Can someone PLEASE tell me just why Obama should be nominated?

[The Doctor.]

I mean, I just don't see it.


:popcorn:

[atreides1]

1. Why shouldn't he be nominated?

And why should Clinton be nominated instead?

[MannyGoldstein]

2. Because It's Obama Or Clinton

One definitely will sodomize the middle class. The other might not.

[RBInMaine]

21. Obama is about the FUTURE. Hillary is about the past.

Obama is by the far the better candidate with much more crossover appeal for the general election. HALF THE COUNTRY DOES NOT LIKE HILLARY. It would be folly to nominate her. Obama is plenty experienced, is VERY smart, and this is a chance to truly turn the page and hand the country over to a new generation of leadership. He has a much better chance of truly uniting the country and moving us into a new era of American greatness. This is an extraordinary, transformative opportunity. While Hillary is also smart, experienced and capable, she is so polarizing that a Hillary candidacy would unite the R's TREMENDOUSLY. She brings a while shitload of un-needed baggage from the Clinton White House years.
It is time to turn the page of history and do something new. That is why we should rally around Obama bigtime. He is without a doubt the best chance both to dramatically change the country and our politics, and to win in the general election.

[Lorien]

50. Just HOW would Obama move us into a new era of American greatness?

Will he address climate change seriously RIGHT NOW? Will he bring jobs back to America? Will he give us universal health care? Will he end corporate personhood? Will he address the problem of media monopolies? Will he get us out of Iraq ASAP? Will he fund REAL renewable energy technology development? How will he improve education in America and make higher education available to all? I'm tired of voting for a canidate just because they aren't the opposition. I want to believe in the candidate's solutions and policies, not just their personalities and slogans.

[hfojvt]

54. Do you expect him to leap tall buildings in a single bound too?

Good grief. End corporate personhood. Sure, that would be nice, but how the heck could it even be done? Through SCOTUS? Or an amendment. At present that would be quite a sweeping change, and I don't see either a President, nor Congress as really having that authority.

As far as media monopolies, the legislation that enabled them to develop was signed under the last Clinton administration, so I think his record is better than his opponent's.

[scheming daemons]

3. Because he's the better candidate with the better chance in November?

:shrug:

[anonymous171]

4. Because the people demand it.

Are you some kind of fascist?

[pathansen]

61. Not the real Democrats

Repubs and independents should not be allowed to take over Democratic caucuses. I've been hearing repeatedly that this is what has happened.

[rug]

5. No I Can't

[JimGinPA]

6. Because More People Want Him To Be The Nominee

Pretty simple.

[Swamp Rat]

7. Are you wearing chainmail?

:D :popcorn:

[The Doctor.]

29. Scale... actually.

And a +3 ring of protection, Eldar's boots of airwalking, and a phase cloak... Thanks for asking.

[Swamp Rat]

36. Too late!!

:D

[The Doctor.]

38. No! I pull out Piers Anthony's servant of the One True God cufflinks and make myself

his devoted cenobite!

*Whew!*

[mtnsnake]

8. Don't you think your asking a little too much?

:evilgrin:

[NMMNG]

9. HOPE and CHANGE d00d

And Ponies. You can't forget the ponies.

[DJ13]

10. Uh, because he's got more votes, more delegates, won more states?

If thats not enough, look at all the Republican policies that were fully supported and signed into law by Bill Clinton in his two terms.

Do we really want another Clinton Republican WH?

[Sensitivity]

11. Read the endorsement on someone you respect. John Kerry, Rockefeller , Kennedy???

[avrdream]

12. Over Clinton, I can't tell you. Over McCain, easy answer.

Both Dems will attempt to correct our economic troubles.....hopefully by ending the Iraq money pit.

[Renew Deal]

13. Because he's cute and cuddly?

:D

[The Doctor.]

43. My wife is cuter... but that just may be bias on my part.

:D

[FrenchieCat]

14. Because we can?

:shrug:

[Johnny__Motown]

24. Here is a link to a different FrenchieCat post that is a partial answer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4678548&mesg_id=4678548

[Johnny__Motown]

26. And here is a link to a Dems Will Win post that continues along that line

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4681514

[GrantDem]

15. Because more people are voting for him????

:shrug:

[MoonRiver]

16. They hope he'll change, something?

I don't get it either. I just feel that he's a pretender, or worse.

