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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:40 AM
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Veep! Veep! The McCain Possibilities
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 05:41 AM by JCMach1
Almost a year ago, the Crystal Ball took a first crack at listing the vice presidential possibilities in both parties. The list has held up surprisingly well. But the justifications for various candidacies have changed, and now that we know John McCain will make the choice, it's time for reconsideration. (We'll await the unofficial crowning of the Democratic nominee to play this game on the Democratic side, unless Democrats keep the game tied through the spring. Our discipline can only last so long.)...

All right, down to brass tacks--and a few brassy, tacky realities. In some year in the future, a House member might be chosen for VP. But we doubt it will be in 2008. Congressman Mike Pence of Indiana has been mentioned for McCain's ticket, for example, and he would be a salve for conservatives. But if McCain cannot carry the Hoosier State, he shouldn't be the nominee, and Pence is a complete unknown elsewhere. Could former Congressman J.C. Watts be a surprise choice? An African-American conservative from Oklahoma, Watts gained attention as part of the Gingrich House vanguard in the 1990s. He has since returned to the private sector, though he frequently appears as a pundit on CNN. Unquestionably, McCain is already guaranteed Oklahoma's electoral votes, but Watts could broaden the racial appeal of a party that often seems monochromatic.

Another former Congressman, Rob Portman of Ohio, is occasionally mentioned, too. Portman is a former U.S. trade representative for George W. Bush and his current director of the Office of Management and Budget. Bright and able, Portman could reinforce McCain's anti-pork barrel spending image. At the same time, Portman is now closely tied to Bush, and he is virtually unknown outside his old congressional district in Ohio. While Ohio is a key swing state, it's hard to imagine that Portman would really make much difference in the Buckeye State.

McCain has also mentioned major business executives for his Cabinet, and that's where they belong. Most are unused to the hothouse of the political spotlight; they have never been vetted in the way they would be by the campaign press and opposition; and they are used to having their way by fiat--which means they are thoroughly unprepared for the vice presidency.

The only other major source of VP nominees in the past has been the Cabinet. There's Condi Rice, and then there's...nobody--at least no one who is credible as a Veep for the GOP in '08. Rice would be an eye-popping choice--a checkmate for the Democrats in gender and racial identity politics who would also underline what McCain hopes will be the fundamental demarcation of the election, Iraq policy. This "surge squared" ticket would force the debate about Iraq and national security to the top of the campaign agenda. At the same time, this is extraordinarily risky, given the Iraq war's continuing unpopularity. Condi Rice also guarantees that any attempt by McCain to separate himself from the highly unpopular President George W. Bush will fail. Either Democrat will change McCain's first name from John to Bush (as in, "the Bush-McCain record".)

Rather than Rice, maybe McCain would be better off convincing General David Petraeus to resign his commission and join the GOP ticket. By all accounts, Petraeus has carried out his assignment brilliantly, and he deserves much of the credit for the surge's triumph. Unlike Rice, he cannot be held accountable for Bush's earlier Iraq policy failures, or any of the other Bush administration disasters. Judging by American history, voters consider skilled generals to be chief executive material. Former generals have run eleven times for the Presidency, and on seven occasions they won (George Washington, Andrew Jackson, William Henry Harrison, U.S. Grant, James A. Garfield, Benjamin Harrison, and Dwight Eisenhower)--the best record (highest percentage of success) for any pre-White House background. At the same time, it should be noted that Petraeus is not a professional politician, has never been vetted by the media for that role, and may have no interest in entering the political arena.

Before we leave the Cabinet, let's also mention McCain pal Tom Ridge, the former Homeland Security Secretary in the Bush Administration. If McCain wants to target one large Northeastern state that might actually turn to the GOP, it would have to be Pennsylvania. Ridge is a popular former two-term Governor and Congressman from the Keystone State. He was on George W. Bush's Veep short list in 2000. Yes, he's a moderate and there would be more howls from the right-wing, but this distinguished Vietnam War veteran matches up with McCain in many ways, not least in the personal chemistry.

Occasionally, the presidential nominee decides to take the second-place finisher in his/her party's primaries for the second spot on the ticket. It's logical (Reagan-Bush 1980), it's useful since other presidential contenders have (supposedly) been vetted by the press, but it's still rare (jealousy, hard feelings, and all that). It's uncertain precisely how the vote and delegate totals on the GOP side will end up, but the official "silver medal" will either go to Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney. While either might be picked by McCain, neither appears to be a particularly good choice. Huckabee is disliked by some of the same activists who are uncomfortable with McCain, such as the tax-averse Club for Growth, and there may be better Southerners to match up with the Arizonan. Huckabee could also be overplaying his hand by staying in the race too long. There is no love lost between McCain and Romney, erstwhile and bitter opponents in the late contest. Romney's recent endorsement of McCain is more about Romney's next run for President in 2012 or 2016 than it is helping McCain.

Still another group of presidential candidates would be highly unlikely to take a VP offer, or be offered the post at all. Rudy Giuliani was a bust in Campaign '08, and McCain may be doing sufficiently well in New York State without the former NYC mayor. McCain and Giuliani also share various apostasies disliked by the Republican Right. Fred Thompson was once a friend of McCain, but he ran against him and didn't bother to endorse McCain as his campaign fizzled, when Thompson might have had some marginal impact. Newt Gingrich has far too much baggage, plus a solar personality that would burn the top man.

Thus, with Condi Rice and David Petraeus's exceptions, and assuming McCain decides to pass over all of his former opponents for the Republican presidential nomination, we are left with Governors and members of the Senate, and only a handful of them meet McCain's needs.

