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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:03 PM
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Day of Reckoning-A visitor to Clinton HQ sees signs of serious trouble.
Eleanor Clift-Newsweek 2/29/08

The day of reckoning for Hillary Clinton is almost here. The voters in Ohio will either deal a final blow to her campaign or provide a much needed victory that at best will give her a reprieve in the long march to the nomination. A visitor from another country recently paid a call on the Clinton campaign headquarters in Ballston, Va., a place just over the bridge from Washington but light years away. He imagined he would be present at a moment of great triumph. Instead he found a campaign on the verge of imploding. Phone bank tables were unmanned. Bins full of mail sent over from the Senate sat unattended. A lot of young women, fanatical Hillary fans all, rushed about, seemingly unclear about what they were supposed to be doing. Other aides sat in front of computer screens, gloomily reading coverage of the campaign. Howard Wolfson and Phil Singer, the campaign's communications team, weren't speaking with anybody else, just doing their own thing, whatever that might have been. In short, it was not a happy family.

No amount of spin can overcome Hillary's disappointing performance Tuesday night in Cleveland. MSNBC called it a draw, but hardly anybody else did. Hillary didn't land a single blow. Her insistence on sticking with health-care reform as an issue for the first 16 minutes of the debate only reminded people how unbending she can be when convinced of the rectitude of her position. The debate was perhaps her last chance to turn the tide after 11 straight losses. As aides sat looking at polls coming in with the gaps widening, a new reality took hold. They've given up winning in Texas and they fear they may not win in Ohio.

Clinton once led Obama in all the national polls; now she's behind him by a growing margin—as much as 13 or 18 percent in some soundings. In Texas, which votes on March 4, Obama is now ahead in most polls. For the first time he has also surged ahead of her in an Ohio poll—one taken before the debate. Hillary leads in three other polls, but by a margin of 4 percent at best. This is a state where she has the backing of the governor and once led by a double-digit margin. Campaign aides are dejected and demoralized, and they're turning up for work late. It's as if they've given up. Talk of a dream ticket—the idea that a deal would be struck to combine his youth and her experience—was once an exciting prospect. Now the likelihood of that happening seems to fade by the day.

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The much vaunted Clinton campaign operation, billed as the biggest, baddest game in town, had no post-Super Tuesday strategy because its leaders apparently didn't think one was needed. Whether that's due to arrogance or ignorance, it's the campaign equivalent of what President Bush did in invading Iraq without a post-Saddam plan. The primaries are in a very true sense a practice run for the White House, and if you emerge with high marks, as Obama has, it's a pretty clear statement of the kind of government you would run. Obama has shown a steadiness in demeanor and message. Clinton has blown through $120 million dollars, and her persona is more confused than ever. A USA Today cartoon captures the shifting moods with a political weather map and a "Five-day Hillary Forecast: Monday…Friendly; Tuesday…On the attack; Wednesday…Complimentary; Thursday…Hostile; Friday…Conciliatory."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/117151
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:05 PM
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1. Ouch.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:30 PM
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17. yeah, (almost ) awesome.... :-)


Give em' Hill, Bill!

:rofl:
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:16 PM
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31. The 22nd Amendment comes to thought with that cartoon of yours.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:28 PM
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32. No matter how well received Hillary's Presidency is, she is restricted to 2 terms like everyone else
Bill is not in any danger of violating the 22nd Amendment even if he's sleeping with the President.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:36 PM
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33. I see your point,
but I will not concede it. He is not only sleeping with it, he is Married to it.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:31 AM
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40. But marriage is not a requirement of the 22nd Amend...
:hi:
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:25 AM
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47. That cartoon exemplifies the Clintonan hubris that has destroyed their appeal and their campaign.
Hope you are able to shed the stigma of the folly after Obama gains the nomination and the Presidency.
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:30 AM
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48. Are you really that thick?
You don't even realize that Pres. Bill Clinton is fouling Sen. Obama by playing dirty. Look at the caption. This cartoon is an indictment of Clinton dirty politics.

And the free throw on Tuesday? Nothing but net, my friend.

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:05 PM
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2. Awesome!
They're going down!
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:08 PM
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3. "Five-day Hillary Forecast"
Ouchie!

K&R
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:09 PM
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4. Wow, what a devestating critique...nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:15 PM
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5. The whole Clinton political team spent the last 7yrs mocking Gore and Kerry to glorify themselves,
and they convinced alot of media and Dem voters that they WERE the saviors of the Dem party.

Except they forgot to USE that machine of theirs to oppose Bush the last 7 years - - and guess what? Alot of us NOTICED.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:00 PM
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11. well a lot of people who noticed sure didn't seem to care that much......
n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:20 PM
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13. The clintons not only
didn't use their machine to fight the bushites..bil got all schmoozy and golfie with pappy stickin' our faces in it. After publicly supporting the bush war On Iraq while his wife was right there to vote for it in 2002.

Is all that schmoozing helping hilary now?

