Can ANYONE here justify that Hillary/Telephone ad??? ANYONE!

[Raven]

I just saw it. It is outrageous. She has no more experience with the military than I do for God's sake! This ad is so base, so fear-mongering, so Rove, so Bush...somebody please give me a justification for it. I support Obama but had a good deal of respect for Hillary...until now.

[bicentennial_baby]

1. Nope, can't do it

x(

[conservdem]

131. I support Obama, and I think this is a fair ad.

I think his responding ad is good too. It's probaly a draw on this battle.

[MoJoWorkin]

2. Ditto!

[loveangelc]

3. thankfully I don't think it will work among Democratic voters

I really don't think it's THAT big of a deal...

[CPschem]

4. "not it"

[kennetha]

5. All it does it raise a question

What is there to justify? It just asks the voter to think and decide a real question?

It doesn't even mention Obama. I'm amazed at how defensive Obama folks are these days.

[Raven]

10. I'm not defensive, I'm appalled! Anyone who thinks the ad is

referencing fires and floods is dreaming..."She knows the military" what's THAT supposed to mean?

[kennetha]

28. So you're saying

that it's somehow illegitimate to ask who is prepared to be commander in chief? That even raising the question is somehow playing dirty politics? That's an amazingly absurd, immature, unsophisticated thought. I was I could think of more adjectives to describe how inane I find your outrage. OF COURSE voters are entitled and campaigns are entitled to raise such questions.

[Raven]

42. She can ask all she wants,she doesn't have to scare the shit out of

people...the little kids asleep in bed...give me a break. Is that the best you can do?

[Window]

54. Not only that, but this is something you would expect McCain to use.

[kennetha]

57. Actually

I think the ad is pretty good and quite effective at framing a legitimate question. I don't think it is all that compelling at answering the question. But that's another matter. But the question is certainly legitimate and to call it fear-mongering is truly, truly absurd. Indeed, as these kind of ads go, this one is really pretty tame. It doesn't even mention the opponent by name. It doesn't mention Hillary by name either. So it just puts a question to the voter. What in the name of whatever could possibly be wrong with that?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

66. She is being a hypocrite. Period.

"Now, one of Clinton's laws of politics is this. If one candidate is trying to scare you and the other one is try get you to think, if one candidate is appealing to your fears and the other one is appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope."
-Bill Clinton, 2004

[MagsDem]

81. She wants you to think if you want another pet goat reader in the WH

Kudos to her. I have had quite enough of inexperienced presidents.

[dionysus]

85. so let's get this straight...

it's perfectly acceptable to use pages out of the repuke playbook if she does it?

[MagsDem]

89. No, it's perfectly acceptable to point out that we are fucked...

... if we elect yet another president that doesn't have the basic minimum experience required to handle threats to the country. We've already seen how that worked out -- not well. She has an extremely legitimate point, and I am glad she is making it. It would be unfair if he was experienced, but he isn't so it's not.

[dionysus]

99. so your premise is that Obama is stupid like bush, and therefore incapable of doing his job...

[Alexander]

117. Kind of odd how a constitutional law professor gets compared to Bush.

Almost like whoever makes the argument is talking out of their ass.

[wileedog]

142. Huh?

I'm sorry, could you point out what national crisis or dire national security situation Hillary has personally handled?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

94. "She wants you to think if you want another pet goat reader in the WH"

WTF does this even mean? Can you translate into English? Or, is this the level of dialog you use in swaying your "clients" over to Hillary? If it is, it is far removed from my capability of comprehension.

[MagsDem]

100. Just want it says -- you said Bill said candidates should "think"

She wants you to think about whether you want another MY PET GOAT reader in the WH. When Bush was informed of the attacks on 9/11 he sat in a class room like a dear caught in the headlights and continued to read "My Pet Goat" to a bunch of kindergarten children.

[dionysus]

151. um... we know that super genius.

still waiting on why you think Obama is stupid like bush...

