Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Clinton will change our future for the better ...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:22 PM
Original message
Clinton will change our future for the better ...
While it is tempting to think we can achieve change but avoid conflict if only we believe enough, we know, deep down, that real change requires more than hope. It always has. César Chávez devoted his life to that fight. That is why the union he and Dolores Huerta pioneered endorsed Clinton. Bobby Kennedy gave his life in that fight and his children have endorsed her, too. They showed us that fighting together for meaningful change is noble, not passe.

Like them, Hillary Clinton has fought for positive change all her life. Millions of children have health care because of her tireless work in the face of special interest opposition. Thousands of soldiers and veterans have the services and dignity they deserve because she fought for them when they could no longer fight for themselves.

To achieve real change as president, she has done her homework and earned the deep respect of military leaders here, world leaders in 80 countries and of Republicans and Democrats alike. Unlike Obama, she can use this critical political capital, established trust, staggering depth and breadth of knowledge and hard-won wisdom to deliver on the promises she has made while keeping America and the world safe.

Hillary Clinton, as America's first woman president, will boldly fight for you and with you to deliver meaningful change that will make your future, that of your children and grandchildren, and of this country and the world not just different, but better.

It is what good mothers and great leaders do. That is why Texans should cast their vote for Hillary Clinton on Tuesday.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5584383.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
1. No Apology Needed - - as found in the comments section of the above


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/article/view/?id=1336

No Apology Needed
New York Times
David Brooks
Far be it from me to get in the middle of a liberal purge, but would anybody mind if I pointed out that the calls for Hillary Clinton to apologize for her support of the Iraq war are almost entirely bogus?

I mean, have the people calling for her apology actually read the speeches she delivered before the war? Have they read her remarks during the war resolution debate, when she specifically rejected a pre-emptive, unilateral attack on Saddam? Did they read the passages in which she called for a longer U.N. inspections regime and declared, "I believe international support and legitimacy are crucial"?

If they went back and read what Senator Clinton was saying before the war, they'd be surprised, as I was, by her approach. And they'd learn something, as I did, about what kind of president she would make.

The Iraq war debate began in earnest in September 2002. At that point Clinton was saying in public what Colin Powell was saying in private: emphasizing the need to work through the U.N. and build a broad coalition to enforce inspections.

She delivered her Senate resolution speech on Oct. 10. It was Clintonian in character. On the one hand, she rejected the Bush policy of pre-emptive war. On the other hand, she also rejected the view that the international community "should only resort to force if and when the United Nations Security Council approves it." Drawing on the lessons of Bosnia, she said sometimes the world had to act, even if the big powers couldn't agree.
She sought a third way: more U.N. resolutions, more inspections, more diplomacy, with the threat of force reserved as a last resort. She was triangulating, but the Senate resolution offered her a binary choice. She voted yes in order to give Powell bipartisan leverage at the U.N.

This is how she's always explained that vote, and I confess that until now, I've regarded her explanation as a transparent political dodge. Didn't everyone know this was a war resolution? But now, having investigated her public comments, I think diplomatic leverage really was on her mind. I also know, from a third person, that she was spending a lot of time with Powell and wanted to help.

On Nov. 8, 2002, the Security Council passed a unanimous resolution threatening Saddam with "serious consequences" if he didn't disarm.
The next crucial period came in March 2003, as the U.S. battled France over the second Security Council resolution. Clinton's argument at this point was that inspections were working and should be given more time. "It is preferable that we do this in a peaceful manner through coercive inspection," she said on March 3, but went on, "At some point we have to be willing to uphold the United Nations resolutions." Then she added, "This is a very delicate balancing act."
On March 17, Bush gave Saddam 48 hours to disarm or face attack. Clinton tried to be critical of the Bush policy while being deferential to the office of the presidency. She clearly had doubts about Bush's timing, but she kept emphasizing that from her time in the White House, she knew how unhelpful it was for senators to be popping off in public on foreign policy.

At one press event in New York, she nodded when Charles Rangel said Bush had failed at the U.N. But when reporters asked Clinton to repeat what Rangel had just said, she bit her tongue. On March 17, as U.S. troops mobilized, she issued her strongest statement in support of the effort.

Clinton's biggest breach with the liberal wing actually opened up later, in the fall of 2003. Most liberals went into full opposition, wanting to see Bush disgraced. Clinton -- while an early critic of the troop levels, the postwar plans and all the rest -- tried to stay constructive. She wanted to see America and Iraq succeed, even if Bush was not disgraced.

When you look back at Clinton's thinking, you don't see a classic war supporter. You see a person who was trying to seek balance between opposing arguments. You also see a person who deferred to the office of the presidency. You see a person who, as president, would be fox to Bush's hedgehog: who would see problems in their complexities rather than in their essentials; who would elevate procedural concerns over philosophical ones; who would postpone decision points for as long as possible; and who would make distinctions few heed.

