The 1 time Hillary refused to answer a debate question, Obama answered it and botched it all to hell

[mtnsnake]

....and now piss-head, McCain, has half the country laughing at Obama because of it. Way to go, Barack!

As usual, in the debate the other night, Hillary was getting asked all the tough questions first. For the first time, though, Hillary refused to answer one of Russert's questions because she was smart enough to smell the trap, so she told him it was nothing but a hypothetical, and she wasn't comfortable answering it. It was a question about Iraq.

So what happens but Russert poses the same question to Obama. For the first time in the debates, Obama doesn't have the luxury of having Hillary answer the question for him first and give him all the answers, so what's he do? He botches the answer so badly that John McCain is mocking him all over the country and building his case already that Obama has no idea what's going on in Iraq.

BTW, if you didn't see it, it was when Obama said he would consider taking action as president "if al-Qaida is forming a base in Iraq." McCain then went right to work tearing Obama apart saying, "I have some news. al-Qaida IS in Iraq. It's called 'al-Qaida in Iraq'".

Can you imagine if Obama had gone first on all the tough questions in the debates instead of having the luxury of listening to Hillary answer all the questions for him?

Let's face it, Hillary is the ONLY one competent enough to beat McCain in a general election. That's why I'm supporting her until she says it's all over. :smoke:

[THUNDER HANDS]

1. Al-Queda doesn't have a base in Iraq

there may be a few members there, but it's not like they have a central office and receive mail or anything.

and there's no reason to believe that the militias in Iraq or whoever eventually gains power once we leave, be that Sunni or Shia, won't deal with Al Queda themselves.

[mtnsnake]

12. No shit. The quote was "is forming", not "has". Nice try

[Occam Bandage]

15. That doesn't address the substance of his post at all.

[mtnsnake]

26. The more you talk, the more foolish you look. The quotes prove it.

[Occam Bandage]

29. And if you change "doesn't have" to "isn't forming," the header and body are fully accurate. You're

playing semantics, and it's looking increasingly desperate.

[mtnsnake]

37. another botched hijack attempt by another Obama supporter who can't deal with reality

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

49. Bush, McCain and Clinton Unite to Attack Obama

And Clinton Campaign advisor Mark Penn with same org that McCain advisor works for.

Conflict of interest?

[Occam Bandage]

50. Kinda funny to see Hillary supporters desperately defending Mac's pro-Surge propaganda.

[mtnsnake]

54. haha, so now your stooping so low as to say I supported what McCain said

You are really something

[Occam Bandage]

61. You had huge issues with the posts in which I said AQ isn't forming a base in Iraq, so yeah.

[mtnsnake]

63. You have a huge issue with not realizing that Russert's question was a hypothetical

and Obama botched the answer. Obama isn't perfect like you always claim he is, far from it.

[Occam Bandage]

69. You didn't mean to use the word "hypothetical." The issue here

is that Russert asked a hypothetical, Obama answered the hypothetical, and McCain claimed erroneously that it was not a hypothetical and that it was actually happening.

Nobody could possibly deny that Russert's question was hypothetical, since it started with the word "if."

[Major Hogwash]

2. 5 days left.

And then what are you going to do?

[KittyWampus]

3. 'al-qaida in Iraq' is NOT al qaida, fool. Just because McCain makes idiot mistakes

you shouldn't

[mtnsnake]

6. another Obama apologist who can't face the truth

[Occam Bandage]

The truth is that al-Qaeda doesn't have a base in Iraq.

If Johnny Mac can't tell "al-Qaeda" and "al-Qaeda in Iraq" apart, and if he thinks the activities of al-Qaeda in Iraq constitute a "al-Qaeda forming a base," he is wrong. I'm not sure why you're supporting his spin.

[mtnsnake]

14. Once again, the hypothetical didn't read like you dreamers are saying it did

It was if one was forming, not that one was already there. Jayeeeeeeeesus!!!

[Occam Bandage]

17. "if he thinks the activities of al-Qaeda in Iraq constitute 'al-Qaeda forming a base'"

[mtnsnake]

22. You can twist the words all you want but no amount of twisting can get Obama out of it

[Occam Bandage]

25. "Twist the words?" There's no twisting. The activities of al-Qaeda in Iraq do not constitute

al-Qaeda forming a base. You're spreading McCain's pro-surge propaganda.