[MagsDem]

101. Just what it says -- you said Bill said candidates should "think"

She wants you to think about whether you want another MY PET GOAT reader in the WH. When Bush was informed of the attacks on 9/11 he sat in a class room like a dear caught in the headlights and continued to read "My Pet Goat" to a bunch of kindergarten children.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

106. Oh, deer.

Guess you win this round...

[HooptieWagon]

122. Well, it made me think

that if Hillary can't answer the damn phone, she doesn't belong in the WH. Second thought was when did she hire Karl Rove?

[backscatter712]

144. Maybe Hillary should have thought...

before she voted for the IWR.

Maybe she should have thought before she voted for Kyl-Lieberman.

Maybe she should have thought before she voted against banning cluster bombs.

Or when she voted for the PATRIOT Act...

[bvar22]

132. And the governor of the small and backward State of Arkansas...

...went to the White House in 1992 with ZERO Foreign Policy experience and ZERO Military experience.....and, you know he did a pretty good job.
Judgement trumps Experience!

Note: I LIVE in Arkansas, so I CAN call it small and backwards.

[helderheid]

104. BILL ENDORSED OBAMA?!??!?

:evilgrin:

[HCE SuiGeneris]

107. Very noble of him, huh?

:P

[Melinda]

112. What a great endorsement from Bill to Barack; your post seriously deserves its own thread!!

:thumbsup:

[Window]

70. Right. All that's missing is the mushroom cloud in the background, like another candidate used.

[GoldieAZ49]

143. that scared the shit out of you? I thought it was weak or subtle at best

Mondales ad against Hart was very similar, in fact the same guy wrote it.

Now the LBJ ad with the little girl and the mushroom cloud, now that is a scare the shit out of you ad!

[dionysus]

83. you think it's legitimate to use pages from the repuke playbook?

interesting...

[GoldieAZ49]

145. was Mondale a repuke?

same guy wrote the ad for Hillary and the ad is almost the same

It worked for Mondale against Hart...they were both Dems

[Common Sense Party]

53. I doubt most military men have a lot of love for Hillary.

Some do, I'm sure.

Most guys I've met that are active duty grew up listening to Rush Limpballs and hate Hillary with unbridled loathing.

I don't know what, if any, opinion they have of Obama.

[11 Bravo]

96. Believe it or not, some of us (current and ex) can think for ourselves.

That may not play into your mindset, but it is a fact.

[Common Sense Party]

121. I believe I said as much in my post.

[Name removed]

62. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[dionysus]

88. disgusting. You should show Raven some respect.

[City Lights]

37. It doesn't need to mention Obama. Anyone paying attention knows

she's running against Obama. She's not running that ad to contrast her experience with McCain's.

[wileedog]

149. Ironically

"She's not running that ad to contrast her experience with McCain's."

Ironically should she miraculously win the nomination McCain could easily play the exact same ad on her in the GE.

[FiveGoodMen]

127. I'm sure the ad was aimed at her OTHER primary opponents and not Obama.

[LSparkle]

6. Today's world leaders AREN'T THE SAME ONES she may have known

She can't even pronounce Medvedev's name, for Pete's sake!!!

An ad that would make McCain proud.

[blocker]

7. she's using republicans tactics, plagiarsim on her part!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/What_is_it_about_3_am_.html#comments

[denem]

8. Yes it's Justified - John McCain did it first.:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPadP7eAO9Y

[Crunchy Frog]

19. Actually, Walter Mondale did it first. This goes waaaay back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu-2Ew1ijg&eurl

[denem]

39. Ahh - I only go back to 2003

Crazy enough to marry my extraordinary (very republican) wife. I could not get her interested in Wes Clark. And looking back it was partly how sharply he attacked republicans, partly I suppose because he was fighting off 'Clark is a republican' charge. Obama doesn't offend her as much - this year she won't be voting anything. Got a positive Obama flyer under the door. She's read it :)

[GoldieAZ49]

150. Actually Mondale did it first in the primary against Hart n/t

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

9. she has the competence edge in using land-based phones. end of story.

[Sensitivity]

11. DISGUSTING BEYOND WORDS

[MagsDem]

74. Last time we elected an inexperienced person we got....

... a doofus sitting their reading my pet goat for 20 minutes after he found out we were attacked. I'd like to avoid a repeat of that, thanks. She makes an excellent point. Experience does matter.

