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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:36 PM
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I no longer think Clinton is going to win Ohio.
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 03:50 PM by Perky
I am have been perusing the internal numbers and it is very clear that leate breakers are breaking for Obama. That is simply the way things happpen with late breakes. theare is still about 7% undecided and he is only 2% down.


The big number I have seen is that it looks like there s no substantial gender gap amnong women. That is the Clinton Firewall.and without it she may be in trouble.


I am not saying it is not going to be close....But the combination of AA voters and SEIU agains something less than 55% among white women speaks of considerable erosion making this one even, and if the Obama Groundgame is working she might loss 52% to 48% or something like that.



This was a completee do over post because I had not reaslized someone had already poster the Rockefeller news.



Oh btw.....OBama has nrtted 29 ne Super Delegaes in the past 15 days. that will offset any actual gain Hillary gets form winning Ohio or Rhode Island.




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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:37 PM
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1. This is so 30 minutes ago /nt
:)
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:40 PM
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2. Rats...Now I need a new topic fast. befor the edit period ends.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:02 PM
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8. I'm liking the English in the 100 Year War
I have the Earl of Richmond beating the point spread...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:06 PM
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19. before edit period expires, please hit spell check! eom
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:42 PM
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3. Yea. This is a biggie.
Thanks for the post. I dont care if it's 30 min old / I just got up.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:43 PM
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4. That is a particularly important endorsement.
He apparently "gets" those red phone moments.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:07 PM
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20. Proud to know you
Atomic Hussein Kitten :hi:

- 48 Hussein Percenter
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:18 PM
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22. Back Hussein At Ya!!!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:52 PM
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5. It's news to me
thanks
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:56 PM
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6. idk i think she can still win in ohio. tx will be harder for her.
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:56 PM
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7. Rasmussen today, 47C-45O
her 14 point lead from less than 2 weeks ago, totally gone, telling
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:04 PM
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9. Could you share some of those "internal numbers" with us?
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 04:04 PM by Skip Intro

maybe a link or something?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:05 PM
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10. Internal numbers... late breakers?
Could you give me an example of these?

Which specific polls are you referring to?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:38 PM
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16. Two Sources
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:06 PM
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11. There are 27% undecideds in Rhode Island. Also huge university/professional population and
above average income demographics. She'll carry it, but it could be closer than everyone thinks. Obama will be there on Saturday.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:07 PM
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12. I still think she wins in a squeaker, but she's got plenty of time to piss away that remaining 2%
in the next few days. Her campaign has been one goatfuck after another.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:09 PM
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14. The power of positive thinking at work.
I'm positive Hillary will find a way to fuck that goat.
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hogwyld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:08 PM
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13. Are you in one of the campaigns?
How do you get your hands on internal polling?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:33 PM
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15. OOPS sorry....my Bad... When I say internals I mean breakouts
by race gender age, income, party etcerera. I do not have access to any internal polling from the campaigns... I do not work for any campaign.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:45 PM
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17. Ahh crosstabs
I thought that might have been what you meant. The problem is only SurveyUSA gives the full cross tabs for free (does anyone have Rasmussen membership that could peek at their crosstabs?). Being able to see the demographic breakdowns of the undecided vote, as well as issue preferences, can at least give people an guess as to which way they are most likely to go.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:47 PM
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18. Zogby has them to
pretty much the same design as surveyUSA. It is a BDF however.


I would love to see Rasmussens too.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:08 PM
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21. Join the club. n/t
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:26 PM
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23. I think the Clinton Internal numbers may be showing this
That is why they came out and said today that Obama has to win all four or else she wisn. I think they see something in their own numbers that they dont like, and know its going to be close.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 05:31 PM
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24. I think if anything it's Texas that her internals show her losing.
Bill Clinton seemed very confident that she would win Ohio. They don't seem that way with TX.
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