Will it be Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton on the Democratic ticket?

[leftrightwingnut]

Disclaimer: I have no horse in this race. I am looking for thoughtful, partisan-free responses (inasmuch as that is possible. :patriot:)

Some of the news that I have read indicates that both Clinton and Obama will be in a virtual dead heat at the convention with only the super delegates to decide who gets the nomination.

Obama has recently narrowed the gap and, much to my surprise, the mainstream media seems to be abandoning the pre-supposition of Clinton as the nominee and picking up on and supporting the idea of Obama as the Democratic candidate.

How do you think it will shake out at the convention and why?

[Recursion]

1. This idea becomes sillier every day

They both undercut the other's campaign message. Not only does neither bring anything to the other's ticket, both actually work against the other's ticket:

1) Obama can't say "I'm running for change and against emplaced partisan interests" and then run with someone named "Clinton"
2) Clinton can't say "I represent experience and competence" and then nominate a two-thirds-of-a-term senator who is largely an unknown factor to many

[tekisui]

2. Obama will have the most Pledged Delecates, the most Popular votes,

The most state wins, by the largest margins, and in the end, the most Super delegates.

Obama will be the nominee, I don't think Hillary would want the Veep job, but I believe she will get to name her next position, whether it's Senate Majority Leader, Cabinet position or a seat on the SC.

Obama will chose a strong Veep with Foreign Policy experience, not from the Senate. Someone like a Bill Richardson or a Wes Clark.

[Pokey Anderson]

6. Wes Clark is campaigning in Texas for Hillary.

I think someone strong on foreign policy would be an excellent counterpoint for Obama though. But, hey, let's think "diplomacy" rather than gun barrel, eh.

I know, it's a radical idea.

[tekisui]

7. I agree with you.

I would much rather have diplomacy, Clark is a general against war, however. I know he is a Clinton supporter, but when Obama wins, all Dems become Obama supporters.

Richardson is good. More diplomatic foreign policy ideas?

[Debi]

3. God I hope not n/t

[workinclasszero]

4. Really, you aren't serious are you?

A so-unity ticket died when Hillary screamed SHAME ON YOU BARACK OBAMA.

Then she says he isn't competent enough to be CinC. Is Hillary going to take back all the shit shes been shoveling on Obama??

LOL

[leftrightwingnut]

8. I admit, a unity ticket does seem remote at this point.

Political expedience may prevail, however. I have always been amazed by the ability of the political parties to make up after heavy in-fighting in time for the general election.

I think that both Obama and Clinton are big enough and smart enough to see that they need to play the game and aren't taking it personally.

Their supporters are different story, however. :-)

[John Q. Citizen]

14. It has nothing to do with rancor and everything to do with message. They can't run together

because it would destroy the whole message.

Would Obama's new message be 'Change! but not so much...'?

Running together would be extremely un-expedient. It would be political suicide.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. Narrowed the gap?

Obama is far ahead at this point, both in terms of pledged delegates and total delegates (including superdelegates). Clinton will need huge wins (58%+) in every single remaining contest just to tie up the pledged delegate count.

[leftrightwingnut]

12. My word choice was very poor. I stand corrected.

n/t

[Kittycat]

9. Scorched Earth won't get her name on the ticket.

I can also see a scenario where if she were VP, she would be constantly undermining the President. Can't really trust her to be honest, after seeing her sham of a campaign.

[bilgewaterbill]

10. Obama/Gregoire

[polichick]

11. The sad truth is that Clinton as veep wouldn't help us in the GE...

Obama has to choose wisely, thinking about foreign relations and ensuring the Dems take certain states.

[leftrightwingnut]

13. Is that because you think she wouldn't help us as the headliner?

It's hard to explain away all of the support she does have, especially among women.

[John Q. Citizen]

16. Even if Hill miraculously won every remaining state by 20% points, she couldn't

run with Obama as her VP.

She has repeatedly attempted to make the case that Obama isn't qualified to be President. That's her message; She is he isn't.

Will her new message be 'Ready on day one, but if something happened to me I'm going to leave someone in charge who isn't up to the job'?

The vast overwhelming majority of Dems (including Dem women) will vote for Obama in the general, unless something extraordinary happens between now and Tuesday. If you look at the delegate math and the remaining states, Obama is as close to a shoo-in as it gets to get the majority of pledged delegates and to win the popular vote in this nomination process. With that comes the super delegates and the nomination.

Nobody in their right mind would argue for a "unity ticket" who knows anything about politics. A unity ticket would hand the election to the Repos. Stepping all over the messgages that have been so carefully crafted and nurtured for the last year isn't the road to success.

[polichick]

17. imo she'd energize Republicans to come out to vote...

...and many Indies who are leaning toward Obama now would go with McCain if she's on the ticket.

[adoraz]

15. Obama-Other, easily.