[scheming daemons]

20. As opposed to Hillary... who is HOPEless and will never CHANGE.....

..

That's a sellable idea. :eyes:

[Yael]

17. Coattails

[KLee]

18. I'm confused..

Do you mean why you should vote for him? Why I voted for him? Why he will be the nominee if he has the delegates, pop vote etc?

:patriot:

[KLee]

19. .

[Double T]

22. There is NOTHING to see.

obama offers ONLY overstated hopes and pea and shell change.

[RBInMaine]

27. I guess Bill Clinton, "the boy from Hope" who told us "I still believe

in a place called Hope" only did the same, "empty," "meaningless," thing. Right?

[DemGa]

23. Inexeperience and pretty speeches?

Plus he got that Iraq war vote right although he wasn't there?

Alright, objectively, it just makes no sense at all; though it does spell colossal disaster that could set the Dems back for decades -- and steal the last viable women President we could see in our lifetimes.

A f***ing pity really

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. hey Oprah likes him and she gives away free cars and all kinds of cool shit...I trust her

[Mudcat]

28. He motivates people

He'll push through his agenda in a way that is collaborative, versus Hillary who would push her agenda through in a confrontational manner that might backfire. Then she'd be shut down for the duration, whereas Obama will keep on keepin' on, and continue to do good things in office.

[RBInMaine]

31. Excellent points !

[mtnsnake]

34. Motivates them to do what?

Like what has he ever motivated anyone into doing? :shrug:

[The Doctor.]

44. Uhhh... vote for him?

Or posting threads about him?

[TechBear_Seattle]

30. Why do you hate America?

:hi:

[lapfog_1]

32. I don't know, maybe because he is going to have more delegates... -n/t

[The Doctor.]

33. Looks like the Obama thread is winning!

[Capn Sunshine]

35. All Right. I'll do it. No snap answers, it's rather long.

>>Disclaimer: I work for the Obama Campaign <<

This is, at it's core, a fight for the soul of the party. It's a fight by the Progressive mainstream base of the party to gain control and continue making gains under the leadership of Howard Dean.

Hillary decided long ago who she would throw in with. It's the same group of apolitical power mongers that caught her ear, and convinced her that the way to the presidency lay in playing ball with them. The inside the beltway crowd. Rupert Murdoch's boys. The Industry lobbyists who profit off war and fear (Hillary received more money from them than any other candidate, R or D) The DLC think tankers. The ones we call "republican lite" for a damn good reason.

Hillary, who was always fighting as an outsider, faced a choice. Her friends remained convinced that electoral victory meant appealing to the tiny slice of the pie known as "swing voters". They remain convinced a Democratic landslide is impossible. They believe America is a conservative country at heart. They want no part of liberalism.
Throughout the country, Hillarys people were hostile to the base. We were referred to as "You leftists" because we oppose the war in Iraq. Hillary's IWR vote was a point of pride.

We all said "This is bullshit. We're not leftists. We're mainstream."

No response from inside the beltway.

Little did they realize during those obnoxious , hubris-laden "Inevitable" days that the base knew better. Hillary's friends may have fought tooth and nail Howard Dean's leadership, and especially his "50 state strategy", but we knew all along it was how you do electoral victory.

We recaptured congress in a sweeping demonstration of grass roots power.

Fast forward. Barrack Obama says "Now is the time" and makes a few more user friendly statements. Many of our old friends from the Dean campaign have signed on with the man. The grass roots is contacted, and we like what we hear. The rest , as they say, is history.

THAT is what this is about. Whether we get the insulated inside the beltway systemic cronyism akin to BushCo, just with a (D) next to their name, or we get a candidate who comes from the outside, not inside- where the biggest bottleneck to progress lies.

Sure we have our share of career pols in this campaign but this operation is funded primarily by the little people, over 1 million of them, who are sick to death of DLC-driven business as usual and want a candidate who articulates what we want, what this country needs.....

