Tuesday.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:03 PM
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40. Its good money
Now the Media is speculating that money not votes are the reason they are staying in the race

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/03/clinton_planning_for_life_afte.html

Amazingly, Hillary Clinton's top aides -- Mark Penn, Howard Wolfson and Harold Ickes -- are now behaving as if those calculations never existed. The first sign of the shift came last week, when Ickes declared that Clinton would have to reassess her plans only if she lost BOTH Texas and Ohio. Then came a Friday conference call in which Wolfson -- to the utter amazement of reporters listening in -- said the "onus" was on Obama to win all four March 4th states.

Most in the campaign still think she can eke out a win but Wolfson’s comments were clearly a signal that the former first lady intends to keep fighting if she loses the Alamo.

Wolfson is not being delusional. If the campaign doesn't yet have a compelling electoral rationale to survive a loss in Texas it has a financial one -- $35 million in February fundraising from a new base of online donors eager to keep the First-Woman-President dream alive no matter how many contests she loses.

To keep her in the fight, the campaign needs to come up with some way to argue that Texas doesn't matter.

During Friday's call they hinted at a possible strategy based on discrediting the state's bizarre primary-caucus hybrid: If Clinton manages to win the primary part and loses the oddball late-night caucus, she might be able to muster a moral argument case for continuing. Since losing Iowa, Clinton has railed against caucuses as being fundamentally undemocratic.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:55 PM
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41. Aww Geeez.
not this shit again?
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