Is Hillary a hero?

[JVS]

Please discuss your vote too.

[fenriswolf]

1. Hero?

yeah she has co sponsered some bills to help out some people but a hero? c'mon.

[ingac70]

2. She hasn't done anything to qualify her as a hero. n/t.

[liberalnurse]

23. Neither has the Prophet Obama....

[JVS]

25. If you want to talk about him being a hero or not, start your own fucking thread.

This thread is about Hillary

[Milo_Bloom]

3. TO be a "hero: one must do something courageous..

I see absolutely no courage in Clinton's recent past (I can't speak for 20 years ago), but since she has been in the public spot light, I see no acts of political courage.

To be fair, I don't see any such acts from Obama either, but I don't see acts of political cowardace from Obama, so that gives him a leg up, but I wouldn't call him a hero either.

[yourguide]

4. Can you add

"hell no" to the poll choices?

[JVS]

5. I'd prefer not to edit the poll. I think No is adequate

[ElsewheresDaughter]

6. flamebait

[JVS]

8. How? I presented a question; I didn't editorialize at all. What is flamebaity about this?

[rodeodance]

15. YOu know that results will be biased given the composition on the board .SHAME ON YOU.

[jakem]

21. maybe i misunderstand... you are throwing a lot of SHAME around lately-

is this :sarcasm: or just silliness?

[rodeodance]

32. directed at divisive OP. I save it for those who deserve it.

[jakem]

33. i dunno, seems like a reasonable, if unpopular position-

if i believed in what hillary stood for, i might call her a hero for her political bravery-

wish i could do that!

[rodeodance]

35. whatever--my point is results will be skewed give the Obamanation composion

on this board. simple as that.

[jakem]

36. given that premise, why do the H's persist here at all?

a bit late in the game to complain about the unjustness of DU-

thats all.

[From The Left]

7. She's a War-Loving, Corporate-Owned Hawk

There's nothing remotely "heroic" about her.

[Johnny__Motown]

9. To me a hero demonstrates courage and self sacrifice. I will just leave it at that

[Tropics_Dude83]

13. Well said from and Just

[complain jane]

10. She's a hero.

She has to deal with the crap from the right plus the crap from those in her own party, all because she's doing the same things every other presidential candidate has done to varying degrees.

She's a hero just for having the fortitude to put up with the shrill, ridiculous and embarrassing hostility of so many here and on the right. And lately I don't see a lot of distinction between those 2 groups.

[pocoloco]

17. Speaking of shrill and embarassing!! LOL

Well, you brought it up!

[JackORoses]

11. She is an Anti-Hero. She doesn't inspire, she repels.

If she were a Marvel character, she would be known as Super Teacher's Pet.

[LWolf]

12. No. Neither is Obama. What's the point? n/t

[Forkboy]

44. What LWolf said.

[Mass]

14. What prompted this question? She is not, neither is any of the other candidates, Republicans or

Democrats. We do not need heroes, we need people able to lead in the right direction.

It has often been a big weakness of the democrats to want their hero and to forget candidates are only human, then, when they show their weaknesses, to discard them. It is not a strength of the party. It is a weakness. Better somebody who fails and learns than somebody who does not learn. Obama has made mistakes in his life and learned from them. Did Hillary Clinton do the same is the real issue and her difficulty recognizing her mistakes is a real issue for me (reminds me too much of Bush).

[uppityperson]

best answer so far. Good and thank you. eom

[JVS]

22. Thanks for your opinion. I'm just collecting some info.

I'll reveal what prompted this question when I feel that enough people have had their chance to voice their opinions on the matter. If you're really curious, look around. You could probably find out why.

[JVS]

45. This is what prompted the question

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4845055&mesg_id=4845666

[jody]

16. Neither Hillary nor BO are heroes in the proper use of the word. McCain is a hero for his deeds

while a POW but IMO his performance as a politician are not worthy of respect much less veneration.

A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life.

A person noted for special achievement in a particular field.