[fenriswolf]

95. experiance in what?

[Alexander]

139. Warmongering. Apparently some people think that makes us safer.

:crazy:

[IndianaGreen]

12. I thought it was a McCain ad

There is a morphing between Hillary and McCain that is very disturbing.

[blocker]

15. And she had the guts to say....

that Obama uses republican tactics, i just don't undersdant her message, is it ok for her to do it?

[killbotfactory]

20. It was copied from a McCain youtube video

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/2/29/155558/168/352/466445

[helderheid]

108. THAT link needs to be sent to KO.

[thoughtcrime1984]

13. It was an awful, Republican style ad

Her handlers are making her look worse by the day.

[butterfly77]

14. What I like is the answer Obama ...

threw back at her:

Obama responded to Clinton's ad in a speech to veterans in Houston today, according to prepared remarks. He accused her of playing on fear, and echoed his staff's retort that she's had, and blown, her red phone moment:

Now before we open this up for conversation, I just want to take a moment to respond to an ad that Sen. Clinton is apparently running today that asks, “Who do you want answering the phone in the White House when it’s 3 a.m. and something has happened in the world?”

We’ve seen these ads before. They’re the kind that play on peoples’ fears to scare up votes.

Well it won’t work this time. Because the question is not about picking up the phone. The question is — what kind of judgment will you make when you answer? We’ve had a red phone moment. It was the decision to invade Iraq. And Sen. Clinton gave the wrong answer. George Bush gave the wrong answer. John McCain gave the wrong answer.

Also:

And I’ll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, because it’s a threat that should rally this country around our common enemies. That’s the judgment we need at 3 a.m. And that’s the judgment that I am running for president to provide.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Obama_respo...

[goclark]

26. Speak Barack! I want you on the phone anytime

:bounce:

[MagsDem]

113. So we should vote for him, with no experience at all?

Is that what he is saying? That's kind of dumb if you ask me.

[BuyingThyme]

16. Women like to talk on the phone!

:hide:

[Crazy Dave]

17. She always bitched so much about Bush's "Politics of Fear"...

...and scare tactics now it's alright for her to use them figuring if it worked for Bush in 2004 it will work for her now.

[LostinVA]

22. Please say something other than "bitched"

I know you're not a sexist poster, but that's a sexist term.

[IndianaGreen]

27. It isn't a sexist term, and definitely not in this context

As Tina Fey said on SNL, "Bitch is the new Black."

God save us from aging 1970s feminists!

[ieoeja]

69. LostInVA found it offending.

So you should just change it to "complained" and leave it at that instead of telling LVA what should or should not offend her.

[watrwefitinfor]

71. Bitchin' A, Indiana.

From an aging 1970s activist who's female and STILL bitching.
(And watching this board get more ridiculous by the minute.)

Wat

[Crazy Dave]

33. I bitch about stuff all the time?

Is that still sexist?

[IndianaGreen]

GIs always have the right to bitch

I bitch at work all the time.

[LostinVA]

38. It is actually

I'm not complaining because it's directed towards Hillary. I just think that word has no place anywhere on DU.

[dionysus]

46. do you *seriously* beleive that using the word "bitch" in the context of complaining about something

is sexist?

[LostinVA]

50. Yes -- and plenty of other women on DU agree with me

There have been whole threads about it in the past.

[dionysus]

63. that's totally insane.

[Kittycat]

133. As a woman - I don't agree wth you.

Not disagreeing just for the sake of doing so - but I often use the phrase, "he was bitching/she was bitching" about something when I'm annoyed. It's not a sexist term TO ME, but I do recognize that SOME women find it such.

[Crazy Dave]

49. No place here on DU???

Now that's just plain ridiculous. With all the other inappropriate language on DU and you only find that word offensive means you are just being selective.

But you can always bitch about it to the mods.

[ieoeja]

76. Then how about "the wrong time here on DU"?

At least put a moratorium on it until the primary is dead. Then you and LVA can go back to fighting over the use of language she considers sexist

... and LVA is correct; I have seen/participated in such discussions many times in the past ...

outside the context of this election.

