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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:51 PM
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Is Hillary's campaign being run as a "shadow DNC" for her benefit?
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 03:55 PM by madfloridian
When she once said the rules of the DNC were not the rules of her campaign.....I really did not believe she meant it. I guess I chose not believe it because the rules of the DNC have always governed primaries and delegates.

Hillary campaign says DNC delegates rules are not the rules of her campaign.

The rules the party has put in place to choose its nominee are not the rules of the Clinton campaign and, just like the Obama campaign, we are doing what we can under those rules to secure the requisite number of delegates for the nomination. One way to avoid the situation described above is to figure out some way to honor the votes of Michigan and Florida, where there was record turnout. Counting the delegates in Florida and Michigan is a civil rights issue, and a solution needs to be figured out before the convention.


Now that a lawsuit against the DNC is going to see the light of day again...it appears to add fuel to the speculation. The hearing will be on March 17 to determine the seating of Florida's delegates. I don't know, but I hear she might question the Texas Democratic party via a lawsuit. Not sure about that.

An article at The Nation yesterday points out more. It has been speculation most have said, but now it appears to be becoming common knowledge.

The Dean Legacy

It points about the impact Howard Dean has had on the party, that he "does not want to hang around the building past 2009." But it brings up something that is showing now in different states. That her campaign was set up to operate outside the DNC.

On November 7, 2006, all the top Democrats graced the stage of the Hyatt Regency ballroom in Washington for a big election-night victory party. All of them, that is, except Howard Dean, chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC). The party leadership had accused Dean of spending too much money on rebuilding moribund parties in red states and not enough on key Congressional races where Democratic pickups could strengthen their narrow majority. The results that night, as Democrats recaptured Congress, seemed to settle the argument in Dean's favor. But key Democrats, including Representative Rahm Emanuel, a former senior adviser to President Clinton, weren't satisfied, and Dean opted to stay away from the celebration, doing TV interviews instead. A week later, Democratic strategist James Carville, another prominent Clintonite, labeled the DNC leadership "Rumsfeldian in its competence," and called on Dean to resign. He floated the name of Harold Ford Jr., now chair of the right-leaning Democratic Leadership Council, as a replacement. There was rampant speculation inside the Beltway that Carville wasn't offering an unsolicited opinion but rather carrying water for the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary Clinton.


Forming a "shadow DNC".

A few months earlier, The New Republic had reported that Clinton's camp was "laying the groundwork to circumvent the DNC in the event that Clinton wins the nomination." This shadow DNC had a number of integral parts: adviser Harold Ickes would develop state-of-the-art technology to help Clinton reach prospective voters; EMILY's List and Clinton's allies in organized labor would launch an unprecedented effort to turn out supporters, especially women voters; former DNC chair Terry McAuliffe would raise untold sums from wealthy donors and the business community; and communications honcho Howard Wolfson would direct an unrelenting war room. Ever since 1992 the Clintons had used the DNC as an outpost for raising money from big donors, and funding candidates had taken precedence over nurturing progressive organizers. That model would continue into '08. Dean could remain at the DNC as a figurehead but only if he stayed in line.

And then the effort to marginalize Dean collapsed. Partly it's because the party's Congressional takeover--and a subsequent study by Harvard's Elaine Kamarck documenting Dean's contributions toward that end--eventually silenced the Carville-ites. Partly it's because Barack Obama forced the Clintons to devote all their resources to fending off his insurgent candidacy. But another reason the DNC-in-exile never got off the ground was Dean himself. Dean is no longer a marginalized figure, the butt of "Dean scream" jokes, but a man with a powerful constituency in regions where his fifty-state strategy has energized aging, ailing or previously nonexistent state parties. His support to these parties has not only strengthened them but has created an independent power base for Dean himself.


Whose rules are the right rules? Who makes them?

On a number of occasions during this cycle, the Clinton campaign has questioned the DNC's authority. The first split came during the Nevada caucuses, when Clinton allies challenged the DNC over the validity of caucus sites that they thought favored Obama. The courts ruled in the DNC's favor, but the showdown in Nevada looked like small potatoes compared with the growing debate over whether to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates. The Clinton campaign's PR blitz in favor of seating them was a clear affront to Dean's leadership. "The DNC rule is the rule, and it's not going to change just because Clinton says we're going to change it," says one Dean confidant.


