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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:20 PM Original message |
It's simple: I would have supported Hillary if she voted against the IWR |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Then you should read what BO himself said about her vote: |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Thank you for the thoughtful response |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
26. He cosponsored the damn thing |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Sorry you feel that way about Hillary, but she's not a saint, she |
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Oleladylib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Best and most educated response to original post..retrospect is a great teacher. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. He has changed his tune--now he is using it against her and his supporters are doing the same. Both |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #1 |
14. 22 other Dems and 1 Independent Senator had access to the... |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. Bush violated the "IWR" he didn't follow the law - how is *that* Clinton's fault? |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. She was either naive enough to believe Bush or doing it for political reasons... |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
36. Yea, Shrub drove the car - but Hillary et. al. gave him the keys...n/t |
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Omega3 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. so did Kerry, Kennedy and Dodd, it wasn't anybody's fault that he rushed to war and mismanaged, you |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Kennedy didn't vote for the IWR. |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Hillary is no more or less guilty then all the other war enablers... |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
40. RiverStone, what do the words 'I made a mistake' mean. |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. He is such a liar. He was not running for US Senate in 2002!!!!!!! |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kyl-Leiberman did it for me... |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. BO's own bill was almost exactly like K/L, but had stronger language. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Hillary voted for Kyl-Lieberman, and Obama didn't. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Obama submitted a bill almost exactly the same as K/l, but with stronger language. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Fine, let's see it. |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. You don't even know Obama's record? wow. Here's the bill he sponsored that was like K/L: |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. "Nothing in this Act should be construed as giving the President the authority |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. anyone with eyes should know that Obama is as warmongering and |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. For the record, it was submitted by Sen. Gordon Smith, NOT Obama. |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #17 |
44. You've been blinded by BOmainia and wouldn't recognize a |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
43. Obama was one of 70 Senate co-sponsors. It was Gordon Smith's bill. |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. and it was stupid as hell. god, when that phone rings at 3 in the morning, i want it |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Agreed |
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Omega3 (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
47. at least she had the courage to vote, he didn't and that's the difference |
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vi5 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. The courage to vote for another blank check.... |
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Aviation Pro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. Tell me.... |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. No I have never made a mistake |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think almost everyone would have. No other candidate would ever have had a shot at her |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Exactly |
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bellasgrams (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
46. Your name doesn't seem to fit you. She admitted she made |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Who are you to call me republican light? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. It's not even so much about the judgement that went behind it. |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. Yes that's another consideration |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. That is a VERY important fact. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
12. you have an Edwards picture --and he sponsored IWR |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I pointed that out myself in two posts above |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. suppose Hillary apologized? |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. At this late date when she's desperate? |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. suppose she apologized at the same time Edwards did |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:30 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. I'm not sure I get the point of hypotheticals |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. I don't understand then your stance |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
31. Edwards sincerely apologized |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. I see...so hers was not sincere enough for you? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
15. did you vote for Kerry in 04? |
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senseandsensibility (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Yes |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. . |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Kerry was running against Bush, not Obama. |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
25. Most likely... |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
30. Obama's record is even less defensible...He said he was against the war UNTIL he had a Senate vote!! |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
48. but how come Obama |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
50. I wouldn't have voted for her anyway |
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jazzjunkysue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
52. It is that simple. Her vote proves she's part of the cabal. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
53. If she'd voted against IWR and dropped the hawkishness that has accompainied it with stuff like Iran |
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Tom Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
54. i would have supported Hillary if she also opposed bill Clinton's war against Iraq |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
56. It's not just her vote then |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
60. I could understand that, though I wouldn't agree |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
62. Early on I ruled out anyone who had voted for it. |
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