I want a leader, not a fighter

[NJmaverick]

I want a President that will be a Pesident of the UNITED States. I don't want that will only lead and care about one political party. George Bush did that and I hated him for it.


I want a President that will lead and inspire. I am tired of seeing my nation spin it's wheels by engaging in endless and unproductive partisan bickering.

I want someone that will bring out the best in people, not the worse.



I want Barak Obama to be President of the United States!

[bigtree]

1. No one in Washington is going to relinquish power willingly or without a fight.

Silly rabbit.

[NJmaverick]

2. The power is with the people

Not in Washington

[bigtree]

3. not yet, it isn't

[geiger]

5. suggestions?

[NJmaverick]

15. That's why we need a leader who's goal is to do just that

Not more of the same.

[geiger]

4. Poignant distinction, isn't it. Arrogance gets you only so far.

[TexasObserver]

6. Bobby Knight is a fighter, too, and he's available. About as qualified to be president as Hill, too.

[conservdem]

7. Agreed. And a good leader can be a fighter when he/she needs to be.

I am pulling for Obama.

[NJmaverick]

26. Very true- It's EASY to fight

That's why the Repukes like it. It's HARD to lead.

[OHdem10]

8. I am tired of seeing Democrats lie down and roll over as they

appease Republicans. I believe we need a leader who is a fighter.

[NJmaverick]

13. There are ways, other than constant warfare

What has all the fighting gotten this Country????

[Zachstar]

9. I too want a LEADER!

HOPE!!

GOBAMA!!!

[thevoiceofreason]

10. I'm with you. A leader, not an accountant.

Sorry in advance to all you real accountants out there.

[salbi]

11. 4 more years of fighting will get us nowhere.

After 8 years of party fighting, I am ready for a leader who will work to unite and get everyone working for the good of the country. I am not so naive to believe that there aren't some big fights still ahead of us as too many of our leaders vote only with their parties even when their vote will not benefit those they serve. My point is I don't want someone who is looking forward to fighting (more of the same), but a real leader who has a goal of less fighting and a better country for both blue and red states.

[NJmaverick]

Very true!

Fighting rarely produces positive results. Fighting ammoung a group or nation almost never produces positive results for the group or nation.

[DemBones DemBones]

12. You want someone to make pretty speeches about change and

do nothing much to change things. Bush, too, inspires his supporters with his speeches, you know.

Look at what Obama has done as a senator and tell me he'll do any better as president. No way, dude.

Clinton would be an improvement over Bush and better than McCain, whom she could beat.

I don't give a rat's ass if she "inspires" me as long as she straightens out some of the mess created by the shrubbery.

(No offense to rats, especially Swamp Rat and kin.)

[NJmaverick]

14. Tell me how does a leader lead??????

You talk about making "preety speeches" in a manner that would indicate you don't understand the dynamics of true leadership.

[DemBones DemBones]

16. By acting as well as speaking. nt

[NJmaverick]

18. Fighting is not an action

Fighting is just counter productive. Beyond that, do you understand how little true power the President has?

[NashVegas]

21. Fighting Is Not An Action?

Wow.

[NJmaverick]

23. No- not in the sense you are using the word

Actions produce positive results. Fighting does not produce positive results

[NashVegas]

17. By Putting Her Ass on the Line

When it matters.

Hillary puts her ass on the line. She doesn't hang back and vote "present," when it matters.

[NJmaverick]

19. The Iraq vote?

[NashVegas]

20. That She Keeps Defending, Like It Or Not

..

[NJmaverick]

25. What specifically has she done?

That would be considered "putting her ass on the line"?

[OhioBlue]

41. exactly - what has she ever done to put her ass on the line.

Her Husband was Governor, Her Husband was President, then the former first lady with huge name recognition, born in IL, lived in Arkansas, moved to a big 'ole blue state with an open seat to run for Senate. hmmm. Now she's pouting b/c she wasn't handed the Dem nomination.

Voted for IWR when it was popular, was for Nafta in Texas and against it in Ohio, She threw John Kerry under the bus when it was politically convenient.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

22. I want a public servant - not a leader.

[NJmaverick]

24. A nation NEEDS a leader

So if our president isn't going to lead, then who?

[Divernan]

39. And you can't be a leader unless people are inspired to follow you.

HRC got nowhere with her health care initiative during her husband's presidency because she brought in her own experts, held secret meetings and presented the plan as a fait accompli to the Congress.
She was the ultimate "I will tell you how this is going to be work, and you just shut up and vote it into law." That was her idea of "leading". Well, when she finally turned around to look behind her, there was no one there and she had offended so many people that nothing could be salvaged.

As both candidates agree, their plans for universal health care are 95% identical. I think the 5% difference of Obama's plan is better than HRC's, but whoever gets in the White House will need to work with the relevant Senate and House committees and/or subcommittees in the drafting of legislation. There has to be shared input, consensus building, and shared credit for the result.
Hillary doesn't work like that.

