We've had more than 250 years of caucasian male ruler ship.

[stellanoir]

We've had far too many wars and ever increased corporate influence and obtuse misleadership, and after 4 compromised elections leaving us entirely bereft of true representative leadership it might be time for something different.

The fact that we've got an incredibly enlightened mulatto and a well meaning but oft ill advised female candidate are reasons to celebrate not incessantly flame one another.

Peace please.

[Aviation Pro]

1. So what?

The Chinese have had over two millennium worth of occidental leadership. Ain't it about time they tried a Latino/a at the helm?

[stellanoir]

7. couldn't hurt

LOL I totally love happy hispanics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lNk0KM1nCI

[BigDaddy44]

2. "Mulatto"?

[Bicoastal]

3. Mulatto? Odd, I've never heard Obama referred to as such...

...methinks the term as passed out of common usage. It's pretty antiquated.

[TheDonkey]

5. Yes, very antiquated

This isn't old town New Orleans back in the slavery era.

[stellanoir]

16. okay it's antiquated but I feel it is to his favor

he transcends traditional definitions

that is a great thing

[Thepricebreaker]

4. Is there a problem with being male, white and not being ashamed of it?

[stellanoir]

18. Nope and I'm a 13th generational american on my mum's side.

Still it may just be time for something different.

[hiaasenrocks]

6. Your post is full of racism and misandry.

Nice job.

[stellanoir]

20. Nah I feel he is a REAL unifying force

[Bucky]

8. =:oO> ==> (on edit: my reply is now full of wit and sarcasm!)

:rofl: Mulatto! I'll settle for nothing less than an octoroon!

Let me follow your logic here. For 250 years, this country has been led by white men. During this time, we have had wars and oppression. Therefor, white men caused wars and oppression. The obvious solution is to elect a woman or a "mulatto" to be president and we will have no more wars or oppression.

But wait!!

During that same time we have also had liberty, prosperity, progress, liberation, the Bill of Rights, and delicious frozen pizza that tastes as good as you'd find in an authentic Italian restaurant. By your logic, electing a woman or mulatto would bring these things to an end.

We must elect a white man right now! Please people, if not for the Bill of Rights... at least think of the pizza!

[stellanoir]

21. The constitution has never been at greater peril.

Perhaps I feel as though we just need to switch gears.

[Bucky]

32. Look the white men gave us the Constitution, so now they can take it away.

I guess that makes them Indian givers! :rofl:

[stellanoir]

34. Indian givers is the ultimate racial slur given all they sacrificed.

Glad you think it's funny.

[Bucky]

36. I should apologize...

but I don't think I stand a Chinaman's chance of you accepting.

[stellanoir]

38. I don't quite know what a "Chinaman's chance of () accepting" is.

Chinese medicine saved my son's life and is the only reason he is alive.

China, with their T bills has totally set us up methinks. They've been at this longer than us.

[Bucky]

42. Wait, you were supposed to be offended by that post, too

I've been making fun of you. I now have to wonder why you get upset when I use crude phrases that insult Indians, but don't get upset when I use crude phrases that insult Chinese. Do you have some lurking racism against the Chinese?

[stellanoir]

47. I hold no mistrust or judgement towards any faith or ethnicity.

so there.

[Iktomiwicasa]

9. While it's nice to have both

running for the nomination, it's way past time for one of my people to be leading.

[stellanoir]

48. yeah I know the feeling

[FrenchieCat]

10. I am Mulatto, and I approve this message.

[grantcart]

is that word still used? haven't heard it for decades

Is Tiger Woods a Mulatto? What about his child. His child and my grandchildren will have about the same racial composition lol

[FrenchieCat]

30. I don't hear it often, but at the time that I was born.....

it was the only word around as Bi-racial wasn't yet thought of.

I will say that I count myself as a Black person, but when people ask me "what are you?" (and yes, people actually ask me this), I normally say I'm mixed, my Mom is French and my father was Black (although French is actually a nationality, while Black is an ethnicity). The reason I answer like this is because people who are asking this question will not be satisfied if I simply say that I am Black (cause that's not what they want to hear)....so I explain with my long ago settled upon answer because I know that they will still ask me "but what are you mixed with?" if I don't.

No, technically, Tiger Wood an Afro-Asian.

My daughter is is 1/4 White and 3/4 Black just married an 1/2 Italian 1/2 Irish gorgeous guy. I guess that their kids are gonna have to call themselves Bi-racial, because I doubt that they will be able to call themselves Black. Oh well, we will deal with that at that time. If Obama is the President, this will help us all understand that being American is a blessing no matter your racial make up might be.

[grantcart]

44. my 1/2 thai 1/2 caucasian daughter is married to a french speaking Haitian lol

We really cannot understand the psychological change that is going to occur on Jan 20th 2009. Yes people of color, especially boys and young men will have a new role model that is smart, ethical and cool, but like affirmative action the main beneficiary may be many whites that still carry a sense of guilt.

Once he becomes President-elect the media is going to go nuts. At this point it still seems so unreal. It's nice when every once in a while the system actually works.

[stellanoir]

23. glad you do hon

[Joe the Revelator]

11. Is "mulatto" considered to be offensive?

I was always told that.