[Crazy Dave]

Are you two making up new rules?

This ain't you're website and it's not mine. I won't tell you what or when to say and don't even think you can tell me. Just use the motherfucking ignore option if you don't like it.

[ieoeja]

109. Why do you want to continue using that word so badly?

Why does it upset you so much that someone finds it offensive, prompting a fellow Obama supporter to ask you to not use it for a few days? To you and I it's just a fucking word.

But it is hurtful to a fellow DUer who is already suffering the pain of supporting a losing campaign (no offense LVA). Would it kill you to be nice for a week or so?

[Crazy Dave]

115. Why? Because I can if and when I feel like it

And anybody else can too for that matter. People who complain about shit like that usually have a double standard and/or are just being selective.
Whenever that word is directed at someone like Ann Coulter, Laura Bush, Michelle Malkin and their like, nothing is ever objected to or offensive then. As a matter of fact it's always applauded. I've even seen acts of violence and fear towards republican women who are public figures cheered many a time here on DU and usually I'm the only person, (occasionally there's one more) who objects to it.

[DS1]

65. cool

[hisownpetard]

18. Link?

[BuyingThyme]

24. Yeah, I've heard it, but not seen it. Link, anybody?

[Raven]

25. I'm sorry, I'm lousy at linking. I saw it here in "Political Videos". n/t

[Lucinda]

41. I think this is it:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/video/142.aspx

[hisownpetard]

141. Thanks!

Incredible.

[kentuck]

21. Plus...it was stupid...

Why make an ad that focuses on the war? That is to Obama's advantage. That only gives him another opportunity to point out that she voted for the war. As someone else said, that would be a good ad for the general but not for the primaries.

[BigDaddy44]

23. Sure, I can

She's desperate. She is out of ideas. She can't win on hope, change, or on any kind of inspirational message. Its either this, or quit. Make no mistake, she is trying to win by any means necessary.

I am continually amazed that people are shocked by ads like this. This is hard core, down and dirty, bare knuckle politics. Its the 15th round, she's behind on points, getting the crap kicked out of her, and is aiming for the nuts as a last desperate move.

Pathetic? yes. But other than quit what are her options?

[Raven]

31. I suppose you're right but I'm always hopeful and I am especially

surprised that she did this. I expected better from her.

[BigDaddy44]

35. I understand

She is clearly not running for Miss Congeniality (and for those looking for a reason to say i'm sexist, thats the conventional term for a gracious loser)

[TexasObserver]

29. It's indefensible, and utterly absurd. I wouldn't call her at 3 AM for time and weather.

[nonconformist]

30. Sure, I will.

I don't think it's "fear mongering", I think it's simply an ad that focuses on her strengths (or at least, what she perceives them to be), which is experience and familiarity with "the machine".

Basically, it's saying "do you want to gamble on an unknown, or go with someone who's been in the thick of it for many years?".

Of course, calm logic isn't in style here right now, so go on ahead with your feigned outrage.

[Raven]

36. You know, the "feigned outrage" stuff just doesn't cut it anymore.

This is a legitimate criticism.

[jenmito]

40. Did you say the same thing when the Repubs. used the same type of ads? That they were just

focusing on their "strengths" of experience and familiarity? :eyes:

[nonconformist]

44. Interesting you guys keep mentioning how the right wing has used ads like this.

Because I didn't hear a lot of outrage on your side when Obama ran Harry and Louise ads, in a repeat to destroy any possibility for universal healthcare in the foreseeable future.

[jenmito]

48. Interesting how you avoided my question.

[BigDaddy44]

55. I'll answer it

Both sides (republican, democratic) have had outrageous ads in the past. The republicans moreso. But its POLITICS. This is about WINNING by an legal means necessary (unless you're a republican, then illegal means are okay, but thats another story.)

If you're just getting "outraged", then you're bringing a knife to a gun fight. You bring a GUN to a gun fight, and you fight back harder.

I'm continually shocked that everyone in here thinks politics should just be a pillow fight where we all share cookies and milk after its all over. That would be nice, but this is the real world.

