Unreal! Hillary *herself* coached her precinct captains this morning ... link

[Alhena]

Here goes any plausible deniability- the infamous memo was passed out at a caucus coaching session in which Hillary herself was the head coach.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/elections/821114,clinton030208.article

On Saturday morning, Clinton told 200 precinct captains in San Antonio they needed to seize control of the election-night caucuses.

“We’ve got to do the Texas two-step,” Clinton told them. Texas’ unusual hybrid primary election offers voters two chances to vote for their candidate: In the morning at the polls and then in the evening at caucuses in every precinct.

....

To that end, Clinton backers passed out flyers urging precinct captains to request the “envelope” full of materials at the caucus that will allow them to serve as temporary chair of the caucus.

“If there is no envelope, take out your own materials and announce the start of the convention,” the instructions say. “Possession of the envelope allows you to serve as temporary chair and control the start of the precinct convention.”

Clinton, her voice growing hoarse, urged the precinct captains to recruit their friends.

“There are 8,000 sites for these conventions and we want to be represented for each and every one of them,” she said.

[ruggerson]

1. That's great. Shows incredible commitment

[lapfog_1]

8. Probably as a way to call for the doors to be locked

so Obama supporters cannot caucus, just as she did in Nevada.

[joshcryer]

12. Garbage.

Heresay and garbage.

[John Q. Citizen]

32. It's right there in the article linked in the OP.

'On Saturday morning, Clinton told 200 precinct captains in San Antonio they needed to seize control of the election-night caucuses.'

What does 'seize control' mean to you?

[Tarc]

42. It means Hillary is enlisting the assistance of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

Seriously, you are one of the most ridiculous :tinfoilhat: on the DU. Give reality a try someday, chief.

[John Q. Citizen]

48. I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks!

So, how does losing feel?

Like it's 11 in a row.

Seriously, how does that make you feel?

[Tarc]

How do I feel?

Kinda put off that the weaker, inexperienced candidate has managed to capitalize on fear & empty promises, and duped just enough lemmings to follow him off the cliff.

But hey, thanks for asking big guy.

[mattclearing]

63. Don't worry, it'll be all over in three days.

Obama has more legislative experience than Hillary, has beaten her campaign senseless in a race that was hers to lose, and has the superior plan if you read them both. Sometimes the best candidate wins.

[Tarc]

65. Your really do believe the kool-aid you sip, eh?

Incredible.

:rofl:

[John Q. Citizen]

70. Do you have to attack posters just because they don't love your candidate?

What's the matter with you?

[Tarc]

73. You've got to be fucking kidding me, hypocrite

The likes of you lecturing others for attack posts is like receiving a lecture from bin laden on civil rights.

[rodeodance]

81. 2nd that

[Andromeda]

91. Good one, Tarc....

I'll 3rd that!

[John Q. Citizen]

82. I feel sorry for you. All you have is attacking other posters. I don't like your candidate, but I

have nothing against you except your disregard for DU rules, and your idea that attacking those who don't agree with your choice of a candidate is somehow acceptible.

Shame on you!

[Tarc]

98. Hey Mr. Pot, meet my good friend Mr. Kettle

[John Q. Citizen]

99. If you believe an idiomatic expression absolves you of the responsibility of acting civilly,

then, again, I feel sorry for you.

'But Dad, everybody else was doing it' no more absolves the bad behavior of my kid than does your pot/kettle phrase absolve you of behaving poorly.

Maybe you were raised in a family that taught you that name calling is acceptable behavior?

I don't know. If so, I feel sorry for you.

[mattclearing]

92. Talk to me then. Not now.

I will check on you after the concession speech.

[mahina]

87. I still don't really follow how you can say that Obama is inexperienced in comparison w Hillary.

He was elected to two terms as Illinois state Senator before he was elected to the US Senate. Hillary is in her eighth year in the US Senate, having served one term plus two years, roughly.

? Do you count the years she was married to the President? By that logic, and I mean this sincerely, Laura Bush is qualified to be the President. How can she claim Bill's experience as her own?

As a woman, this argument seems anti-feminist to me. But more than that, it is illogical.

Thanks.

[ellisonz]

97. Well it's a mixed bag of:

lies, tomfoolery, denial, and good old fashioned groupthink.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Penn

:hide:

:popcorn:

[northzax]

46. someone has to be in control, right?

if the rules say you can start at eight, say, then starting at eight is just following the procedures. Sure, you could wait until nine, but you aren't cheating if you don't, right?

[John Q. Citizen]

50. Do you imagine "seizing control" of the caucuses is in the rules? That would be stupid.

And it could lead to violence.

The caucuses are set up and run by the Texas Democratic Party.

I hope they eject anyone who attempts to "seize control" of the process.

[lapfog_1]

74. You would think that would be the case

But Hillary supporters did just that in Nevada.

[texastoast]

13. That ain't happening

and if it does, the precinct's input can be challenged if someone brings it up.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

77. "only one purpose in trying to control the tally of votes"

Over at the Burnt Orange Report:

The phrase, "if our supporters are outnumbered," means, in simpler language, "If we lose the vote, take control of the vote tally and change the numbers."

Place this alongside the Clinton campaign threats to challenge the Texas caucuses and you get a full picture of what Clinton is up to: disrupt the caucuses at all costs. Steal votes, delay the reporting of honest vote totals, throw the process into chaos, do whatever it takes.

more here at the Burnt Orange Report

[Omega3]

2. the Audacity of Hard Work

[Lucinda]

3. Good.

[texastoast]

4. Who are "precinct captains"?

Some of her folks?

There is actually an election process for the permanent precinct convention chair. Unless there is low attendance, that won't mean much.

[Emit]

93. In our state caucus (NV) the party has precinct captains

but, when caucus day started, it was obvious that both Hillary and Obama campaigns had their own precinct captains. I had occasions to talk with many of these captains and volunteers throughout the day. It seemed, too, that when they got there, they thought they'd be having a say in running the meeting. The chair of our meeting did a great job of thwarting this right from the beginning. He's a union guy, and had a lot of experience, and I, as co-chair, had been my District's volunteer coordinator for years, so we both were confident in our roles. If a lesser experienced caucus chair had been there, I could see how they may have been intimidated.

It is possible, of course, that a particular candidate's captain can also be a party precinct captain or even chair. But, I would hope they would find it within themselves to remain unbiased when running a caucus.

Lastly, if Texas, with it's increase in voter participation, turns out like NV, there will be less party volunteers than is needed to run these caucuses. It will be a mess, ripe for problems.

[Yael]

5. I am having flashbacks of doors closed early in Nevada...

[rodeodance]

36. drink some cold water, put your head down--I will give you pillow.

[Yael]

53. Now THAT was funny

Nice! :D

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

78. while you snuff out democracy. Yep I get it. Do anything, say anything,

Its the Do Anything Hillary this week.

Gee, where have we seen those tactics before?

[Maddy McCall]

6. Woot Woot! Go Hil. K/R

Thanks for demonstrating her awesome leadership abilities by posting this article!

[thevoiceofreason]

7. Won't work in Harris County

Our election judges are instructed to hand them out only to precinct chairs in the 7 - 7:15 time frame. No one else. If the precinct chair does not show up, then the packet will be given to anyone else who requets it. Regardless, this will not control anything because the temporary chair does not control the "accredidation" of participants -- the permanent chair does.

AND ALSO: NEWS FLASH: ANYONE WHO STATES POSITIVELY THAT THEY VOTED DEMOCRATIC IN THAT PRECINCT CAN PARTICIPATE. PERIOD. AND, IT IS UNLAWFUL TO LOCK DOORS. THE PERMANENT CHAIR WILL ANNOUNCE THAT THE REGISTRATION IS CLOSED FOR CANDIDATE PREFERENCE -- AND THAT IS FINAL UNLESS CHALLENGED APPROPRIATELY AND IMMEDIATELY.

[Hoof Hearted]

9. Good for her! What a worker she is!

[high density]

10. Sounds friendly

:sarcasm:

I'd like to think we're all Democrats, but it seems the Clinton campaign enjoys driving people apart. Just like Bush.

[yourguide]

11. I suspect if they are in control

they can also decide not to move the caucus to a larger area if turnout is too large for the room although the rules state the officials can do it if they feel it's necessary.

That would be a way to lock out voters.

[Obamanaut]

14. Is locking out voters kinda sorta the same as not having every

vote count? Shades of Florida!

[John Q. Citizen]

28. It's the same in that Clinton will gladly cheat to win, if she can get away with it.

[rodeodance]

34. We know Obama will do anything to win.

[John Q. Citizen]

If by anything you mean motivate voters, well yes. Who is the "we" that you speak for?

Are you a spokesperson for some group?

[rodeodance]

41. sure am guess who

[John Q. Citizen]

43. Why the mystery? Who are you a spokesperson for? Who do you represent?

And in what capacity?

