The "red phone" ad, 24 hours later

[Johnny__Motown]

Hasn't this already been turned around to question Hillary's judgment?

It seems to this Obama supporter that she has screwed the pooch on this one and is unable to grasp that fact.


There are reports of her now referencing the add during rallies and continuing to attack Barack suggesting he isn't ready for that call.


Doesn't she have anything else to say? Is she just mindlessly following the instructions of her advisers, again?

How can she be ready for that inevitable phone call when she can't even grasp what is happening all around her?


I'm sorry if this sounds insulting but she seems to be embarrassing herself over this and should move on. She is again showing that she considers herself ready on day one because she is unable to adapt to changing circumstances and is therefore not ready for day two, or any other day that follows.

[lligrd]

1. She's Not Only Embarrassing Herself

That ad should be an embarrassment to all Democrats.

[NightWatcher]

2. the red phone ad was a desperate, last ditch effort to scare up support and it failed

as have all of her (and Mark Penn's) plans

[jenmito]

6. Evan Bayh was on FTN this morning trying to scare us even further to try to get us to

vote for her. He stole Bush's line, "It's not a matter of if but when" we'll be attacked again, saying we need to "hire a president" who's seasoned and experienced and prepared to be CIC on day one for these dangerous times. :eyes:

[NightWatcher]

12. I saw that and was disgusted. He was pushing the fear like a Rovian robot

that should keep him out of an Obama cabinet and should be used against him when he runs next time.

It was shameful

[jenmito]

14. Yup. The Clinton camp and the Bush/Rove camp are indistinguishable. n/t

[JTFrog]

18. You have to admire the way they stick together on the important republican issues tho.

Clinton, Bayh and Lieberman. The trio that will protect my kids from dangerous video games by sending them to the front lines and to doctors who won't have to treat them because it's against their religion.

[jenmito]

20. Yes. Just like the Republicans. They get their talking points and stick to 'em. n/t

[MidwestTransplant]

33. Still waiting to hear what crisis she handled.

[ORDem]

50. Me too! Maybe they were out of TP during the '95 Women's Conference

and she took care of that. Wouldn't that count?

:kick:

[Hieronymus]

47. Straight out of Karl Rove's playbook. It's so disgusting ....

The Clintons are Republican lite.

[DJ13]

3. The red phone ad was a direct ripoff of a Mondale ad in 1984

Yes, Hillary once again was plagerizing a past campaign.

Whats new?

[Johnny__Motown]

29. Nothing, I have no problem with her using that format for an ad, they all do that

I am trying to say

Her campaign is facing an emergency right now

She can't adapt to the changing situation all around her

She seems to not be ready to handle an emergency

[democrat2thecore]

4. You actually make a very good point

She is oblivious to the reality that the Obama campaign rapidly turned that around on her and nailed her. It's been a net loss for her. Yet, she doesn't seem to grasp that. You make a very good point.

corrected spelling error.

[Johnny__Motown]

8. Thanks, I try

[Lucinda]

5. I liked the ad. And IMO anyone who doesn't look at the candidates in terms of

leadership in times of an emergency is a fool.

[jenmito]

9. What makes her ready to make a CIC decision in a time of an emergency?

[grytpype]

15. Yeah, when did she ever do that?

It's not like she was a Green Beret colonel or anything, where did she get all this great judgment and experience?

It's so funny that when Mark Penn was asked that same question, the most he could come up with was some phony-baloney women's conference or something. D-Day it wasn't.

[jenmito]

19. Maybe through osmosis?

I'm so glad Penn couldn't answer the question :D

[JVS]

24. she watched bill do it for 8 years

[Johnny__Motown]

31. But wasn't she overseas gaining all that foreign policy experience we have all heard about?

[Obamanaut]

48. As an aircraft maintenance man, I watched Navy pilots on aircraft

carriers land and take off for a lot longer than eight years, but I betcha that didn't make me ready to do it myself.

[Johnny__Motown]

54. are you sure? have you tried? wait, bad idea. nevermind

[Johnny__Motown]

13. I am saying she is in an emergency right now, and is not showing good judgment

[grytpype]

16. You got it.

She's floundering, and she should have dropped out after losing 11 primaries in a row.

[Lucinda]

25. I diasgree. Shes been making the case, for quite a while, that National Secuity

is an important consideration to make in selecting the president, and that it WILL be a big issue in the general. This isnt a new line of discussion for her.

It amazes me to see Dems claiming that talking about the unknown is fearmongering. NOT talking about it is a weakness that has developed becaus the Reps have used it as a weapon against the electorate.

She simply says that voters should take it into consideration. I agree with her.

[dkf]

34. She blew the deal already. So far I hate her judgments on foreign affairs

and national security.

How has this "experience" helped her in any way? I don't see it.