[nonconformist]

58. I guess I would say what comes around, goes around.

When you run right wing ads yourself and justify those, spare me the outrage when it goes the other way.

And to answer your question specifically, I'm disgusted by nearly anything Republicans do, so it's moot. But since they're a large chunk of Obama's base now, I guess that's not in style anymore, either.

[Lucinda]

43. I see nothing wrong with it.

[DefenseLawyer]

56. I am of course incurably sexist

but when I hear "Who do you want answering the phones?" the answer off the top of my head is, the receptionist.

[speedoo]

32. It's desperation.

I suppose that justifies it for her, but for me, it's just another indicator that I have right about her for a long time.

[JVS]

34. She's losing and has to try everything

[KLee]

45. Nope no justification here. nt

[City Lights]

47. Dumb ad; brilliant response. Wile E. Hillary has been outsmarted again!

[anigbrowl]

51. I work in the movie business...

at the small indie end, not the big Hollywood re-carpet one (one day, maybe).

The things that struck me as a filmmaker were:

1. the shots of the children - blue lighting makes the scene look cold, moving camera, oblique perspective on the mom coming to check on them. This is the kind of shot I'd use for a horror/slasher film just before the Bad Guy grabbed the Mom and held a knife to her throat, cue much screaming and panic. Instead we get a shot of Hillary Clinton answering the phone, with warm soft colors to look more reassuring. Whew!

Also, she's fully dressed and busy in her office. Probably working late - just needed to square away that new policy before answering the phone. Diligent!

2. the music - very military sounding, especially the drums. Sort of thing I expect in a political thriller right before the Obligatory Scene of the President discussing the new crisis with the joint chiefs or something.

I have no problem with the suggestion that Hillary Clinton is a good person to have around in an international crisis - naturally, that's the job of the President so they want to suggest she'd be a good choice. But I didn't care for the long focus on children. The subtext was 'your kids won't be safe with anyone else in the WH'.

[Raven]

59. You captured my thoughts! Said it better than I could! n/t

[yardwork]

123. That's how I reacted to it as well. It's a good political ad.

It's not a negative ad - it doesn't say anything nasty about Obama. Ads like this work. I can't really understand the outrage over it.

[Lucinda]

52. I see nothing fear mongering about it.

ANTHING can happen in the world we live in. Our choice for President should take that into consideration. Not looking at that fact seems foolish to me.

[Barack_America]

61. See the post above yours.

It's not that the question is being asked, it's HOW the question is being presented.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[nonconformist]

64. There was a thread recently about how Hillary hasn't done anything for women.

I was ASTOUNDED by the ignorance, ASTOUNDED.

[Raven]

73. Nice, and what is your point? What experience has she had with

the military that is so superior? And, don't call anyone on this site ignorant!

[MagsDem]

78. Well she serves on the Senate Armed Services committee, for one

I'd call that experience with the military, wouldn't you? And ignorant is a condition. "Ignorance is the condition of being uninformed or uneducated, lacking knowledge or information" -- I'd say that describes you perfectly. If the shoe fits....

[Raven]

80. You're insulting and you shouldn't be here.

[MagsDem]

86. Right, because I'm informed and that bothers you

Well it bothers me when people like you post deragatory statements about a candidate like you did about HRC that are based on YOUR ignorance. If you had any decency you would admit your error and apologize for it.

[intaglio]

67. It doesn't need justification - it's an ad

Advertisements don't need justification unless they demean or insult an opponent. She has not insulted or demeaned her opponent she has just claimed to be more ready to answer the big red phone. You don't agree with it so get a counter up on "YouTube" or just tell people what you mention here.

You might as well ask for a justification of the "Apple" ads

[kennetha]

68. What is truly revealing

Is both the reaction to the Obama campaign and the reaction to the Obamaniac cult-following to this ad and other recent developments. They act as if an ad raising a legitimate question for the voters is somehow dirty politics. They act as if a picture of their candidate wearing clothes he actually wore on a visit to a foreign country is race-baiting. They act as if the mere saying of the man's middle name (he whose middle name must not be spoken) is somehow a smear.

