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Sun Mar-02-08 01:10 AM
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"What You Feed Grows" or Why Barack Obama Will Be The Dem Nominee |
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One of my favorite sayings is "what you feed grows". It's been a great guide for my life. Whatever you focus on, whatever energy you give out - the object of that focus will grow. Philosophically speaking, it's been a big reason why I refuse to focus on hating anyone for long. It gives them power.
Here's what I see on DU. There is incredible focus and energy on Barack Obama. The good news, the critical news, the pictures, the press, his wife, the local efforts, the endorsements, the polls, the donations and so on. Yes, there are posts about Hillary Clinton. She's got good news too. But lately what I notice is the staunch Hillary posters on DU are posting one negative Obama post after another. Philosophically speaking, according to this saying, they are giving energy TO Obama.
Not all people will agree with my beliefs on this stuff. But to the Obama folks, I say don't sweat the accusations and taunts so much. While the specifics might not be fun to read, on the grand scale what it means is Obama's strength and momentum is still growing. And with that comes a target. He's a big boy. He can deal with it.
What you feed grows, Obama folks. So feed him. Not the hate.
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Sun Mar-02-08 01:17 AM
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1. I'm sorry but I have to agree 3000 |
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it started in December when there seemed to be Clinton propagandists actually WORKING on the site here-they would check in at the same time every day and make the most blatant posts that seemed to come from the days talking points and when we started to call them on it they (and the boards tone) turned ugly and mean-you see Clinton is proud of her uneducated supporters-she relies on them only thing she and her staff didn't count on was that we aren't as stupid as they thought we were. we have been doing a lot of watching and reading and have stayed aware through sites like this one for the past 7 plus years. We sniffed out the phony baloney surrogates here in ten seconds which pissed them off-and they did it to Edwards too, you know Hillary's current hero that she praises every speech-they did the same thing to us Edwards supporters
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Sun Mar-02-08 01:21 AM
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2. You're quite the fighter |
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I've seen you battling back and forth. I'm sure they feel just as justified on the other side, too. I don't know the history you're talking about so I can't judge that.
I do think that the flood of anti-Obama posts this weekend is a sign of something larger. He has the focus and the energy. And when I see pro-Clinton people use up their three posts a day on anti-Obama stuff, it tells me all I need to know.
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Sun Mar-02-08 01:27 AM
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3. yea well they pissed me off |
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throwing words around like "women-haters" "racist" or calling people "homophobes" and "sexist" like beads on Fat Tuesday-like those words aren't offensive to people who have fought hard their whole lives to fight the very words they so quickly accuse people of just because they don't support Clinton-I'll tell you this is was this kind of behavior that turned a lot of off to Hillary-THEM, they did it-THEY are the ones who will have a big hand in their candidate losing with the shit they have pulled all over the Internet and on TV
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Sun Mar-02-08 01:29 AM
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4. from the outside looking in |
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ALL of them suck - the Obama supporters / HRC supporters - what a disgrace they've made of DU
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Sun Mar-02-08 01:40 AM
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But the nasty posts definitely do suck.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:17 AM
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10. I would just like to point out that I, in point of fact, do not "suck." :) |
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Sun Mar-02-08 11:56 AM
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22. That's not what it says on the bathroom walls |
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in the offices of DU PH...;P
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Sun Mar-02-08 04:23 AM
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20. Yeah, you're perfect, though. |
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Sun Mar-02-08 01:36 AM
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5. Growing hope by sowing the seeds of change. |
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Sun Mar-02-08 02:06 AM
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Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 02:19 AM by Tatiana
I don't why I continue to be surprised, but I always am at posters that I have literally read for years... rational, logical, well-informed people who now seem to be part of this polarized obsession.
Yes, supporters of both candidates here on DU "feed the flames," so to speak. And there is a constant rush to point out new DUers or those with low post counts. These people don't really bother me. Maybe they are trolls, but maybe they are new to politics, new to this process and in that context, it is very easy to get "swept up" in the emotions of a hotly contested primary.
But back to those folk who have been posting here for years. If I respond to anyone, I usually respond to these people because I guess in my mind, I feel these people will be more fair-minded. Just tonight, I have read
"Obama has gather masses of devoted minions who only chant the words Hope and Change, as if they were in a mind controlled trance." (joined 2002)
"Should Obama's Rezko Ties be investigated? What about his affinity with his Kenyan Family? and what about his "half sister, Lolo's father and family?" {joined 2001)
"Obama has alot of ties to folks trying to kill the tribe that was so benovolently portrayed in that Hollywood Movie.."Out of Africa." (same poster above, joined 2001)
And so on and so forth... For those that want honest debate, I say bring it. Maybe they'll have valid concerns and it may be right to "concede the point."
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Sun Mar-02-08 02:18 AM
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8. Yep, those posts are frantic signs |
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of people who are angry yet focused on Obama. It's easy to fall into this trap. I have no doubt that the Hillary side thinks that only she can save the Dem party and the country. But there is the good fight, the fair fight, the respectful fight and the fight that allows you to keep your dignity.
We should all hope to keep our dignity. Thanks for the response.
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Sun Mar-02-08 02:22 AM
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9. "We should all hope to keep our dignity." |
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I just love that line. :toast:
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:28 AM
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11. The only thing you're feeding is Obama's ego and frankly I doubt it can grow any more. |
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These threads are so funny. You BO supporters have been trashing Hillary with right wing talking points for ever. Then you complain if anyone points out that Obama is not the greatest thing since sliced bread.