[rodeodance]

59. boooooo. its a mystery

[John Q. Citizen]

71. I find people who use "we" who aren't official representative of a group annoying.

It's a pet peeve of mine, I guess.

It seems they can't take responsibility for their opinion without attempting to make it sound as if they represent somebody else with that opinion.

On the other hand, if someone does represent a group and that statement or opinion is the official position of the group, that doesn't annoy me. That's why I asked.

Apparently you represent no one except yourself, which is fine. So why try to project the illusion that you are speaking for others?

[lapfog_1]

83. Like, for example...

1. File a lawsuit to disenfranchise union voters after the union endorses your opponent.

2. Leave your name on the ballot in the two states that are barred from seating delegates.

3. Close the doors and lock out caucus goers because YOUR supporters are in the building early.

4. Threaten to sue Texas because you now disagree with the primary rules for the state.

5. Attempt to seat delegations from the states that were previously barred because they violated DNC rules.


You mean like THOSE types of tactics?

Right, there are so many of them on the Obama side.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

80. yep, its Repug tactics

if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....

[thevoiceofreason]

15. Or, even worse, decide to move the convention

And improperly notify late arrivers of where it is moving to, or fail to give them enough time to get to the new place, or, as in my case, move it from the retirement center where it is located (and where the whole bunch of elderly can participate) to a remote location.

Be vigilant.

[rodeodance]

56. YOU give her too much power. Get a grip

[Zachstar]

16. Geez here we go again.

And the usual suspects already on this topic supporting Clinton.

Of course it does not bother you what has been revealed about this crap today does it clinton supporters! I guess there is no need to care when it is getting Clinton in at the cost of the democratic party.

Texans do not like to be treated this way Clinton. The only thing you will seize control of is more batshit crazy folks that sadly support your race. The good Clinton supporters are suffering thanks to them!

[femrap]

17. So BO has a volunteer give the instructions...

I would have been psyched if HRC was giving hands-on instructions to volunteers.

Your post shows how absolutely oblivious you are to the political system. OBLIVIOUS AND COMPLETELY NAIVE.

You wouldn't want BO instructing you...??? Or is he too kingly to dirty his hands dealing with Precinct Captains?

This should be a DUZY...how do I nominate this???? Duzy of Ditz!

edit for spell.

[Raine]

18. Hillary is determined she'll get it by "hook

or by crook" but all she is going to do is doom the Democratic Party and this country. x(

[rodeodance]

21. Obama will do anything to win.--being divisive is his trade mark

[bellasgrams]

51. Oh I'm sure if Hillary does good the BO crowd will cry foul

regardless.

[TexasObserver]

19. More Dirty Tricks from the campaign that has little else to offer but that.

[rodeodance]

27. Obama is the oneinto Dirty politics.

[rodeodance]

20. Good for here. Thanks Hillary

[JackORoses]

22. do you ever even read what you have just typed?

[rodeodance]

24. I am surprized you can read. I recall your crashing bus pic.

[JackORoses]

30. That pic is hilarious. Hillary did vote to drive the bus into the ditch, after all.

[rodeodance]

33. Even the MATURE obamafolks were digusted with it. It got locked

[JackORoses]

52. It got locked because idiots like you cannot handle any criticism of Hillary and Alert on any post

Try reading the First Amendment some time. You'll be blown away.

[rodeodance]

60. it got locked because it mocked a bus crash. and your fellow obamafolk alerted also

[JackORoses]

79. it got locked because it mocked Hillary and you and others just can't handle that

I'll be happy when Tuesday has come and gone, and Hillary is just a faded memory.

I'm ready to get to the business of changing this Country with our next President.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

38. can you edit that bus picture to put the destination "Iraq"?

I'd love to see it!

Thats great.

[rodeodance]

62. sure-----lets have him make a fool of himself again.

[John Q. Citizen]

72. There' that royal "we" again. It's annoying. Do you have to pretend to represent others?

[rodeodance]

76. we represent all.

[dkf]

23. Jesus. Is she trying to set up disenfranchisement?

I don't trust her at all.

I hope Obama is informing his people of how awful Clinton is going to make this.

[rodeodance]

25. Like Obama is doing to ME and FL voters?

[dkf]

29. That was a DNC decision in conjuction with the states own

bullheadedness.

Unless you think Obama plotted that all out from the beginning. Ludicrous.

[MindMatter]

31. What does Maine have to do with this?

And what is Obama "doing" to Florida voters?