It shows that they are completely on the edge, afraid that their mirage will evaporate at any minute. It makes them look petty and afraid rather than confident. It also makes them look like they question the intelligence of the voter, but also like they think they are entitled to the nomination. Not exactly a pretty picture of either the messiah or the "movement."

[dionysus]

98. hmmmm

use of the word "cult" check...

endorsing RW style attack ad... check

hmmm...

[corkhead]

72. Her staff is infiltrated with Republicons intent on sinking her campaign?

it's the best I can come up with:shrug:

[StevieM]

75. Yes. Obama is the one who is smearing her. I don't like him and won't vote for him (eom)

x

[anonymous171]

90. So Obama aired this ad?

[polticalpout]

140. Because your candidate is bigger than the Democratic Party?

You would rather have 8 more years of Republicans if Hillary isn't the nomination? Wow, that is sad.

[AZBlue]

147. Rhymes with stole...

Doesn't back up their claim and is openly voting for the GOP...

[Thepricebreaker]

77. FEAR n/t

[oasis]

84. I see it doesn't take much to scare you.

Boo:scared:

[oasis]

79. Any ad that shakes America out of Dreamland, should be used. This is

national security we're talking about here.

[anonymous171]

97. You sound like a repug...nt

[oasis]

138. You sound like one of the "dreamers" I speak of. (eom)

[powergirl]

82. You better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope

President Bill Clinton 2004:

Now one of Clinton’s laws of politics is this: If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.

[MagsDem]

93. Absolutely -- think about how screwed we are if we get another

inexperienced person in office. We've had enough of that.

[anonymous171]

114. LIKE BILL CLINTON!

He was such a horrible president, right?

[powergirl]

137. You speak the truth!

I love President Clinton. He was the Governor of Arkansas without "foreign policy experience" as defined by certain campaigns. He he was able to win the respect and trust of the international community. Obama will do the same

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

87. She's Losing, And Getting Desperate.

Can't really see any other justification than that.

[jlake]

91. Link?

[Raven]

102. It's over in "Political Videos".

[elehhhhna]

92. ALl I could think was : Pick up the G-- D--- PHONE already! and : Oh, I hope

Obama isn't paying for this ad, b/c it's horrible.

Also, she has one running in TX that says something like "She'll take away big corp. tax breaks and blah blah and blah blah , END (but it sounds like AND) tax breaks for companies who ship jobs overseas.

Worst . Political. Ads. EVER.

She's wasting a ton of money.

[DuaneBidoux]

103. I ask how does Obama stand up to it? I guarantee that McCain will use worse.

I agree it makes me disappointed in Clinton and I agree that she has no more experience than he does, and sitting in the White House as first lady during a crisis does not in my estimation count.

But he answered the ad quite well, and better respond now to a mild version from Clinton than a truly viscious one from McCain later. It gives him some low pressure practice.

[TheDonkey]

105. Where is it?

[davidthegnome]

110. So serving on the Senate Armed Forces Committee

is substantial military experience? Sorry, doesn't cut it for me. If we're going to talk about experience - McCain has real military experience. If we're going to talk about overall experience, again McCain has more. I would also point out that the least experienced President in history was... Abraham Lincoln. Rumsfeld has "experience", Dick Cheney has "experience". Would you vote for them?

Experience is no substitute for vision.

[MagsDem]

111. That's not what the ad says...

The ad says she has experience with the military, and that's true. I think that is substantial. Certainly more substantial than anything Obama can claim.

[Raven]

116. So what experience with the military did she have aside from the ASC?

Pray tell. Did she serve? What magical inside info does she have? Has she told us? Do we know? Was it her eight years of being First Lady? I guess that would mean that Laura Bush was competent to be Commander in Chief. Can you cure me of my ignorance?

[dailykoff]

118. The Clinton and McCain campaigns have quietly merged.

It's basically a McCain ad.

[ecstatic]

119. LOL. My breaking point was the plagiarism smear...

But I understand everyone has a different boiling point.