Today, the liberal wing of the Democratic Party believes that the world, and Hillary Clinton in particular, owes it an apology. If she apologizes, she'll forfeit her integrity. She will be apologizing for being herself.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. So why didn't she vote for the Levin amendment?
I have never heard her answer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Hitting refresh every 30 seconds so you can jump all over any post positive for Hillary?
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:07 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. I read practically every thread period. So sue me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #14
30. You couldn't possibly have found the post, read the first,read the second and responded in 2 mins
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 03:39 PM by Maribelle
Who do you think you are kidding?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #9
18. that poster will not start his own thread---is just purposely rude.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. A rethug article supporting Clinton/attacking Obama! A first!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #4
5. I guess you read it word for word, so give us the exact line that attacks Obama.
y'all a little pissed that I beat you (collectively) at your own (collectively) game? :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:12 PM
Response to Reply #4
17. Read the comments and WEEP---they support her!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #1
6. Thanks For That Overview David, But I'd Prefer HerTo Apologize...
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:15 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. too bad
you will have a long wait---find some pillows.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. I Believe I Only Need To Wait Until Wednesday - Then It's Back To The Senate For Her
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:22 PM
Response to Reply #22
25. The dollar store has a sale on for Crystal Balls--yours has a big crack in it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #25
29. We'll See. The Good News Is When She Drops Out Your Spamming Stops
:applause:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. ha ha---playing that card again---You just live in a bubble and do not like opposing views.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
37. And you embrace differing views?
:rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #6
48. oh bugger off
If Obama wins - great
If Clinton wins - great
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. It seems the hate brigade is out in full force, so quickly! lol
Not too transparent are they?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. It's amazing that they have almost noting positive to promote about their candidate
. . . except for his position in the horse race and how much money he has to spend.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #8
23. I know--very little of any substance about him by his supporters. And when we do
stuff about clinton--as you do-from the trail---well, the stinky flies swarm in.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #1
34. I think this is one of best essays I have seen on whey Hillary needs not grabble.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:23 PM
Response to Original message
2. As soon as she drops out. n.t.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ExtraGriz Donating Member (405 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:45 PM
Response to Original message
10. i hope it goes til june
why not let everyone have a chance to vote this year, its democracy in action.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
11. Bush Clinton Bush Clinton isn't change n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:02 PM
Response to Original message
12. What a lovely endorsement coming out Houston TEXAS—so nice to see.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 03:07 PM by rodeodance
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:04 PM
Response to Original message
13. Ho HO----NO obama supporters in the Comment section yet either. te he
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
15. thank you Maribelle
Texas for Hillary...my cuz lives in Austin....HUge Hillary support and LOVE!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
28. Great!.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #15
31. No - thank you!
I love that image!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
40. thxs..she's beautiful.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 04:16 PM by indimuse
:hi:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:11 PM
Response to Original message
16. ** comments talk of 2 issues important to TX--HRC supports:



And it can't hurt to remind everyone that on two very important issues to Texans and Americans, Hillary has the right positions.

On energy, while she agrees with Obama on creating a green economy, with many jobs focused on developing cleaner energy and promoting conservation, she also recognizes the immediate dependence on oil, and is willing to develop more sources in the Gulf of Mexico, using the best environmentally sensitive methods available. This would help to reduce (we can never eliminate) our dependence on 11 million barrels of foreign oil a day.

She also is supportive of continuing the manned space program. Obama would put a five-year moratorium on it. This would of course hurt JSC, but worse, I am sure we would be standing by while other countries continue. His desire to channel that money into education is admirable, but an entire generation of scientists and engineers were inspired by the lunar landings. The benefits of the manned space program include not only immediate benefits of innovation and technology, but the intangible benefits of inspiration, making us want to achieve, and making us feel good about being human. We would NEVER have a space program if we stood around waiting to have a few billion extra dollars to spend. It will ALWAYS have to be something we CHOOSE to invest in. We are not a poor country. This is a matter of our priorities. JFK, whom Obama is frequently compared to, would certainly not agree with him on this issue.
3/2/2008 11:35 AM CST
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:24 PM
Response to Reply #16
26. She also is supportive of continuing the manned space program. Obama would put a five-year moratoriu
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #26
36. I didn't know that..
... now I'm even more for Obama. NASA needs to be reset.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:16 PM
Response to Original message
20. REC
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:17 PM
Response to Original message
21. K/R
We want Hillary!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
24. Yeah, "change" like taking money from corporate PAC and
lobbyists. Just the kind of "change" we need.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:25 PM
Response to Reply #24
27. Obama takes corp money and has corporate lobbyist working as Top Advisers on his campaign......
that makes him both a HYPOCRITE AND A LIAR
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:56 PM
Response to Reply #24
33. Good article---Obama and the DLC
Obama claims he isn't the "establishment candidate" but has had the backing from and pushing from the DLC and Center For American Progress since 2006.

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:53 PM
Response to Reply #33
41. I was surprised by the Center For American Progress
I still don't get that one.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:59 PM
Response to Original message
35. All she's done so far is enabled Bush
I don't know why anybody thinks she'd be so drastically different when she votes for Kyl-Lieberman and thinks the solution to health care is to mandate people to buy insurance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:08 PM
Response to Original message
38. She sure changed the future of those men, women and children in Iraq
not to mention our soldiers and our economy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:09 PM
Response to Original message
39. We're heading off a cliff either way, it's just a matter of what speed we do it at.
Both Obama and Hillary will slow that headlong charge, but not by a lot. This world needs something that no candidate can offer and win with here in America, and as such, not much will change other than the decorations.

They'll both be a Hell of a lot better than that fuckstick McCain though. Not only will he NOT stop us from going over a cliff, he wants to put the pedal to the metal.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:56 PM
Response to Original message
42. Thousands of soldiers are dead and buried BECAUSE of Hillary and others
SCHIP was done by Ted Kennedy and Orin Hatch and Hillary Clinton has stolen that effort for her own.

Name me ONE BILL that Hillary authored that was passed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:59 PM
Response to Original message
43. She's gonna make ALL of our dreams come true
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:14 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. How the hell I kept my dinner down after watching your link
amazes me.
That thing is beyond ridiculous.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. Jesus! That video makes Hillary4UandMe look like Hendrix at Woodstock
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:37 PM
Response to Original message
45. Kickypoo (nt)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:39 PM
Response to Original message
47. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-04-08 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
49. if you think that the dlc candidate is going to improve things for the working person...
you are in for a very rude awakening, should she become the potus.
remember this post if/when your jaw drops at the policy decisions she makes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 09:46 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC