Asking for help with this one...

[Paradise]

A relative-in-law from Florida sent me this today, and I'd like to respond strongly, and effectively (I'm in no way concerned about his feelings.). He evidently doesn't know my family is hardcore ABB, as we didn't know he was REPUG. Everything in """quotations""" is from him. Also, does anyone know how many human beings * has killed, maimed?:

"""John Kerry on Defense

It would make one hellova mailer if it were sent to voters.
So... send it to as many voters as you can!)

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our Army will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs.
He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every
agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!!
Is THIS a President YOU want?
And yestersday, 3/17/04, Kerry was lamblasting the Bush Administration
for sending our troops to Iraq without the newest, and safest, version of body armor, the funding of which, he voted against.

Rosemarie
"The Navy's Guardian Angel"
ANCHORS AWAY (My Tribute to Vets)
http://lilitaly.homestead.com/WELCOME.html

My Photo Albums (including 911 & Nam photos)
http://community.webshots.com/user/yankeereb

Lil Italy (Italian Genealogy)
http://www.homestead.com/lilitaly/index.html"""

I'm re-:puke:!

Only know repug who sent it; don't know anyone on links he included.

Thanks so much. Sorry, have no choice but to leave now; be back later.

:grouphug:

[question everything]

1. I don't know about the dates, but if all were after the fall of the Soviet

Union - well this was the accepted wisdom. That once the Eastern block is gone there is no need for such a military might and it was time to turn our resources back into health care, retirement, inner cities.

What has always amazed me is that selfish pugs never think that the problems of the inner cities, of the unemployed has any relevant for them.

[Paradise]

7. Thanks, will send all! n/t

[flpoljunkie]

2. Refer them to this Washington Post article which debunks this charge...

http://www.johnkerry.com/pressroom/clips/news_2004_0312b.html

President Overstates Kerry's Record on Intelligence Budget

March  12,  2004

Washington Post

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank

President Bush, in his first major assault on Sen. John F. Kerry's legislative record, said this week that his Democratic opponent proposed a $1.5 billion cut in the intelligence budget, a proposal that would "gut the intelligence services," and one that had no co-sponsors because it was "deeply irresponsible."

In terms of accuracy, the parry by the president is about half right. Bush is correct that Kerry on Sept. 29, 1995, proposed a five-year, $1.5 billion cut to the intelligence budget. But Bush appears to be wrong when he said the proposed Kerry cut -- about 1 percent of the overall intelligence budget for those years -- would have "gutted" intelligence. In fact, the Republican-led Congress that year approved legislation that resulted in $3.8 billion being cut over five years from the budget of the National Reconnaissance Office -- the same program Kerry said he was targeting.

The $1.5 billion cut Kerry proposed represented about the same amount Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), then chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told the Senate that same day he wanted cut from the intelligence spending bill based on unspent, secret funds that had been accumulated by one intelligence agency "without informing the Pentagon, CIA or Congress." The NRO, which designs, builds and operates spy satellites, had accumulated that amount of excess funds.

Bush's charge that Kerry's broader defense spending reduction bill had no co-sponsors is true, but not because it was seen as irresponsible, as the president suggested. Although Kerry's measure was never taken up, Specter's plan to reduce the NRO's funds, which Kerry co-sponsored with Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.), did become law as part of a House-Senate package endorsed by the GOP leadership.

more...

[Paradise]

8. Thanks, will send all. n/t

[teach1st]

3. Try these

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127/

After completing 20 planes for which we have begun procurement, we will shut down further production of the B-2 bomber. We will cancel the small ICBM program. We will cease production of new warheads for our sea-based ballistic missiles. We will stop all new production of the Peacekeeper missile. And we will not purchase any more advanced cruise missiles. … The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next five years. By 1997 we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office.

The speaker was President George H.W. Bush, the current president's father, in his State of the Union address on Jan. 28, 1992.

They should also have looked up some testimony by Dick Cheney, the first President Bush's secretary of defense (and now vice president), three days later, boasting of similar slashings before the Senate Armed Services Committee:

Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. … And now we're adding to that another $50 billion … of so-called peace dividend.

Cheney proceeded to lay into the then-Democratically controlled Congress for refusing to cut more weapons systems.

Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. … You've directed me to buy more M-1s, F-14s, and F-16s—all great systems … but we have enough of them.

The Republican operatives might also have noticed Gen. Colin Powell, then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at the same hearings, testifying about plans to cut Army divisions by one-third, Navy aircraft carriers by one-fifth, and active armed forces by half a million men and women, to say noting of "major reductions" in fighter wings and strategic bombers.

[Paradise]

9. Thanks, will send all. n/t

[Hav]

4. .

edit: Teach1st beat me :( sniff sniff

You should make a search here on DU as this email was already discussed here several times.

First voting for whatever is connected somehow to "defense" doesn't necessarily increase the security of the US.
But better look for these other threads.
You might like to check out this link:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127
There is this Bush senior quote:

"After completing 20 planes for which we have begun procurement, we will shut down further production of the B-2 bomber. We will cancel the small ICBM program. We will cease production of new warheads for our sea-based ballistic missiles. We will stop all new production of the Peacekeeper missile. And we will not purchase any more advanced cruise missiles. … The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next five years. By 1997 we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office."

Here is something about Cheney, same link:

"They should also have looked up some testimony by Dick Cheney, the first President Bush's secretary of defense (and now vice president), three days later, boasting of similar slashings before the Senate Armed Services Committee:

Overall, since I've been Secretary, we will have taken the five-year defense program down by well over $300 billion. That's the peace dividend. … And now we're adding to that another $50 billion … of so-called peace dividend.

Cheney proceeded to lay into the then-Democratically controlled Congress for refusing to cut more weapons systems.

Congress has let me cancel a few programs. But you've squabbled and sometimes bickered and horse-traded and ended up forcing me to spend money on weapons that don't fill a vital need in these times of tight budgets and new requirements. … You've directed me to buy more M-1s, F-14s, and F-16s—all great systems … but we have enough of them."


You should also remember what Clinton said at the Unity Dinner concerning Kerry's 87 billion vote.
Clinton said something like the work of a Senator might often be frustrating and when you don't get what you wanted you have no other choice than making a protest vote to express your views as there was never any doubt that this 87 billion bill would pass. Like Kerry wanted to let the UN do the work, so this vote was kind of a protest vote.

[Paradise]

10. Thanks, will send all. n/t

[Slit Skirt]

5. tell this idiot....

Let's take a look at 20yrs of Bush jr and see what he was up to....(HAVEN'T DONE ALL THE RESEARCH...BUT I AM SURE OTHERS CAN ADD TO THIS)

1.dodged Viet Nam
2. failed businesses...the last one bailed out by Bin Laden Family

here is some back up....one day before 9/11
who is strong on security....?


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/timelinebefore911.html

September 10, 2001 (E): Attorney General Ashcroft rejects a proposed $58 million increase in financing for the bureau's counter-terrorism programs. On the same day, he sends a request for budget increases to the White House. It covers 68 programs, but none of them relate to counter-terrorism. He also sends a memorandum to his heads of departments, stating his seven priorities - none of them relating to counter-terrorism. This is more than a little strange, since Ashcroft stopped flying public airplanes in July due to terrorist threats (see July 26, 2001) and he told a Senate committee in May that counter-terrorism was his "highest priority." Was he starving current departments for funds, with an eye to creating a new Homeland Security Department?

many of Kerry's non vote had to do with Pentagon waste....and accountability

see below........
September 10, 2001 (C): In a speech to the Department of Defense, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld announces that the Department of Defense "cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." CBS later calculates that 25% of the yearly defense budget is unaccounted for, and quotes a long-time defense budget analyst: " numbers are pie in the sky. The books are cooked routinely year after year." Coverage of this rather shocking story is nearly nonexistent given the events of the next day.

Kerry wants responsible government....Bush wants secrecy and no accountability....

Secrecy----the first refuge of incompetents----must be at bare minimum in a democratic society, for a fully informed public is the basis of self-government. Those elected or appointed to positons of executive authority must recognize that government, in a democracy, cannot be wiser than the people.
....House Committee on Government Operations 1960 report

This {Bush-Chebey} administration is the most secretive of our lifetime, even more secretive than the Nixon administration. They don't believe the American people or Congress have any right to information
Larry Klayman Chairman , Chairman, Judicial Watch

this person you are dealing with is being manipulated...tell him/her to WAKE UP....PROVE HIS ACCUSATIONS or is he just regurgitating the spin??????....some people can't think for themselves and enjoy being puppets.......

[Paradise]

11. Thanks, will send all. n/t

[sangha]

6. Make sure to "Reply All"

and not just reply to the sender. Make his email list work for you

[Paradise]

12. Thanks,

will 'reply all'. Something I wouldn't have thought of doing.

[sandnsea]

15. Did that last week

I usually ignore this stuff because I figure it's a lost cause. But I did it on a whim and got back 4 positive responses. One was from a cop in our town who I would never have guessed was a Kerry supporter. Another was from a retired WWII Navy nurse whose son is a Vietnam vet protestor. And a couple other real spitfires. I hope you are as surprised as I was!! And, NOTHING negative. I think they run for cover when they're hit with hard facts and have their nonsense exposed!

[MoonRiver]

13. Ask him how he feels about bush*s negligance, OR WORSE,

allowing 3000+ innocent souls to be murdered on 9/11.

[Paradise]

14. Thanks, will do. n/t