[Lucinda]

45. What would you have done with the NIE info they had regarding the IRG?

I think she made a good call based on the info they had.

I think she was too trusting that junior would do anything close to the right thing in her IWR vote, but I understand why it was made.

[dkf]

46. She didn't read it.

What is more, some who did read it said it raised a whole bunch of red flags and they were the ones who voted against it.

She didn't do her homework.

[Lucinda]

49. I'm talking about the IRG vote and that NIE

She was briefed on the IWR NIE by those who wrote it.

[DearAbby]

55. Ahhh.....READ IT ..maybe? n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

37. But she can't adjust to a changing situation, she is proving herself unable to cope

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. What's the emergency?

There's an economic emergency going on. But that phone rings on Friday when you see your shitty paycheck, not at 3am.

Iraq was trumped up bullshit.

Terrorism can, for the most part, be solved by ceasing to invade, manipulate, interfere, assassinate, undermine the affairs of sovereign nations. If we spent a tenth of our military budget on positively engaging other nations instead of blowing them up, we'd be way ahead of the curve.

Iow, fuck fear.

[Lucinda]

30. I certainly would have liked someone competent on the other end of the phone when Katrina happened.

You see the discussion as fearmongering, I see it as a call for voters to look for competence in the CoC. Hillary is making her case. Obama is doing the same every time he talks about her judgement.

Can you honestly tell me you haven't looked at the candidates and made an assessment of their ability to lead in a national emergency?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

36. They're both intelligent.

That puts us leaps and bounds beyond our current predicament.

Hillary is probably better versed in specifics and Obama is better set up to lead. They both show the ability to critically think and respond to events. This is the criteria that matters. Not the ability to fearmonger. Not experience. Dare I say "judgment?"

The war vote, fair or unfair as a criteria, tips me towards Obama. That and my distaste for familial strangleholds on the Executive. They're both capable and qualified, however. Bullshit fear ads are distasteful, unnecessary and only contribute to our decaying political discourse.

[Johnny__Motown]

40. I can agree with the majority of that, i am just saying she seems unable to adapt quickly

[Johnny__Motown]

35. It is an analogy for the state her campaign is in. and she can't adjust to solve the problem

[Blue Diadem]

44. Well, if she responds to an emergency in the same way she's

responding to Obama's potential win, it doesn't look like she would do too well IMO.

[grytpype]

7. ad, not add

But you are right.

Obama shot back at her and hit the bullseye by raising her lousy judgment about Iraq. And that's a preview of how he is going to run against McCain, who is stupidly running on the war(!!!)

Then when a reporter asked Mark Penn when Hillary ever had to deal with a foreign policy crisis, he had no answer! Oops!

I guess we have to trust the great judgment she showed as First Lady, shaking hands with foreign leaders? Or what? I really don't get it.

[Johnny__Motown]

10. Thanks, edited.... my typing sucks. If spell check does not catch it then it doesn't get caught

[grytpype]

17. Heh... I'm dating myself, but before computers they used to teach spelling in school...

heh heh

[Johnny__Motown]

27. Yep., but we wrote stuff, with pencils and pens. My one typing course was in 1979

[JimGinPA]

11. That Ad Was Another Poor Decision By Her Flawed Handlers

She needs to get out.

K&R

[Egalia]

21. Then how come Obama copied her ad???? n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

22. To turn it around on her. and it worked

[Forkboy]

26. His was satire of hers.

:shrug:

Though in this forum satire would be redundant. :)

[Yael]

32. LOL!

Thats called "refuting".

:hi:

[high density]

39. Satire. It was hilarious

His campaign has the driest humor ever... I love it.

[Johnny__Motown]

42. LOL, almost as dry as yours

[SoCalDem]

43. Mocking a bad ad, and showing a better way to do it? n/t

[Vinca]

28. One of the Republican talking heads said he thought it was an RNC ad.

Ouch!

[high density]

38. It was an ad for John McCain as far as I can tell

If you want people to vote on national security "experience," John McCain wins handily.

[Johnny__Motown]

41. I agree, which is why Judgment is the better case for us to make in the GE

[Major Hogwash]

51. It was a bad ad. And it was first used at least 30 years ago. It was desperation time at Hill's camp

I'm really surprised that she tried to use fear to scare Democrats after 7 years of Bush using fear to scare us.

What's next?

An orange alert?

An Osama tape to be released?

It's gone from the absurd to the surreal to the Twilight Zone.

She has lost any credibility she ever had.

[jmg257]

52. With all the money she spent, you think 1 of her advisors would tell her "when you're in a hole,

stop digging!"

[From The Left]

53. Hillary Can Still Cry, Beg, Plead and Cry Some More

[BringBigDogBack]

56. kind of like the Super Tuesday strategy... n/t