[mtnsnake]

28. You twisted it & anyone with a brain knows your just trying to hijack another thread, as usual

[Occam Bandage]

31. You leapt into an argument without checking to see if you were on the right side first.

Best to just slink away.

[mtnsnake]

35. another botched hijack attempt by another Obama supporter who can't deal with reality

[Occam Bandage]

40. Botched? Tell me again how "isn't forming" doesn't mean "isn't forming." Dumbass.

[mtnsnake]

43. awww, losing your cool because you got thumped again?

Dumbass.

lol

[Occam Bandage]

45. Apparently, because I can't understand how "isn't forming" doesn't actually mean "isn't forming."

But then again, I still have difficulty with what the meaning of "is" is.

[babylonsister]

4. 5 days left.

Then the PofP will prevail.:smoke:

[Occam Bandage]

5. al-Qaeda doesn't have a base in Iraq. He's correct.

[mtnsnake]

10. Learn to read. The quote said "IS FORMING" not "HAS". Wake up, OB

[Occam Bandage]

13. al-Qaeda is not in Iraq in meaningful numbers. They are not forming a base, either.

[mtnsnake]

18. Once again, the hypothetical didn't read like you dreamers are saying it did

but put your own words into until you turn blue in the face.

You guys just can't face reality but what else is new.

[Occam Bandage]

20. Okay, so tell me exactly what is wrong with that statement.

[mtnsnake]

23. I already told you, but you are simply denying it out of typical Obamawhiner arrogance

[Occam Bandage]

Apparently in your haste, you did not notice that the last two

threads you attempted to post to did not mention al-Qaeda having a base, but were saying that al-Qaeda is not forming a base, either.

[mtnsnake]

32. I already proved you're just spinning so go waste someone else's time with your hijack attempts

[Occam Bandage]

33. No, you proved you weren't actually reading my posts, or else you would have

realized that your replies were not actually addressing what I had written.

[mtnsnake]

39. another botched hijack attempt by another Obama supporter who can't deal with reality

[Occam Bandage]

41. Wah. Disproving your insane attempts to defend McCain is not "hijacking."

[mtnsnake]

44. Sun rise in the west for ya, too?

[Occam Bandage]

47. Nah, east. And what's more, over here in reality, "isn't forming" means "isn't forming," and

al-Qaeda isn't forming a base in Iraq.

[greguganus]

62. Mtnsnake makes me laugh outloud! I hope he sticks around after Hillary loses. n/t

:rofl:

[Recursion]

34. There are something like 200-300 qaedi there now

The ones that weren't killed by Shi'ites in '06 were turned in by their easily-bribed Sunni "hosts" last year.

And before you start, please, please, please don't presume to tell an Iraq vet about how Iraq "really" is...

[cali]

7. nonsense

I'm so bored with the desperation of Hillary supporters. Can't wait until this is over, and your frantic bullshit ends.

[mtnsnake]

48. typical response of another devout Obama groupie

wahhhHHH

[cali]

59. nope. I criticize Obama regularly

I think he's flawed, and to tell you the truth, if someone said you can have Hillary as a nominee now or you can have months more of the same, I'd go for Hillary in a NY minute. And sorry, this wasn't near as big a deal as you're making out. Oh, and unlike YOU, I don't worship my candidate. You clearly do. It's sad.

[leftofcool]

8. In fairness to Obama

He said, "Al-Qaida would not be in Iraq if we had not invaded Iraq." We wouldn't have this problem if we hadn't started the problem to begin with. Yes, Al-Quaida is there now, as well a in Pakistan, Iran and other places in the Mid East.

Left of Cool

[GOTV]

9. Doesn't seem so bad. McCain's got to pick on something....

... it's not like Clinton doesn't have problems McCain can mock.

[Saturday]

11. It's true. So many times Obama had the luxury of

saying, "I agree with what Hillary said". Just another media way of slanting the nomination to their man, Obama.