CHANGE. HOPE. Some chance we can fix the problems of this country by working together as Americans.

And proudly proclaims we are most assuredly NOT the same as the other side, just better, but we are DEMOCRATS, here's what we stand for , JOIN US.

This is a battle of people power VS the corporate lobby. Period.

at BarackObama.com there are over 62 pages of proposals and process to show the way. It's all there for the reading.

Please join us.

[The Doctor.]

39. Actually, I'm fairly impressed with his plans.

>>Disclaimer; I am still a registered Republican and cannot vote for a Democrat in the primaries... in fact I already voted for Ron Paul because it was the best way to not vote for McCain!<<

So far, I have to admit he has some serious MoJo.

[Honeycombe8]

37. I didn't get why Edwards was running. We see things differently, I guess. Have you...

been reading the "why I'm voting for Obama" posts? They said it all.

Have you been watching his speeches on TV or in person? They say a lot.

Have you read his website? That has information, too.

You know why he's running. You know why millions are voting for him. You don't like it, is all there is to it. Or maybe I should say...no explanation in the world will suffice for you, if you don't see it now, because you are convinced that Hillary is the one.

He probably would not be running, or not winning, if he hadn't been against the Iraq War from the start, and if Hillary had not voted FOR it, at the start.

That's a good start. And from there, it gets better.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

40. He has more money?

[bowens43]

41. He is the right person for the times.

It's as simple as that.

[dkf]

42. Because he has better judgment, is a better leader, is a better planner

and executes very well.

He doesn't settle for mediocrity. Instead he wants to do his best and he wants us to do our best.

Lastly, his responses to attack are incredibly fast and deadly. That is darn impressive as we get ready to go to combat with Bush/McCain Repubs.

[Hepburn]

45. Because:

1. He is NOT Hillary Clinton; and

2. He (unlike Clinton) can beat McCain this coming November.

Anything else I can straighten out for you? If so, just ask...:hi:

[blonndee]

46. Because he will reinvigorate the Democratic party. He will

generate much more activism and awareness among American citizens, which will make it much more difficult for our representatives to ignore our voices.

[progressive_realist]

47. Ten good reasons with no Clinton put-downs

1. He's drawing hordes of new voters.
2. He has crossover appeal to independents and disaffected Republicans.
3. He supports the 50 state strategy.
4. His campaign management is phenomenal.
5. He has a deep pool of advisory talent.
6. He has demonstrated sound judgment.
7. He understands that words and inspirational themes do, in fact, matter a lot.
8. He has charisma, which also matters.
9. He re-frames the narrative instead of fighting the same tired battles.
10. Old Man McCain is going to get steamrolled by him.

[progressive_realist]

48. I forgot coattails

He's got long ones, which we'll need to get 60 Senate seats. Which we'll need to actually make change (or solutions) happen.

[Lorien]

51. You're talking style, not substance

what about his POLICIES??? Just HOW does he plan to solve our biggest problems? The economy? Climate change? The Iraq war? Education? Media ownership? Outsourcing? Health Care, etc?

[axordil]

52. First, he gets ELECTED

That's the sine qua non the Democrats have missed so often in my lifetime.

[progressive_realist]

58. Uh, I hate to break this to you, but...

No President can solve any of those problems except the Iraq war. And I trust him more on that issue that I do Clinton, who only came out in favor of withdrawal when she realized she couldn't win the nomination without doing so.

Education, media ownership, outsourcing, and health care are all in the legislative domain. Only a sixty seat Senate super-majority is going to lead to any progress on any of these issues.

The economy and climate change are macro-issues that are beyond the ability of any human or institution to fix. The cycles that have already been set into motion are going to play out over the next decade or more. All we can do at this point is harm mitigation, which will rely on a combination of legislative action and grassroots efforts. The limit of what the President can do is to inspire others to do what they need to do.

If you're looking for a messiah to come into the Oval Office and miraculously fix all your problems, good luck. Despite all the BS about Obama supporters being delusional cultists, some of us actually have a pretty good grasp of what the President can and can't do. Policies are mostly irrelevant -- judgment and leadership are far more important. Since Clinton is such a policy wonk, she probably would be more effective staying in the Senate, although she hasn't demonstrated much substance there either.

[ctaylors6]

49. What do you think of Obama saying he'd pick republicans for his cabinet?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/12/obama-says-hed.html

[axordil]

53. So long as they are Senators...

...from states with Democratic governors, I'm fer it. :D

[ctaylors6]

55. you may be out of luck: both senators he mentioned (Hagel, Lugar) have R governors

[Sarah Ibarruri]

56. Okay, I realize you like your candidate best..... that's how I felt about Edwards.....

But the corporate media was terrified of his truth, so he never got coverage and that's a death sentence, and he had to drop out. I was left floating without anyone to support. Well, I now support Obama. Why? I'll tell you:

1) Bill Clinton and trade agreements. He liked all trade agreements, pushed them forward, okayed them, etc. I doubt his wife was against the trade agreements. Could Clinton have stopped the trade agreements? Sure he could've. But he LIKES trade agreements. He assured us trade agreements were a good thing. He talked the whole country into believing that they were good. Now we have NO manufacturing jobs. People who would've worked in manufacturing and made decent wages, now work at Burger King for min. wage. Why did he do that? I don't know, but I don't want another Clinton president selling me on more of those things.

2) Bill Clinton and George Bush Sr. He had barely left the White House, when Bill Clinton began palling around with George Bush Sr. The first time I saw that shit I nearly fell off my chair, but then I saw it again and again and again and again. For a while I suspected that maybe Bill Clinton had become mentally ill from the stress of the Republican coup by impeachment, then I wondered if he had no self-respect at all, but then I realized that Bill Clinton just didn't give a shit. He didn't give a shit that his impeachment had hurt us all deeply. He didn't give a shit that we were all violently angry at the damage all Repukes had done. Bill Clinton just lives for the day, enjoying himself as he goes along with nothing else in mind.

3) Hillary Clinton and her top-down fund raising. Unlike Obama, who started from the bottom-up gathering funds for his campaign, Hillary Clinton began at the top, with the largest corporate and wealthy donors in the United States. That scared the hell out of me. What does she now owe those people? What did she promise them? Money like that doesn't just show up out of the kindness of their hearts. Sure, both took corp money, but in a contest of the two, DO NOT give me the one that went for the highest, wealthiest, largest donors first and above all.

4) Hillary Clinton and her crucifixion by the GOP. Hillary Clinton has been made damaged goods by the GOP. It's not her fault at all. I understand that. However, the insults, epithets and accusations developed by GOP-hired marketing firms and then hurled at her by Repukes and repeated by the corporate media have been around for decades now. Many people believe these lies. The GOP wouldn't even have to hire marketing firms again to come up with new insults and accusations for her. These are already out there, ready for use again. I don't want a person that is damaged goods, even tho it's not her fault.

5) Hillary is female. Whether you and I like it or not, sexism in this country is here, very present and rears its ugly head 24/7, 365 days a year. I live it. Every woman on the planet lives it. Women are held to impossible standards that males are never held to. Repukes in particular HATE women and fear them. This country is hardly ready for a female president. I don't want the Dems to fail to get the White House because some people wanted to test the waters and see how many people would vote for a female president. This is NOT the time. Too much F stuff hangs on the balance.

There's more but I don't want to bore you.

[The Doctor.]

59. Thank you.

Good reasoning.

[NoodleyAppendage]

57. Because he's NOT Hillary Clinton. If Edwards was running against her, my support would be with him.

I like Obama, but I DISLIKE the faux Dem, DINO/DLC, bootlicking, corporate shill, that is Hillary Clinton even more. She could run against a shit sandwich, and I (as well as millions more) would vote for shit sandwich.

J

[From The Left]

60. Because He's Neither a Bush or a Clinton

Nuff said

[Vinca]

62. He can beat McCain. nt

[LWolf]

63. I can't. He shouldn't. And neither should HRC. n/t

[Blarch]

64. He is the best for the WH.

Besides, Hillary vowed to run her race like Karl Rove ...and her husband prasies Rove. True Democrats reject this idea.

[cd3dem]

65. because we can get our kids to put down their video games for an hour on election day!