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:32 PM
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36. I think that was the part that stung me the most, Bill's hanging with
the Bushes. That was unforgivable in my book.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:46 AM
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42. *ESPECIALLY* after what the Bushes had done during the 2000 election. n/t
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:20 PM
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62. Birds of a feather flock together.
I smell a bu$h pardon in another Clinton Presidency, or even obstruction to save him before that.
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:23 PM
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14. It was not just Hillary, let's not forget
A whole bunch of those spineless bastards made the cold political calculation that their personal interests were better served by sitting on their hands with their lips zipped for 7 years. I'm sure that Hillary is a well-intentioned, smart, caring person at some level, as are Dodd, Biden, and Richardson. But if these people want to be considerd as leaders, leadership carries a responsibility. They all failed their responsibility of leadership.

I saw Edwards, Biden, and Dodd all make moves to try to own up to that, and I respect them for that. I was prepared to support any of them.

Hillary never did own up -- still hasn't. That is why she is losing. It has nothing to do with her campaign. If her campaign were more competitive then Obama's supporters would fork out another $40 million to make sure it ends here.

It is called consequences.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:40 PM
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21. Exactly..
... it was her waffling about the war that did her in IMHO.

She's talking the right stuff now, but it doesn't seem genuine and it is much too late.

Elenor Clift is a big support of HRC I believe. If she's saying this, well it's pretty dire for HRC and I can't muster any sympathy for her.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:40 PM
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22. Sound reason,
props
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:48 AM
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43. It always seemed like she was campaigning for the general election ...
... with her hawkish behavior and flag burning amendment support. I really believe she thought the nomination was hers, and was spending all her time trying to woo disaffected Republicans and independents.
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:07 PM
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60. You did nail it. She was appealing to repubs & indies for the '08 GE, and alienated her base.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 08:51 AM
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51. Touche, blm, you nailed it
'they forgot to USE that machine of theirs to oppose Bush the last 7 years - - and guess what? Alot of us NOTICED."

That is precisely why I can't support Hillary. Where was her strident (er... strong) leadership, experience-ship voice against Bush, against Iraq, Abu Graib, Gitmo, loss of habeas corpus...
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intaglio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:27 PM
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6. This is sad
Again it comes down to the management of her campaign and, eventually, to the choice of managers; let's face it the buck stops with her.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:33 PM
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7. that's gonna leave a bruise, but I won't gloat...
;)
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:34 PM
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8. Sheesh, no bias in that piece, eh?
:eyes:
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:59 PM
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10. oh, none whatsoever...............
but let them learn that the hard way. ;)
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:35 PM
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18. Clift has been a proClinton writer for years. This is unexpected.
.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:43 PM
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23. Exactly...
.... and Clift is about as straight a journalist as you will find. She is nobody's shill, but I've seen her on MTP defending HRC pretty vehemently.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:37 PM
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20. No. It is what it is.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:49 PM
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25. No, it is quite unexpected.
Up until recently, Clift was leaning toward Hill. I watch her every week on John Mclaughlin.
I have watched her change her mind over the last several weeks.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:04 PM
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38. That's good to read..I like it when
people can actually slowly evolve based on the facts..and not be in denial so long in takes them over the edge.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:17 PM
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35. Which parts of the piece do you disagree with?
Seems pretty strightforward to me.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 11:09 PM
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39. Except that Clift has been strongly pro-clinton for nearly as long as I can remember.
Hurts a bit more when that happens.
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Divernan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 06:56 PM
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9. Comparison to Margaret Thatcher and Bill Clinton's role
More from the OP link:

"Clinton thinks she is judged by a double standard, or by a standard that can't be met. As the first woman to seriously contend for the presidency, she's required to be two things at the same time: the tough commander in chief and a guardian of home and family values. The two don't easily go together, and there is no obvious precedent. When it comes to toughness, former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher comes to mind. She famously warned former President Bush not to go "wobbly" before the first Persian Gulf War. It was said of her, not entirely tongue in cheek, that she was the only man in the cabinet. But Thatcher wasn't married to a former prime minister.

Clinton wouldn't have brought her husband into the campaign so publicly if she didn't need him. It's like calling in the National Guard after the Panzer Division fails, quips a friend of Bill and Hillary. It's unclear how many ground troops would be needed to save Hillary's campaign now."

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:13 PM
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12. The following comes under the heading of.. WTF?
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 07:14 PM by zidzi
"Talk of a dream ticket—the idea that a deal would be struck to combine his youth and her experience—was once an exciting prospect. Now the likelihood of that happening seems to fade by the day."

Her insistence on sticking with health-care reform as an issue for the first 16 minutes of the debate only reminded people how unbending she can be when convinced of the rectitude of her position.


I didn't see that part of the debate so that was news.


The question is why is the m$$$m calling the debate "meet me in Ohio" a draw?
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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:27 PM
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16. Because it didn't change any trends.
Obama was on the rise and the debate didn't change that.