[Hepburn]

18. Ummmmmm....not only NO, but FUCKING NO!

Let's review a few things:

1. Voted FOR the IWR.

2. Voted AGAINST banning Cluster Bombs.

3. Voted AGAINST the Levin Amendment.

Ummmmm....hero??? Shit is not even human IMO. No one with a heart and a brain would EVER vote like the above. Color her neocon war hawk in faux Dem clothing.

JMHO

[gerrilea]

19. Here's why I think she's a hero to me and my family

I posted this a bit ago here at DU...enjoy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4734529

:hide:

[Lucinda]

31. I missed that when you first posted...

This is exactly how I see her POV on holding political office:

"...You see, I really believe that Senator Clinton understands one thing...that SHE IS MY PUBLIC SERVANT and her 1st and foremost duty is to her constituents...ME...that we are the reasons she has a job..."

Thanks for pointing to it!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. Woooohoooo!!!! Another "Are You A Hillary Supporter Or An Obama Supporter" Poll!!! Yayyyyyy!!!!!!!

God polls like this are dumb. Just call them what they are, will ya?

[Dogmudgeon]

29. Welcome to the 13th Grade

Remember, the Heathers are in charge.

Keep that in mind or you are like so totally rejected.

--p!
Well fuck me gently with a chainsaw!

[NashVegas]

24. "There Is a Vast Right Wing Conspiracy"

When no one else dared say it, she said it and faced the criticism.

[MaineDem]

26. I do not support Hillary at this point BUT

She is taking a major step for women by being the first of her gender to become so close to nomination by a major party for the Presidency. In this regard, she is a leader, a trail-blazer, a role model, and to some extent, a hero.

Like her or not, support her or not, she's doing something historical. Which, by the way, can also be said of her opponent.

[JVS]

27. "and to some extent, a hero" So that's a yes?

Thanks for the input.

[AZBlue]

28. What has she done that would be described as heroic?

Nada.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. Here's why I say Hillary is no hero . . .

A hero is someone who does heroic acts and doesn't speak about them - they let others tell the tale. Hillary's boasting about spirial landings, dodging bullets, etc. while she goes around saving the world is starting to grate.

Hillary has done a lot of what "good works," there's no doubt about that and she is to be commended. It would be nice, however, if Hillary showed just a little humility, as Obama is prone to do.

Now if Hillary would bow out of the race gracefully, I'd give her heroic kudos for that, but dont' count on it happening.

[jlake]

34. No, I do not think any politicians are heroes. I admire Hillary greatly but would

not be comfortable calling her a hero.

[Upton]

37. She's no hero

in fact, the events of the last few days have made me lose respect for her as well.

[apocalypsehow]

38. No. She's a Senator from New York, and a pretty good one, and she's going to remain a pretty good

one after the primary is over and Senator Obama is our nominee. She is also a trail-blazer in many important ways. But she's not a "hero" in any legitimate sense of the word.

[nonconformist]

39. For women and children she is. She's spoke out and done a lot in their behalf. nt

[KAZ]

40. As an Obama supporter I voted yes. Anyone who puts..

.. themselves on the line to help break down social barriers gets a big thumbs up from me. Not heroic at the Anthony, Parks, and King level, but making a difference none the less.

[mudesi]

41. A hero? For being complicit in Iraq?

:wtf:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

42. no. see this link

The Moral Failure of Hillary Clinton and Her Campaign
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4847587

[THUNDER HANDS]

43. like Sylar?

[Recursion]

46. I think she's all right, definitely not "hero"

A fairly competent back-bench legislator who apparently thinks significantly more highly of herself than a lot of the country does. I'm surprised anyone would call her a "hero", though.

The only remotely heroic person running is McCain, though I guess some of Edward's lawyering could be called heroic.

[saltpoint]

47. I would say yes. The woman is making history, no matter who wins the

Wyoming contest or by how much she wins or loses this or that state.

She's in the history textbooks now and high school students from this point forward will benefit from the historical example.

Public service is a brave thing.

[Perry Logan]

48. I think she should spend some time suing the assholes at DU who've been smearing her.