You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:31 AM
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12. I have done no such thing, |
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Please point out where I've trashed Hillary with right wing ANYTHING. You can't.
Feel free to point out any flaw in Obama you can find or dream up. My point is still the same. I'm focused on Obama and you're focused on Obama/his supporters. Thanks for the help.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:47 AM
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14. You all as a group have been horrendous in parroting right wing |
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talking points against Hillary. It's useless to say "I didn't do it." There might be a few of you who don't do it but as a group, you're horrible. Have you not been reading here at all.
Obama has been pushed forward by big money. Have you ever seen such a lightweight travel so far so quickly?
He talks "clean campaign" while he runs a gutter racist campaign, all very calculated while playing the innocent.
He talks change while his campaign is a recycled Deval Patrick campaign, filled with empty slogans.
He can barely speak unless the ideas are written out for him.
He lets Hillary do the hard work of taking positions on issues, then he steals her ideas, gives it a little twist and claims it as his own.
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Sun Mar-02-08 07:44 AM
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21. I have a question about your post |
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Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 07:50 AM by OhioBlues
1. Can you point out who/which "big money" has pushed him forward? I have only heard that it's donations from his supporters.
2. What gutter race? I haven't seen any of that, the only thing I see is when he responds to attacks against himself. Both candidates have done this and I chalk it up to the "John Kerry Error", something no one should repeat by NOT defending themselves.
3. I thought they were all empty slogans on both sides; they are all empty promises until one of them is in the White House pushing their agendas.
4. Obama seems to be a very intelligent man and a great speaker. He seems to be able to hold his own with others, unless you're saying he has a mic in his ear.
5. Issues are issues, they belong to all of us and they all need to have solutions. I doubt seriously that there is a patent on the problems facing this country and a smart candidate will take a look at the opponents solutions and then come up with something they feel will work better.
It took me a long time to come to the table on these two and I sat back and watched, both sides, both here and elsewhere. I have found that neither candidate is perfect. One is much calmer than the other when attacked, and that one has the vision to understand that we need to do nearly a 180 to get out of the mess we're in. A strong leader with the ability to persuade the majority to do the right thing is exactly what we need. I would have preferred Kucinich to be here now, or Edwards, or even Biden, but we have to mingle with the people who have made it to the party and that is Obama and Clinton. I'm choosing Obama first.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:38 AM
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It's just a few supporters on both sides. I don't trash, I have however defended untruths.
Good Luck to Senator Clinton, I think she has gotten a bad rap from her Campaign managers.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:49 AM
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15. She's gotten a bad rap from the MSM. |
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You all cheer them on but the worm will surely turn.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:57 AM
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They touted her as the Inevitable One for almost a year. The other candidates hardly got attention at all. It was pretty much all Hillary. Now Barack is ahead so he is getting the attention. Her attention is negative because of some of the things she herself has done on national tv, all under the advice of her Campaign managers. So her campaign has given her the bad rap, for advising her poorly, mismanagement, not having a plan after Feb 5th, etc. I am pissed as hell at them, because they have helped tarnish her image.
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Sun Mar-02-08 04:00 AM
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18. They set the bar high so they could take her down easily. |
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You all think Obama is running a brilliant campaign because the MSM spins it that way while criticizing everything that Hillary does.
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Sun Mar-02-08 04:20 AM
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19. actually I disagree... |
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Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 04:21 AM by KLee
First of all the voters have spoken, that is why Barack is winning right now.
Who knows maybe it is in part due to the shotty way her campaign has been run, things she has said. She hasn't connected, and frankly is not the Hillary I remember. I don't know what happened to her, but it saddens me to see this. I was so excited when I heard she would be running, I have been wanting it ever since she went for the Senate seat in NY. Did I know the real her then? Or am I just now seeing the real her? I am so confused.
What I do know, is that if Hillary wins it fair and square, I will vote for her in Nov.
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Sun Mar-02-08 03:51 AM
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16. writes3000, I agree... |
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It's became really bad the last several days in here towards Obama. I thought we were all Democrats. I can understand if you find something about him, that you would like to debate, if its in his record or something he said, etc. But this making up stuff, repeating stuff that's been debunked over and over again, are only helping McCain. I don't doubt that some of his supporters, possibly campaign people read these forums.
Finally the Democratic party had a wealth of candidates this year to choose from, not just a few. We wound up with two, and yet spend more time tearing them down. If your a Hillary supporter or an Obama supporter, maybe we should spend more time talking about why we like our candidates instead of villifying the other one. I'm not saying there won't be something that we don't like about them, but at least let it be an honest debate with solid proof and not innuendo. At least do some fact checking before you go off of heresay, or that you heard someone say this or that. You might find someting has been debunked already.
Some of these things around here have became beaten to death, over and over by the same few people usually.
Reminds me of the freaking "American Idol" board LOL
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Sun Mar-02-08 12:49 PM
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23. Yeah, I have noticed that... |
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There are a few posters on each side that get stuck on one issue and they post about it over and over and over and over and over again.
I really agree about building your candidate up. That's ultimately what it's all about.
Barack Obama has impressed the hell out of me. If he sticks to his guns, he will be a ground-breaking President and not just because of his race.
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