I hope for all our sakes there is a clear definitive outcome this next month. To have otherwise is not a good thing for the party.


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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:54 PM
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1. Kick and recommended.
:patriot:

This right here is ample reason for me to support Obama.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:58 PM
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2. I've heard rules are just pieces of paper. n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:59 PM
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3. Dems need to wake up and realize Clintons were ALWAYS using the party for themselves and
made sure no one other Democrat could gain traction while they controlled the party.

Dean winning the chairmanship was something they didn't bargain for, but all those other Dems doublecrossed by Clintons over the years have been helping Dean and supporting him and us.

NOW is the time to definitively tell the Clintons No More.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:07 PM
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6. It's the DLC
The Clintons are just the head-piece
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:00 PM
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4. Hillary is a brat. A spoiled, petulant brat, who thinks no rules apply to her.
If she had never run for president, she could have remained in the senate and been considered a nominally mediocre senator who voted right 60% of the time. Now she's proved that she does not deserve the respect of party regulars.

Thankfully, she'll soon be a bad memory and little else.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:00 PM
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5. I sincerely hope she goes down in flames on Tuesday, and then
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 04:02 PM by wienerdoggie
the Clintons, and their old-guard power-hungry hangers-on, will be marginalized for a long, long time--maybe forever.

on edit: It's time for a NEW Democratic party to emerge from the wings, under Obama and Dean.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:28 PM
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8. Don't forget how she & Bill sat out 2004, criticized Kerry's convention setup & sandbagged him in 06
Because they wanted to concede 2004 election to Bush in wartime (like the RNC is considering
abandoning McCain in the general, like they did to Dole)

and Bill and the DNC/DLC under MacAuliffe disliked Kerry (a liberal DLC refugee who had gone
"off the reservation") and wanted a clear field in 2008.

So they sandbagged him. Only Clark stuck around to help Kerry which is why, if I were Kerry
I'd advise Obama to pick Clark as a running mate.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:31 PM
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9. Yep--all engineered to her benefit. I don't know about Clark, though--
I don't think Obama will reward him.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:15 PM
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7. Clinton supporters MUST be sticking their fingers in their ears.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:08 PM
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13. And yelling Na! Na Na!, I can't hear you!!!!!!!
Hillary, the Captain Ahab of the Democratic Party.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:21 AM
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14. Most have me on ignore and can't even see it.
:rofl:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:32 PM
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10. Thanks to all the people who supported Howard Dean's run
for the DNC Chair.

Just think where we would be if some DLC candidate had won.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 04:56 PM
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11. Absolutely - the party would have imploded by now without Dean.
I remember many serious folks were going to create a new party if Dean didn't get the call. Wasn't MoveOn.org instrumental?

I can remember being involved in countless conversations about starting a third party versus working from the inside to fix this one. And this was AFTER the Perot and Nader debacles with third parties. Dean is one of the true heroes of this party.

Of course, there were those who wanted the party to implode who may not hold Dean in such high regard. I think they wanted this movement that we are seeing now to be a third party movement. IMHO, anything like that would take way too long, we need change now!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:27 PM
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15. I agree on that.
The move to push up those primaries...if it had succeeded...would have been devastating.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:26 PM
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12. Here is more about Ickes' database called Catalist.
The DNC has developed its own voter base. Here are some of the reasons Ickes was built. To be fair, the DNC has not been critical of it that much. Just said they can not use it, must have their own.

From 2007:

Hillary's Hammer Returns

The Clintons are back on war footing, and Harold Ickes is back at the center of things. Ickes is technically a volunteer for the campaign known as Hillary for President. His title, carefully chosen in a world with intricate internal politics, is "Adviser to the Campaign Manager."

..."Perhaps Ickes' largest-scale project is Catalist, a private company born out of his open distrust in the ability of Democratic Party chairman Howard Dean to build a voter database to rival that of the Republicans. Ickes is president of the company.

"It's unclear to me," Ickes said, whether the Democratic Party's database is uniform and rich enough for a national election.

The Democratic Party's voter database, a party spokeswoman said, is fully functional and accessible through a central interface.

"Given the proven success of VoteBuilder in the 2006 elections and the overwhelmingly positive response we've had from the campaigns and state parties who used it, we are very confident in our voter file," said DNC communications director Karen Finney.




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