[Pryderi]

16. The 1 time Hillary could stop Bush's war, Hillary voted and botched it all to hell

[MonkeyFunk]

36. You think her vote decided the issue?

If she had voted no, what would've happened differently?

[dkf]

46. Then she would have demonstrated good judgment.

But she demonstrated bad judgment and put her name behind George Bush's great misadventure.

[Pryderi]

68. Way to go, Hillary!

[MonkeyFunk]

72. That doesn't answer the question

did her vote decide the issue? Would we be at war today if she had voted differently?

[mtnsnake]

76. Obama apologists don't have to answer questions. They just spin the truth into bullshit. n/t

[dkf]

86. Ah, so you are saying since her vote makes no difference she is not accountable for it.

Nice try.

No dice.

Take some responsibility Hillary.

This is like Bush not being able to say "shame on me". He was incapable of it. Hillary is showing the same inability to admit mistakes and therefore can't correct them.

[MonkeyFunk]

94. Nope

that's not what I'm saying.

I'm just pointing out that some people here act like Clinton is soley responsible for this war. She's not. It's Bush's war.

[RaleighNCDUer]

88. She would not have been alone if she had voted 'no'.

Where Hillary goes, so goes the DLC - if she had argued against it, and took the DLC vote with her, it would not have passed.

But the DLC always LIKED the war. They APPROVE of empire.

[napi21]

19. I hate to harp on the experience thing again, but it's cases like that

that you learn how to handle ONLY through experience.

As a comparrison, think about the first few job interviews you went on and what you said and how you answered the difficult questions, compared to how you handle them after going on 5 or 10. For the most part, that's what those moderators are playing...the job interviewer, and they're proding and trying to get the candidate's reaction to difficult situations.

Obama is doing much better now than he did a year ago BECAUSE of questions like that.

I don't like entrapment questions to the candidates any more than I liked them in the interviews I've been on, but I had to deal with them and so do the candidates.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. When Obama is not saying "I agree with Senator Clinton"he's rehashing her ideas &making them his own

He is a blank screen!

[mtnsnake]

52. No kidding. If it wasn't for Hillary answering all the questions first, he wouldn't know shit

about any of it.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

55. Barack Has Not........

IN A NUTSHELL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_6STL1O2PU

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

24. I have seen him flustered a few times. I hope, hope, hope that he turns to very smart

people for advice and not surround himself with syncophants.

[CJCRANE]

27. Iraqi is majority shi'ite.

Al-Qaeda is a small group of foreign sunni extremists. With the US occupation over the Iraqis will probably unite and drive al-Qaeda out themselves. The US doesn't need to occupy the entire country to help fight against al-Qaeda.

The main base for al-Qaeda is in tribal regions of Afghanistan/Pakistan because many of the people there share their extremist sunni dogma.

If you believe in occupation as the way to fight al-Qaeda then prepare to occupy Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[bowens43]

30. only die hard Hillary supporters, neo-cons and 19 percenters

see this as being 'botched'.

[dionysus]

38. one toke over the line, sweet mtnsnake...one toke over the line....

[mtnsnake]

53. I'm starting to finally like that song

:hi:

[dionysus]

85. damn, gotta switch tactics...

:hi:

[Yael]

42. What color is the sky in your world?

Seriously.

[Raffi Ella]

51. "...Hillary is the ONLY one competent enough..."

She knows that too.That's why she's fighting so hard.

[DUyellow]

56. LOL... You can do better than this.

[mtnsnake]

58. Better than what? Telling the cold hard truth that no Obama whiners can stomach?

Sorry, can't do better than telling the truth.

[DUyellow]

108. so you let them take his words out of context?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

57. Barack Has Not...........

IN A NUTSHELL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_6STL1O2PU

[mtnsnake]

60. Awesome & truthful. I wonder how all the whiners will spin that one.

[Occam Bandage]

65. No spin required. The reasons given to support Hillary are:

1. Her botched 1993 attempt to reform health-care, which demonstrated absolutely everything that was wrong with her incompetent form of "leadership."

2. The fact that she went on handshake trips as First Lady.

3. The fact that she's been in the Senate for several years longer than Obama has.

Really, if that's the best you can do at this point, Obama's got it in the bag.