[madmom]

120. Funny no one has yet answered why it was ok for Obama to us the Harry & Louis ads!

[yardwork]

124. I notice that, too. The Harry and Louise ads contain a nasty slam against Hillary.

The Harry and Louise ads are a deliberate reference to the corporate ads that destroyed Hillary's plan for national health care back in the 1990s. But somehow, they are a-ok.

This ad doesn't reference Obama at all. It's an ad that highlights one of Hillary's strengths. But somehow it is terrible.

[yardwork]

125. I don't see the problem with it. Ads like this work.

Hillary is running for president. She wants to win the nomination. This ad reinforces her strength.

It's not an attack ad. It doesn't say anything nasty about Obama. Doesn't mention him at all. What's wrong with this ad?

And - were you this outraged by Obama's "Harry and Louise look-alike" ads?

[Jacobin]

126. Obama's response was perfect

She's digging a deeper hole. I loved her ad

[yardwork]

128. Are you equally offended by Obama's response ad?

Personally, I think that they are both good ads. I'm impressed that Obama's group got their response out so quickly. I'm just curious, though. Are you as offended by Obama's ad as you are by Hillary's? If not, why not?

[Raven]

129. Haven't seen BO's response ad. Heard what he said about

fear mongering. Sounded right on to me.

[democrat2thecore]

135. Here is Obama's Response ad

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid353515028/bctid1438426955

It starts just like Clinton's ad so don't think I messed up.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

130. People are really jumping at perceived shadows ... too sad.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4823495

[Kittycat]

134. If that was a Puke ad, we would all be screaming from the hills.

Just a month ago, we would have bitched up a storm over that. It really is something right out of a Bush Commercial List. Admittedly, it turned my stomach to see that HRC let her staff allow her campaign to stoop so low.

[AZBlue]

148. Oh, the hypocrisy here is shoulder-deep.

It's ok if Clinton does it, but only she can.

[Blarch]

136. She has embraced Rove like tactics...

This is what losing looks like.

[NCarolinawoman]

146. FEMA under the Clinton administation justifies the ad.

I go into more detail on why, in jornalist307's thread.

[elixir]

152. I have no problem w/ it. any kind of disaster or crisis can occur in the middle of the night and

she's purporting that she is more ready to address these calls. Nothing wrong there.

Maybe she should have a music video of her speech w/ celebrities rapping to it, would you prefer that?

[anonymous171]

153. Hillary: She'll do one heckuva job!

No seriously, she can't even manage a campaign.

[AZBlue]

154. "....someone who already knows the world's leaders...."

This is what she asserts in this ad. Does she mean like this?

CLINTON: ...But I have no doubt, as president,
even though technically the meetings may be with the man who is
labeled as president, the decisions will be made by Putin.

RUSSERT: Who will it be? Do you know his name?

CLINTON: Medvedev -- whatever.

RUSSERT: Yes.

CLINTON: Yes.

Yeah, that will make me sleep SO much better.

[yardwork]

155. That was a calculated response. Politicians do a lot of posturing.

In that response, Hillary Clinton was signaling that she knows that Putin makes the decisions in Russia, not the person nominally called president.

No way does she not know the names of all the leaders. She's a policy wonk, first and foremost. Both she and Obama are well, well aware of all the leaders. I have no concerns with either of them on that score.

[AZBlue]

158. Oh honey, that answer is so delusional.

Give it up.

[sueragingroz]

156. so you served on the armed services committee? Wow!

[goodgd_yall]

157. You're overreacting

It's not "Rove" or "Bush." She brought out into the open what people are not wanting to state. And they don't want to state it for fear of being charged with the "politics of fear." Fact is, the security issue is being ignored. We haven't had any threats to national security for a while and we are starting to feel complacent. I think the national security issue is Obama's weakest point, and it is going to be hammered by the Republicans if he becomes the nominee. Clinton, for all the reasons some Democrats have not voted for her, has more national security cred.

[CyberPieHole]

159. I loved the ad.

I thought it was great! What is there to justify? Obama is a man who can barely get his slacker butt to vote on legislation and when he does show up he either votes "present" or he pushes the wrong button. I don't want a man like that in charge of our security.