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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:34 AM Original message |
Obama: "I’ll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes" |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
1. hasn't he mentioned the threat of terrorism in his speeches and statements?? |
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sabra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I don't recall Obama using the fear mongering approach? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. that's your characterization. To me, Clinton is stressing the importance of experience. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. And HE'S expressing that experience doesn't matter if your judgement is off, like hers is. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. If the raising of the 'threat' in an ad is fearmongering, then it's the same on the campaign trail |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. He's responding to Hillary's latest fear-card ad. He is right to rebut anything she tries to say. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. He's certainly spoken about the 'threat of terrorism' in speeches and other statements |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. When you tell me what he said, I'll answer you. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. I don't need to. It's evident he's discussed his ability to respond to potential threats |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. HAHAHAHA! I figured you wouldn't/couldn't. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #49 |
64. then, so is Obama's every reference to the issue of a terrorist threat |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
86. QUOTE me one of his "scare tactic" lines. TIA. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Your characterization of the commercial is wrong. It is not a 'scare tactic' |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. WATCH the ad and say that again... |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #89 |
108. The scare tactic is the message that children will die. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #10 |
31. You can piss on my leg and tell me it's raining too. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. how disgustingly ignorant |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #10 |
58. The difference is |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. the campaign's response disagrees with your characterization. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #75 |
85. Of COURSE he is denigrating her judgement. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. she did not 'vote for the war'. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. And no matter how you defend it, it was KNOWN to plenty of |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. The 'authority' used to deploy troops isn't inherent in that resolution, it's in the War Powers Act |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:58 AM Response to Reply #58 |
109. No...! The difference is... |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
107. No, she's saying our children are going to die if the wrong person picks up the phone at 3am. |
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maximusveritas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Of course he's mentioned it, but he's never used it to scare up votes |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. He's running a campaign. What do you think he's doing when he gives a speech? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. Talking about the real threat as an issue and not as a manipulative ploy? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. I don't see the distinction between raising the issue in an ad, and raising it on the campaign trail |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
35. Terrorism is a real issue--he discusses it as a real issue. I have yet |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. It shouldn't have an 'emotional appeal' to it? I thought his whole thing was emotion . . . |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Perhaps you read him wrong. He's very analytical. That was the big rap |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
68. I watch these folks as close as anyone can. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #39 |
110. Is "your children are going to die!" just an emotional appeal? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
61. The point is, he has NOT been saying that she was inadequate. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. He's said all along that her judgment is flawed, as if she's some warmonger |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
70. Then we agree both are wrong? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. there are going to be questions about both's ability to perform |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
102. I think the question is how that experience is portrayed and played. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #102 |
103. Obama means to portray Clinton as reckless and bent on war |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. I agree. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I'll take it. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. He was responding to Hillary's new ad asking who you want picking up the phone in the WH at 3 in the |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Is Obama 'playing to the fear card' when he brings up the 'threat of terrorism'? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #23 |
33. NO. He's responding to those who DO play the fear card, including Hillary. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. that's pretty one-sided. Should we 'scare' up his statements? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. I'm still waiting for you to SHOW me his "scare tactic" ads/statements. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. YOU call them 'scare tactics'. I don't agree that the commercial was a 'scare tactic' |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #69 |
82. Of COURSE you don't think it's a scare tactic. I bet you also didn't think her "xerox" comment was |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
90. You're just abusive. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. If being persistent=being abusive, you're right. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. Her ad is DEFINITELY a scare-tactic ad. The phone is ringing, with ominous music while it shows |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
15. Many times. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. What did he say? |
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SIMPLYB1980 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. We should bomb pakistan for one. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Why don't you quit repeating lies? He said he would strike al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if Pakistan |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Yeah, he's just going to cluster-bomb Pakistan, take out Islamabad |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
3. You tell him! |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. and he'll shoot down the other rw garbage and McCain attacks with as much speed and vigor |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
4. Good answer. He is on his game. |
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peoli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
5. I love you Barack Obama! |
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Araxen (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
9. I can't wait to see the commercial they come out with |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
11. That ad won't be running much longer. nt |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. I think you're right there. She'll have to yank it now if she has any |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
60. I do think that "the grown-ups are in charge" is a failed meme... |
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jackstraw45 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
13. Clinton uses same tactics as Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice.... |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
51. Yep - AND Rove! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
14. I saw him say it just minutes ago. He is GOOD! n/t |
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Adelante (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
16. October 11, 2002 |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
17. Because Obama doesn't know goat shit from grape jelly when it comes to defending America, |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Really? He publicly and correctly predicted exactly what would happen if we took our eye off the |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. "..support for this resolution makes its success in the Untied Nations more likely, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. How does Hillary's IWR address square up with |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. When the shooting starts, most Americans back our guys. Hillary's no different. Point is, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
83. By giving him authority to go to war. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. You and Obama can keep beating that dead horse all you like. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. It's not a dead horse. And she also said al Qaeda and WMD were in Iraq... |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:07 AM Response to Reply #76 |
112. By voting to authorize the use of force? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #57 |
95. She's naive by thinking Bush wouldn't use that resolution to invade Iraq. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Naive? What did she have to go on? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:40 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. How 'bout the fact that Bush had been giving several "scare speeches" about Saddam, |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. you're a liar, liar. |
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burythehatchet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Please use "Homeland" instead of America. Thank you n/t |
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Schema Thing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. Obviously he is both smarter and more responsible in judgement than Hillary. |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #29 |
54. Obama has the good judgement to adopt every proposal that Hillary has put forward. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #17 |
111. Please do inform the readers as to anywhere that Obama has said Hillary "blueprinted" the invasion. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
28. Obama needs to quit lying about Iraq!! |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Wow! You need to quit lying and repeating Hillary's talking points! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
43. That's quite an unhinged rant there. Makes it hard to wade through, in search of |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. Becoming unhinged.... just like your candidate........ |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
50. Obama has voted like Pat Leahy and Teddy Kennedy |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. you miss the point (again) completely! |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. No. You don't get it. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. neva gonna happen.. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. it's already happened. |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. oh..but...march 3 should be an |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #80 |
101. Delightfully, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #56 |
71. What is a "fork tongue"? nt |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. a liar! |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. No, that is a "forked tongue", such as a snake has. |
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Kukesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #71 |
96. Worse yet ; look at the post -- what's a FORK TOUNGUE? n/t |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
34. Excellent! |
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MBS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
44. GOOD FOR OBAMA!!! |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
53. Just you wait, Henry Higgins, just you wait... |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
55. WOW "The question is – what kind of judgment will you make when you answer? " |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. he is so fast and so effective in his responses |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
65. This is exactly why Obama is the best nominee would can choose. |
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Franks Wild Years (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
67. Imagine her answering the phone at 3am... |
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elixir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
72. HRC gave authority to *. By the way, Obama would have bombed Afganistan |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. er - the terrorists were in Afghanistan not Iraq remember |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #72 |
113. The message of her ad is "your children may die if the wrong person picks up the phone at 3am." |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
100. The Hillary ad is reminiscent of the daisy commercial of the 60s. |
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krkaufman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #100 |
114. Then you might "enjoy" this Hall of Fame collection ... |
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Robert Oak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
104. Obama scares me |
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CyberPieHole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
115. No. Obama plays the "race card" for votes. And does it quite well. n/t |
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flordehinojos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:01 AM Response to Original message |
116. however, on the MSNBC debated he defended his position on international politics or readiness to be |
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