If you are referring to the Party disqualifying the Florida delegates, Obama had nothing to do with that. He simply played by the rules established by the Party.

It is sad, but not very surprising, to see the Clinton campaign show such low regard for a fair contest held according to the letter AND SPIRIT of the rules.

[Donna Zen]

84. I live in ME

and I'm an Obama delegate. My vote is just fine. When the Democratic State Committee was voting on the DNC rules, many of us wanted to change the 15% rule. After a long discussion we decided that since it meant that we risked not being seated, we voted instead for rules that while challenging the 15% cut off, said that we would abide with what the party put out. Thus, we held our primary at an appropriate date with the same rules that govern all of the state parties.

This went on in every state, and before final ratification were posted on their websites. It is unfortunate that FL and MI didn't debate this with an open mind.

[northzax]

26. yes, it is a grand conspiracy

among 8000 different precincts to actually get people to go to the caucus knowing the rules.

[dkf]

40. If you know the rules and use them to disenfranchise people that is not good.

[northzax]

44. if you are following the rules

then it isn't disenfranchisement, is it?

[dkf]

49. It could be.

In the example above, lets say that the place is full, so according to the caucus rules, you could move the caucus to accommodate more voters, but you also know you don't have to. So you could deliberately keep the location as is in order to keep attendance down.

I'd say that is willful voter disenfranchisement.

[northzax]

58. no it isn't

it may be a bad rule, but it is the rule that the precinct captain decides.

[dkf]

68. Yes, so the precinct captain can deliberately keep attendance down

If you feel better thinking that is not disenfranchisement, more power to you.

I call em as I see em.

[northzax]

90. so be a precinct captain

and keep them open. Or work to change the rules. Caucuses by their very nature disenfranchise people. Are you flying to Texas to provide child care for a single parent so he/she can go? What about someone working the night shift? In a nursing home? Away at college or a business trip? A soldier posted to Afghanistan? An agoraphobe? All those people, and many more are already disenfranchised by the system, guaranteed. And you are stressed about possible issues?

[democrat_nanny]

75. Almost as awful as...

Bob Creamer and all his Obama minions made my precinct caucus where I had to wrestle the envelop away from some clueless child whose only knowledge of the caucus process was the "Obama Precinct Captain" sign around his neck? Gezus. If that guy had stayed in charge we'd still be in that high school gym a month later.

[dkf]

86. FIGHT!

So after the grab fight over the envelope did you have to punch him or anything? Or did a shove suffice?

:popcorn:

Guess you made his first caucus a memorable one.

[democrat_nanny]

88. Cut the drama

Clearly I didn't really wrestle him. Jesus.

[dkf]

89. The "drama" is in the word "wrestle".

Just using your own terminology.

[democrat_nanny]

94. Fine

You win.

You all win.

[LadyVT]

35. Good job! Go Hillary!

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[Alhena]

45. I'm not sensing a lot of love here, Beausoir

[apocalypsehow]

47. Another HRC supporter who's all class. Typical.

n/t.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

39. she's plagiarizing the GOPs voter supression plan

Sheesh.

I figured the Texas and Ohio elections to be 2 of the most vulnerable to this crap.

She won't get away with that shit in North Carolina, if this damn thing goes on that long.

[dailykoff]

69. Count on Clinton

to go first for the dirty tricks. Sheesh a week ago she didn't know what the deal was, now she's telling her stooge's how to cheat. Sad.

[rodeodance]

54. Why do you mock her for doing this. SHAME ON YOU.

[NorthernSpy]

100. Because she's a cheater. Now, EAT YOUR PEAS.

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

55. "Seize control" is precisely what I'm afraid the Clintons will try to do, circa 2000.

[rodeodance]

57. another paranoid obamakiddo.

[AtomicKitten]

61. No, we've just seen what ClintonCo is prepared to do to win.

She learned from the master:

[rodeodance]

64. and Obama has learned from hillary--he says I agree with Hillary lots now.

She learned from the master:

[AtomicKitten]

67. And when he's president, she'll go back to the Senate and learn some more.

Maybe she'll learn to support the Democratic Party for a change rather than her own self-interests in cahoots with the BFEE.

[rodeodance]

85. your crystal ball still has a big crack in it.

[AtomicKitten]

96. so will your raison d'etre in about three days

for you:

[milkyway]

66. Why doesn't she try winning by getting more votes for a change?

[FrenchieCat]

95. That's more difficult......

and takes some skills!