[stellanoir]

24. I always saw it as being integrative

and a good thing.

[theboss]

12. I prefer to think of Obama as "high yellow" myself

Seriously, the only person I have ever seriously use the word "mulatto" was my grandfather.

[Bucky]

17. !

:thumbsup:

[stellanoir]

27. A dear friend from the South Side of Boston taught me the distinction of "high yellah" and "murple"

I had previously been oblivious to such distinctions.

May it heal our divided nation.

That's what I'm hoping.

[theboss]

29. Well, South Boston has always been on the cutting edge of race relations in America

I'm only hoping your friends last name was not "Bulger."

[stellanoir]

37. It was King

[theboss]

39. Just checking

I had some concerns.

(I'm wondering if you have any idea what I'm referencing).

[stellanoir]

51. Just referencing a dear friend

[kentuck]

13. And Obama is smart enough to realize...

That he cannot win the Presidency of the United States on black votes alone. He understands that he needs the support of open-minded and liberal voters that are not prejudiced or will not support him solely because of his race. That is why he did not attend the State of the Black Union in New Orleans. That is why he denounced Lewis Farrakhan. It may be impossible but he wants to bring the nation together regardless of race, gender, or Party affiliation. He understands the dangerous divisions we are now experiencing in this country, in my opinion.

[stellanoir]

55. Yeah right

Farrahkan is a non issue really. He had no affiliation with him at all. As far as the State of the Black Union went, it was probably nothing more than a scheduling nightmare.

Tough for anyone to be at two places at one time, especially with prior commitments.

[B2G]

14. So. We're deciding this on race & sex

Bullshit. Use that argument and lose.

We're supporting Obama because he's black and it's overdue? Talk about minimizing him.

[Common Sense Party]

25. Amen.

This election isn't about pigment or chromosomes.

[stellanoir]

40. Nah but do you really want war mongering "bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran"

That's just plain sadistic.

[stellanoir]

41. Nah as he says

"It's the future versus the past."

[grantcart]

15. Actually Obama is more Hawaiian than anything else

[shoopnyc]

19. MIXED RACE IS THE CURRENT TERM.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

22. Couldn't Agree More.

That's why I'm more excited about the upcoming GE then I've ever been in my life. We have two awesome candidates and two historical ones to boot! Can't wait till it's time to focus on the GE!!!!

:toast:

[DemGa]

26. And this will be changed by a change in race?

Race, which most agree, does not even exist? Perhaps the few who do not have me on ignore will agree: this is a bizarre and uneasy approach.

[Forkboy]

28. We males have done awesome at the helm...

[hfojvt]

31. that's not very peaceful

Do Presidents rule or do corporations? What about Congress? Like Thom Hartmann, I think of the President as a public servant rather than a ruler.

[woolldog]

33. mulatto

I don't think people use that term anymore.

Try using "colored" instead. :rofl:

[theboss]

35. I think it's nice that a darkie is running this year

Is it wrong that any excuse to use 80-year-old racial slurs kind of makes me smile?

I want to start a thread on the "yellow peril."

[stellanoir]

43. I truly feel it's a neutral term

and really meant no offense.

I've often felt that people of mixed race would have the answer.

Hope they do.

[sfam]

45. Why does this term remind me of the term "Mudblood"?

perhaps I'm reading too much fiction these days...

[stellanoir]

46. I don't think of "mudblood at all"

I think of integration in it's highest sense."

[saltpoint]

49. These darn worm holes. What century is this post in, so I can set my

biases?

[helderheid]

50. Stella, I am the one rec. I know you aren't racist, nor sexist. I am too sick of

white man rule of a country that was never the white men's to rule. I am married to a brilliant white man (though not born in America) so please back off for a plethora of reasons.

[KoKo]

52. If folks of mixed color and women hadn't been part of waging wars in the past

I might think you were making a good point. But, wars are waged by people of all color, stripes and gender. It's POWER...that seems to be the turn on for WAR/WAR/WAR!

[MzShellG]

54. Someone suggested to me that a lot of 'whites' who are voting for Obama...

Are actually mullatoes or biracial people who are 'passing' as white. Does anyone think this is true? Do a lot of biracial still try to pass as white nowadays? I don't know any who do.

[davsand]

53. Oh, Stella--you are in the center of the fray, as usual, I see.

Managed to garner quite the response with this one, I see. Hope you got your flame retardant panties on, however.

:nuke:

Have you ever noticed how freaked out we liberals tend to get when the subject of race comes up? We either don't refer to it or else we get all "Alan Alda self righteous" about it. I think it says a huge amount about the state of our nation that this Primary has frequently been discussed in the context of either genitals or pigmentation. We have not really come all that far, I think.

Tell you what, Stella, I am game for a big old change in how we do business in this country, and I honestly doubt that either of the candidates the Dems have left will do half the screwed up crap that the Asswipe and Company have in the last 7 years. Vote for estrogen or vote for pigmentation--just vote for the DEM!!!!

:hi:


Laura

[RememberWellstone]

56. Race card?

are you carrying it or is it carrying you?

[Johnny__Motown]

57. 231 and 1/2 years, don't you know how old our nation is? if not why should I care about your opinion