[mtnsnake]

75. another Obama idolizer who whines whenever someone doesn't bow down & kiss Obama's feet

[Occam Bandage]

77. As I just said, I don't mind that video at all. There's no spin required.

It defeats itself.

[K Gardner]

64. 5 Days Left of this garbage.

[Branjor]

66. Then we all get to vote

for the less competent one.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

67. you do know that TX voting is not over until June right?

[bjnumb9]

82. What, are you counting some 1% of total votes that will come

in as Provisional ballots or something? I guess anything to keep your life as exciting as it currently is, running around dissing the guy who will be the (D) in November.

The writing is on the wall. Whether you read it now, in a few days time, or in June is really insignificant. But I think your candidate will choose the few days option. Let's hope you do the same.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

89. no you need to educate yourself about how the TX Dem Primary works

[bjnumb9]

103. no, i don't need to waste my time

trying to figure out how you and the rest of the Obama naysayers are going to try to drag out your pathetic posts even longer. i try to work and enjoy my free time with family and friends and various activities that do not include clinging to fantastical hopes of clinton dragging this on through june.


clinton's campaign is already dead. it just won't lie down. yet.

[K Gardner]

84. But Hillary's campaign will be over March 5th.

[LiberalAndProud]

70. You forgot the 'They're going to follow us home' part.

By all means, mtnsnake, let us continue to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here for the next 100 years.

worserBush here we come, because America just hasn't had enough yet.

[MoonRiver]

71. And then add to that his not having ONE hearing in 13 months for HIS Afghanistan committee,

and you have this meme regarding Obama's ability to function as Commander in Chief: INCOMPETENT, INEXPERIENCED, INDIFFERENT, NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.

[mtnsnake]

73. I love how Obamites can't take a single dose of the truth about their idol

Saint Obama is perfect and knows all the answers! lol

[Occam Bandage]

74. "McCain is talking bullshit" is not "Obama is perfect."

[mtnsnake]

78. I think you just set the record for most whiney posts on one thread by one Obama apologist ever.

Stomp your feet all day about it. It won't change the facts.

[Occam Bandage]

83. Dude, you replied to your whinefest OP to whine about how Obamites weren't buying Mac's shit,

you spent half the thread whining about how "al-Qaeda in Iraq isn't forming a base" does not mean "al-Qaeda in Iraq isn't forming a base," and you're complaining that disagreement with you is "whiney (sic)?"

:rofl:

[fishwax]

79. John McCain is the one misunderstanding/distorting

Obama's answer was fine.

[Straight Shooter]

80. Obama's answer by Ramirez, cartoonist for the prestigious Investor's Business Daily,

[mtnsnake]

81. LOL!!

[Straight Shooter]

87. Ramirez is right wing but he sure can nail them sometimes.

[TacticalPeek]

90. K&R

Going first, especially all the time, is definitely an extra burden.

:kick:

[AtomicKitten]

91. It was, as we all know, a hypothetical question & Obama's response quoted out of context.

Funny thing about that is that only wingnuts and desperate HRC supporters got it wrong, the latter particularly gratuitously and embarrassingly lame.

[rolleitreks]

92. If Dems pretend to be as stupid as Rep candidates pretend to be, we *are* in trouble. n/t

[Major Hogwash]

93. Please don't watch SNL this weekend.

They're going to do another skit about Hillary!

LoL

[Lannigan]

95. K&R

And Bush is now mocking him, too.

[writes3000]

96. Mtnsnake, I'm calling you out.

ALL you do is insult, belittle and antagonize Obama supporters. You are SO over-the-top that you can't honestly think you're ever going to reach one of us. It's sad because you might actually sway someone IF you weren't so damn bloodthirsty in your petty desire to insult EVERY CHANCE YOU GET.

I was going to go through this thread and really consider your points but just looking at each of the headers of your replies has turned me off. You will be my FIRST ignore on this site. Congratulations. Your unchecked hatred is in full effect. Hope it makes you happy.