Obama accomplished that kind of creative and successful aproach to legislating in Illinois and I think he will be expert in building a consensus on this and other issues.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

43. In a democracy, the people.

[ruggerson]

27. You need both

The entire history of the United States is one long partisan brawl.

Obama's call to "unity" and bipartisanship is a campaign tactic, designed to appeal to people tired of the Bush legacy.

If he's elected, he will do no more to change the history of partisanship in this country than any preceding president.

Because our system is partisan by nature and design.

[NJmaverick]

28. I don't think it's accurate to characterize

this nation as one long partisan brawl. Heck you couldn't even characterize the last 100 years as one.


Obama does more than call for unity, he carries himself in a manner befitting that call. He conducts himself with honor and dignity, traits rarely seen in politicians.

[ruggerson]

29. I'm sorry you don't think it's accurate

but it's correct.

Without partisanship, we would not have fought the Revolution, freed the slaves, regulated the monopolies, emerged intact from the Great Depression or saved the free world in WW II.

Partisanship has also brought us horrendous presidents who have moved the clock backwards, such as Reagan and Bush.

Partisanship is a very good thing as it moves the American debate forward. It ebbs and flows, but is a consistent subtext in our country's history.

Presidents who have advocated bipartisanship have usually not been transformative or great leaders.

It is the most partisan who have brought about the most change.

[NJmaverick]

30. Are you serious?

Do you think that WW 2 was a partisan war? When I think partisan war, I think Iraq. WW II was definately not a partisan venture.


I also don't think you can lay claim that the leaders of the movement, that eventually freed the slaves, did so with partisan motives.


You really seemed to have mixed things up.

[ruggerson]

34. There was a strong isolationist element in the Republican party

which Roosevelt overcame because of Pearl Harbor. Yes, the war was initially a very partisan issue.

[gravity]

31. I agree 100%

Past leaders like Abe Lincoln and FDR has helped the US get through its worst times and transformed this country for the better.

[hfojvt]

32. I would be happy to have a fighter

but I'm not gonna believe Hillary is one, just because she says she is. I have seen her career. Did she fight the Iraq war? No, she fought Code Pink instead. Did she fight Alito or Roberts? No, she argued against a fillibuster that Kerry lead. The only time she showed some real passion for fighting was 1) when she herself was attacked, and 2) when somebody suggested removing the cap on Social Security taxes and she fought against "a trillion dollar tax increase on the middle class". At least until Obama punked her in the debate.

[F.Gordon]

33. Reagan was a "leader"

A damn good one. Even in death he inspires his followers. Ya' see... "Leaders" need "followers". I'm not real big on that whole "follow me" thing. I don't need to be "inspired" or have "hope". I just want someone to kickass and get shit done.

I do want a fighter. This country is in some serious hurt and I don't want to have to stare at a "blank slate" while our country continues to slide down the crapper.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. I concur!!!

[F.Gordon]

36. Thanks

:hi:

I seem to be a good Thread Killer
:shrug:

Maybe Skinner should hire me to clean up GDP
:rofl:

[DemBones DemBones]

44. Only to right-wingnuts. The rest of us despised him.

He put people out of mental hospitals on to the streets, not caring that they would be homeless. When you see a homeless person, thank Reagan for his "leadership."

He also cut funding for special education, which meant that a lot of special ed students were put in regular classes, where they could not do the work, and many dropped out.

And he tried to say catsup was a vegetable to cut the cost of school lunches.

A real leader, alright, and a big phony who talked about God and morals but never went to church and knocked up Nancy Davis while still married to Jane Wyman. The media rarely even mentioned he was divorced, though we'd never had a divorced president before.

Nancy and his staff were covering up for him in his second term when his mind was going, and she planned all his events after consulting with her astrologer! :eyes: Poppy Bush no doubt made most of the decisions since he was VP.

[lame54]

37. I want a leader who's a fighter...

Not to fight other countries but to fight rabid republicans who will try to smear and undermine us at every turn

[Cha]

38. And hilary is always "fighting"

for the wrong things..what kinda fighter is that?

Obama is the leader and it's never been more evident than in this Democratic Primary race across the country.

[OhioBlue]

40. I agree.

I've thought for a while now that Hill's "I'm a fighter" message was a huge mistake for her campaign. While Barack is talking about hope and change and actually accomplishing something in DC They are reminding everyone of the partisan battles that people are so sick of and campaigning on it.

Obama is so much better than her at branding, framing the issues, inspiring people, etc. The Clintons were right for the '90s but their time has passed.

[Whisp]

42. Hillary's 'I'm Strong, I'm a fighter' doesn't wash with me.

she repeatedly tells us this as if to ensure Herself that's what she is about and is trying to sell herself on it. Well, Hillary, you were pretty gawd damned weak in your stances against the Bush machine too many times for me to believe it.

Obama, (not to my knowledge) says these things. It would sound silly actually for him to say that. His ideas are strong, yes. but he doesn't go out there on the stump beating his personal chest about it.