The completely gay unification theory on our candidates.

[Neshanic]

So Obama is going Madison Avenue on the gays. Well in gay publications and all things gay, that only gay people see. Well, it was not to be unexpected, us prizes of the close races can always be depended on to go Roy Cohn and vote gladly for the very people who don't give a rats ass about what we would like as citizens, that being the equal rights.

We have pages of our own here that are gleefully pronouncing their support for Obama; movie stars, tennis players, actors that play gay, they know a meal ticket when the see one, and they don't want to be seen with "non-dreamers". Their publicista all agree, order a full tumbler glass of Obama, and you are so cool. Our LGBT organizations are tripping over themselves to be sitting next to the dream machine himself, riding in the back seats of Tahoes all around West Hollywood and getting all the right words said to a point, that being enough to make them squeal with delight. Our leaders have a history of making the most boneheaded of moves, so they can't be blamed. Scott Seoman of Gladd had his lunch served to him by Vince McMahon who pitched the idea of a "gay wedding" on his poular wrestling/homoerotic display, and GLAAD, those starry eye kids just took the hook. The result, homo-bashing on national television, and a red faced GLAAD sputtering for explaination. This is why our "leaders" and their junior prom edicts of who we should rally behind should be suspect.

So what is it going to be? Will Obama doo what he promises? Will Hillary do what she promises?

The answer is a resounding no.

Neither Hillary nor Obama will do much if at all when the going gets tough on gay issues. If either is elected, expect only the most mild of displays for us, as the first thing that they need is finger pointing from republicans screaming "I told you so".

So whoever it is, don't get your hopes up. Maybe a revamp of "Don't ask don't tell, and some other modifications. But we will as gays will have done our job by supporting the Democratic nominee no matter what, thus stopping the repulican horror show.

Oh, and don't thank us. It's a tradition with us.

[ruiner4u]

1. YUP!...

Thats how it goes down... great post

[grantcart]

2. k and r

deserves not to sink

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

3. er uh I think that the whole world can see C-Span

I heard him talk about gay rights today in a stump speech via CSpan,
I think you can also see it online at Cspan.

So if you don't get that channel on TV, if you have a computer you can see it online.

[BR_Parkway]

6. Speeches are one thing, but none of our current Sen/wanna be POTUS

have introduced legislation to repeal Don't Ask, Don't Tell, or modify DOMA or any of the other happy horseshit that gets spread around so generously during campaign seasons.

Did I miss that day in civics where the POTUS introduces the proposed laws to Congress and the Senators sign off on them? No, didn't think so.

Sorry, like the OP said - it's become a GLBT tradition. We get promised (in very discrete ways, can't alienate those precious independents who might think homos aren't really created equal) - we give our money, our time our votes. Then we're forgotten about again till the next election cycle.

And just to make sure it was read right - it's not just an Obama slam, Hillary is in exactly the same position. As long an none of them want to come out and acknowledge me as something beyond a 2nd class citizen, then I'll hold my nose and vote for whomever - but support them? Yeah, in exactly the same half-hearted way they do me and mine.

[casus belli]

4. I hope he surprises you. n/t

[ruggerson]

5. Might as well make some big bucks off the whole thing

just ask Jeremy Bernard

[FedoraLV]

7. How Do You Know?

When there has been legal and political progress on any civil right issue for any group in the past, hasn't it always been an innovation and a surprise (looking at it from the perspective business-as-usual.)

You cannot know the future, who our Congress will be, nor what either candidate would do in office under circumstances that none of us can see over the next 8 years.

-FedoraLV
(Who remembers when same-sex marriage was a crazy, scarce-to-be comprehended idea even in the gay community: many even opposed it as too hetero-normative.)

[TheDonkey]

9. If we get a democrat in office there will be major advances for GLBT rights

I wish Kerry would have gotten in, there will be major advances under either Hillary or Obama. I feel Obama will be able to get them through Congress better though. GLBT democrats must mobilize because this is a very important election.

[OneBlueSky]

8. "Neither Hillary nor Obama will do much if at all when the going gets tough on gay issues" . . .

amen to that . . .

unfortunately, it's also true that neither will do much to end the war, provide universal healthcare, stop job outsourcing, rebuild America's manufacturing base, halt the recession/depression, fix the corporatized election system, attack global warming, hold BushCo accountable for their crimes, or anything else of real substance . . .

it's going to be business as usual (with a little window dressing) in DC come 2009 . . .

[terrya]

10. I agree with you.

Nothing will change for us. No matter if it's Hillary or Obama.

[BringBigDogBack]

11. I disagree,,, actually

but what do I know? I'm just a gay hope-monger, who has actually met Senator Obama on a few occasions.

Choose wisely. I think one of them represents more than promises. Tho many would have you believe otherwise. :thumbsup: :hug: Actual change.

[Neshanic]

12. I am happy that you have hope, but meeting him is not exactly a Putin type experience unless

you can really tell in his eyes that he will do something/anything. Of course nothing is expected of Hillary either.