[mtnsnake]

97. Oh what crushing news. An Obamawhiner is putting me on ignore

The only reason your calling me out and lying about me is because you can't stomach when your idol takes fair criticism. You people are the biggest bunch of babies on the internet and you lie through your tears. wahhhHHH

[AtomicKitten]

99. What part of gratuitously jumping on the GOP taken-out-of context bandwagon is fair?

[invictus]

98. The Clinton-McCain Alliance Against Obama

It looks like fellow war-lovers Hillary Clinton and John "Nasty" McCain are ganging up on the only progressive in the race.

[mtnsnake]

100. Yeah, that's what it must be

:eyes:

[L0oniX]

101. Just because a few al-Qaida types may be in Iraq doesn't mean it's a base.

I highly doubt there are any hard core al-Qaida members in Iraq and I believe it's mostly propaganda by the Bush crew so as to justify more military efforts in Iraq which equals more money for the death machine. When the government and Bush lies to us all the time, how can you believe anything they say anymore?

[oasis]

102. Barack doesn't know goat shit from grape jelly when it comes to national defense.

As soon as the American people become aware of it they will "denounce and reject" him in the general election.

[mtnsnake]

111. Ain't that the truth

If by some miracle, Obama gets the nod, the repukes will easily coast to another 4 years in the WH. Hillary is our only chance of beating the right wing machine. It's too bad how many people are hypnotised over nothingingness and a bunch of empty rhetoric, which is all Obama has to offer. That'll go over like a lead balloon in the General Election.

[oasis]

118. Obama's so preoccupied with his "War on Lobbyists" that terrorism takes a back seat. (eom)

[elixir]

104. Well done, Mtnsnake. Sounds like he's being vetted just like HRC is.

[elixir]

105. kick

[elixir]

106. ..

[Orangepeel]

107. Let's face it, if she can't beat Obama, she can't beat McCain

If Clinton manages to pull the nomination out of a magic hat, then she deserves it. If she doesn't, she doesn't.

Personally, I don't think that McCain will be as easy to beat for either candidate as some people seem to think. There are a lot of states that no Democrat is going to win. But the candidate that wins this primary is the best candidate and has the best chance to beat him.

(besides, Obama did a very good job of turning McCain's comments back on him. He has a gift for that)

[Rosa Luxemburg]

109. you should get your facts right

[mtnsnake]

112. Don't tell me. Tell Obama

He's the one who blew the answer, not me.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

110. Excuse #3659: my candidate demanded debates and had to answer questions first

Nevermind that her campaign touted her as the ultimate debater or that her campaign set the bar so low for O by calling him all fluff that when he soared over it at 40,000 feet her campaign looked ridiculous.

[oasis]

119. Hillary's tired of Obama parroting her responses after she answers. She'd

rather he come up with his own ideas on issues.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

120. thanks for clearing that up. I guess I'll vote for her now.

[Orsino]

113. The idiots were going to find something to pretend outrage over.

It might as well be th preposterous notion that the goddamned war isn't responsible for introducing al-Qaeda to Iraq. McCain may try to make hay out of this, but to do it he has to talk up the war--and no, "half the country" isn't going to follow him there.

This is a particularly pathetic attack.

[mtnsnake]

114. Yup, they always will

It might as well be th preposterous notion that the goddamned war isn't responsible for introducing al-Qaeda to Iraq. McCain may try to make hay out of this, but to do it he has to talk up the war--and no, "half the country" isn't going to follow him there.

This is a particularly pathetic attack.

Good point, but our people have to be a little more careful of falling into traps like what Russert posed up the other night to Hillary, which she avoided, but Obama fell for.

[Capn Sunshine]

115. 4 days left

Then we have a good shot at getting rid of idiotic posts of spin dweebs that have no clue like this one

BACK TO THE PHONE BANKS!

[mtnsnake]

116. another typical post by a mole posing as an Obama supporter who just hates the Clintons

[Drunken Irishman]

117. Your credibility on this issue is nil.

You don't know what you're talking about, as was evident in this post before the debate: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4771199

How'd that work out? Is Obama's campaign in a nosedive? It isn't, well your judgment must be about as good as the candidate you support. Sad.

I get why you're pissy because if my candidate was losing like this, I would be as well. It's tough watching the candidate you love sink faster than Bush's approval ratings, but don't let it blind you. Ya' just look like a moron when you do!