Counting McCain's former GOP presidential rivals, we've mentioned over two dozen possible Veep choices in this essay. This list does not include many other long-shots, such as Governors from heavily Republican states like Alaska (Sarah Palin) and Utah (Jon Huntsman)--and as the nominations of Spiro Agnew (R-1968), Geraldine Ferraro (D-1984), and Dan Quayle (R-1988) prove, long-shots sometimes get nominated, even if they don't make much Electoral College sense. Huntsman was an early McCain backer, bucking his Mormon state's intense pro-Romney sentiments, and Palin is a straight-talking, wildly popular reformer whose instincts might appeal to McCain. Electorally, however, McCain would gain nothing from either pick.

What really strikes us is that, for John McCain, the pickings are relatively slim. The 2006 midterm election trimmed his possibilities considerably, and his ideological positioning and age further limit his choices.

Out of our various finalists, the preliminary top picks for McCain's VP nominee would appear to be (in alphabetical order): Haley Barbour, Charlie Crist, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Tim Pawlenty, and Condi Rice, with wild cards reserved for Joe Lieberman, David Petraeus, and Tom Ridge. None is a perfect match for McCain, but no Veep choice ever is for any presidential candidate. As long as there is no scandal, the VP nominee will fade into the background by October, too. It always happens that way, despite the media hubbub when the nominee is announced.

In the end, we need to remember one thing above all. A single human being, John McCain, will think this matter through over several months' time. Conditions may change during those months. When it comes to decision time, McCain will pick a human being he likes--someone he can work with... http://news.yahoo.com/s/realclearpolitics/20080228/cm_rcp/veep_veep_the_mccain_possibili_1

Edited down from an REALLY long article.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:54 AM
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1. Condi would be political suicide.
Anyone from the Bush Administration outside of maybe Colin Powell would be a terrible choice. It's already problem enough that he has tied himself to Bush policies, but if he mixes in Bush people, it's all over.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:16 PM
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21. Yes, she has never run for office. Plus, she's a war criminal.
I hope he picks her. But, she would never subject herself to close scrutiny.
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Thepricebreaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:44 AM
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24. Are you kidding? Condi would be our worst nightmare..
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:27 AM
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25. I imagine she's got even higher negatives than Hillary, and she's not a politician.
That's a risky gamble.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:12 AM
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2. Ridge, Romney or Powell. Probably Ridge - he's going to run whole hog on national security.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:17 AM
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4. I thought Ridge got out because he needed the money
or some lame excuse like that.

A whomever McCain chooses had better be ready to step right in, given McCain's age and health issues
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:49 PM
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11. McCain/Ridge is a very good ticket. They win Penna and it's over.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:56 PM
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13. Uh huh.

Feel the electricity!



:boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring::boring:
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:19 PM
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15. The election isn't about "electricity" it will be about national security
who know how "national security" is framed this thing is all about Iraq and "terrorism" and Bo better find a way to deal with because on paper he loses.

Adding someone like Powell to the ticket would be key for Obama. His running mate has to have solid military/foreign affairs experience.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:46 PM
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16. On paper he wins.
In case you haven't noticed, the FP supported by McCrazy is an abject failure.

The politically-motivated fake color alerts adopted by Ridge won't be doing them any favors either.

60% of the country is against McCrazy's FP. His predecessor, of whom his admin. would be a continuation, is at 19% favorability.

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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:54 PM
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18. Then why is McCain ahead of both in every poll?
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 01:55 PM by BlueManDude
Your mistake is that you think this is a rational process. It isn't.

The reality is that many people who hate the war and think it's a giant clusterfuck will vote for John McCain based on his image. Sad but true. If it were solely about who thinks the war is a disaster then either Dem would get 65% of the vote.

We have to stop thinking that being right on the issues is enough. It isn't.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:15 PM
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20. Playing Nostradamus isn't enough either.
November will tell.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:30 AM
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3. Look "outside": Bloomberg, or Huckabee, or Coors
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 07:31 AM by dmesg
Coors is probably his best bet, and at least opens up the Latino and LGBT vote because of Coors' fairly positive history with those groups.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:18 AM
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5. Lieberman! He's been at several McCain rallies as of late.
They're buddies. And McCain would probably see it as reaching across the aisle and improving his chances. :puke:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:33 AM
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6. Or Bobby Jindal, which would be tough for our side.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:45 PM
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8. too soon for Jindal
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:38 AM
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7. He could surprise by naming Eliz Dole....
That would split the female vote if Hillary was the nominee, and against Obama it would be s subtle appeal as well. She has name recognition and respect. McCain/Dole would be formidable.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:47 PM
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9. I think he may go FL... Crist, or Mel Martinez for the Hispanic vote
Although Mel comes with his own set of baggage.

No Repug math works this cycle without FL
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ctaylors6 Donating Member (362 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 01:49 PM
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17. can't be Mel Martinez. born in cuba
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:48 PM
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10. Not that I give a damn who McCain chooses...
but Condi isn't happening. Nor do I think she wants to run for anything because she'd have too many tough questions to answer for. Nominating Condi to VP SOLIDIFIES McCain to the Iraq War issue which could hurt him a lot.
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Wayjose Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:51 PM
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12. McCain will pick Sanford of SC
and Obama will pick a Virginian: Webb
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:58 PM
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14. What does Sanford do for McCain?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:09 PM
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19. Not Crist, he has "issues".
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:21 PM
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22. s long as he doesn't pick Jeb Bush, I don't care
If he picks Jeb Bush, then we all need to be nervous about the neocon plans for our future. (Color me paranoid.)
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moderatenigma Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:12 AM
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23. what about....
what about lieberman? could be good or bad, depending on which side of the aisle you are on.
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AtThePlaza Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:33 AM
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26. Hellloooooo? Crist is gay.
It would be all over Drudge the day after the ticket was announced.

Martinez has SERIOUS women problems, worse than Big Dog. Plus, he was born in Cuba.
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