Regarding health care, that discussion was really tedious. Frankly there are only slight differences between their health care plans. They are both talking about tweaking the status quo that is bankrupting this nation. They are both wrong. And they both probably know that. They have both calculated that they can't afford to have Harry and Louise make a comeback during the general election. So they talk about these bogus programs that aren't going anywhere and wouldn't solve any problems if they did get enacted.
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pokercat999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:01 PM
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53. Let's hope Mr O has enough currency and is willing to
put it all on the line to fix some of our major problems. I hope he NEVER thinks of running a second time, at least not until Sept 2012.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:44 PM
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24. Probably afraid of Hillary accusing them of picking on her.
She was tenacious. It was embarrassing.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:06 PM
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26. "But she's a fighter". 1 2 3 4!!
WHAT ARE WE FIGHTING FOR?!
DLC's LOCK ON THE.. DOOR!
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:01 PM
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34. LOL!
:rofl:
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:50 AM
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44. It started the debate. Hillary kept going back to it, rebuttal after rebuttal.
Clift's observation was pretty astute, though.
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:24 PM
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15. "Dream Ticket" DOA
***Talk of a dream ticket—the idea that a deal would be struck to combine his youth and her experience—was once an exciting prospect. Now the likelihood of that happening seems to fade by the day.***:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Love that 5 day Hillary forecast!:rofl:
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:35 PM
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Well. DAMN!!
Go Eleanor.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 07:35 PM
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19. Good article
THANKS for posting it! :thumbsup:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:09 PM
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27. Je l'aime!
I'm lovin' it!
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:10 PM
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28. There's some of that vaunted "ready on day one" organization & leadership at work!
:sarcasm:
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:13 PM
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29. "16 minutes" on health care. How boring, say the pundits,
...including Eleanor Clift in this article and Tim Russert and Brian Williams at the debate.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:23 AM
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46. yeah
16 minutes expounding....way too long for our sound byte nation

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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 08:13 PM
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30. For a second I thought someone was parodying my "Obama meltdown" article from yesterday
Think about this for a second:

"Her insistence on sticking with health-care reform as an issue for the first 16 minutes of the debate only reminded people how unbending she can be when convinced of the rectitude of her position."

Is Eleanor Clift actually calling it a sign of weakness that Clinton debated the merits of her healthcare program... during a debate?!

"A visitor from another country recently paid a call on the Clinton campaign headquarters... Phone bank tables were unmanned. Bins full of mail sent over from the Senate sat unattended. A lot of young women, fanatical Hillary fans all, rushed about, seemingly unclear about what they were supposed to be doing."

Someone from another country doesn't understand what a campaign office looks like---shocking news!!

Young people are there, and they're walking, walking quickly even, while not sittting down!! It's chaos!

There are bins full of mail! From the Senate!! Oh my fucking God! People are storing mail in bins! It's Armageddon!!

Dear sweet Jesus, Eleanor Clift is a dumbass.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 09:53 PM
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37. They spent about 40 minutes on health care at the LA debate
which was by far the best format. The problem with Hillary pursuing a more in-depth conversation on health care this time around wasn't the 16 minutes, it was her insistence that the debate stay on-topic when the moderators wanted to move on, which they tried to tell her with their pained facial expressions. Her refusal to play along made her look a more than a little tone deaf. Whereas the mods in LA were quite content to allocate as much time as was needed, Williams was set on his own (and rather lame) agenda. This made for a conflict that didn't work well for Hilly.

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WTyler Donating Member (34 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:59 PM
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59. EC is right.
Hillary monopolized the first 15 min of the debate. Obama politely waited his turn trying to get a word in. The moderators tried to break in a few times but were unable to stop Hillary from completely hijacking the entire first part of the debate. Then after getting what was essentially a 15 minute opening monologue Clinton tried to claim bias against her?!?

Elinor Clift was spot on in her judgment.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:44 AM
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41. Good article. And I *did* like the political cartoon that she referenced...
... from Feb 28th:



... plus this one, from Feb 14th, too.



All USA Today political cartoons can be found here.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:15 AM
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45. kick for great news
It's nice to see Wolfson in the dumps. Can't wait to see more of it.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:39 AM
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49. Wow!
Damning article.

K & R :thumbsup:
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:43 AM
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50. Ouch, the truth hurts, but that left a mark
Especially coming from Clift, who is/was a longtime Clinton supporter. Another sign that Clinton's campaign is coming apart at the seams.

If Hillary loses either TX or OH, she's absolutely got to throw in the towel. Her support is dwindling, her negative attacks are dividing the party, not helping her position, and her campaign is being abandoned in droves. She's now got the money she needs, if she loses either state, she can go out on a high note and in the black.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:14 PM
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55. It was a great article, no doubt.
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 11:07 AM
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52. I wouldn't count her out yet. The Clinton Machine may have surprises in store.
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM
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57. Yeah, they're saving them up. In case they might need them.
:rofl:
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:46 PM
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64. Just keeping their powder dry.
Like at the Alamo.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:13 PM
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54. That's gonna leave a mark! (Chris Farley)
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sloppyjoe25s Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 12:20 PM
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56. Wow... great article
pretty dead on.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:46 PM
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58. It sounds like the post Iraq war plan!
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PITBOS Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:11 PM
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61. ..
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 04:22 PM by PITBOS
.
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frog92969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:23 PM
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63. Eleanor...is that you?
K&R
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:46 PM
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65. Are the rats leaving the ship yet?
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