What in the world happened to Clinton in texas and Ohio?

[blocker]

She was up by more then 20 points 2 weeks ago? Is this the reason of a terribly ran campaign? The way i see it. she is and has always been overrated! Sadly if she wasn't married to Bill Clinton, she would never get all the press she's getting.

[LadyVT]

1. She is up in Ohio and RI right now. She is neck-and-neck in TX.

pollster.com

[blocker]

2. exactly my point!

wich should give her campaign a reason to be very worried!!!

[PseudoIntellect]

4. ..as opposed to an easy 60/40 win in Ohio 3 weeks ago

and the same in Texas. That was her goal.

[babylonsister]

6. Not by much; RCP says they're neck and neck-not good for Clinton, and

there's two days to go:

http://blog.cleveland.com/plaindealer/2008/03/clinton_leads_obama_in_ohio_ba.html

Neck and neck
Posted by Mark Naymik March 02, 2008 06:02AM


Democratic voters in Ohio and Texas are nearly split over their choice for president, according to new state polls.

In Ohio, a Plain Dealer survey shows Hillary Clinton holding a 4 percentage-point lead over Barack Obama, 47 percent to 43 percent.

In Texas, Obama edges Clinton, 46 percent to 45 percent, according to a joint Fort Worth Star-Telegram and NBC News poll.

Trailing in national polls and the all-important delegate count, Clinton is looking to Ohio and Texas to stop Obama, whose 11 straight presidential contest victories have propelled him to front-runner status.

[Zachstar]

10. There is no up or neck-and neck room left!

If she wants ANY chance in having the supers not flock and end this is if she has a net gain of 100 delegates which is next to impossible.

Anything less and it is over for her. The supers will not let this drag on any longer. They will flock and she will lose remaining support.

It is just about over! Clinton supports just need to be ready to ACCEPT her exit speech!

[yellowcanine]

14. "Neck and Neck" or only up by 5 is a loser for Hillary no matter how you cut it.

Obama supporters are more motivated - she will lose a neck and neck race. And she needs to win big in both Ohio and Texas or it is Fat Lady time.

[Bok_Tukalo]

3. It is unfair to compare her lead from weeks or months ago to now

People are now starting to pay attention. There is campaigning going on the these states. It is a race and no longer "Whose name do you recognize the most?"

[blocker]

5. Yeah go tell that to the latinos

it's obvious they are voting for her because of her name! It is well reported and no one can argue with that.

[skipos]

7. Obama needs 15 straight wins or else it is proof Hillary should be our candidate.

I'm sorry, that is the way it is. I don't make the rules, Hillary does.

[FrenchieCat]

13. Having to be twice as good in order to get 1/2 of the recognition

is The NEW RULE!

And yet the oddest thing is that Barack is actually delivering on this.

He is simply excellent in his game.

Hillary isn't.

Those are just documented facts.

[ORDem]

17. LOL! n/t

:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

8. Name recognition helped her lead before the heavy campaigning

just before an election.. and people get more energized as they start to see the candidates up close..

people change their minds...on many things.. politicians, included :)

Hillary's been "running" for 7 1/2 years..everybody "knew" that.. the press hailed her as inevitable..for at least the last 3 years, so people just accepted the fact, and said they would vote for her, but once the primaries actually started and they saw other candidates, they switched..

It's just that simple...

It's like going car shopping.. you may think you want one particular car, but you go to the lot and fall in love with a different one.:)

[blocker]

9. Socaldem, she never saw that coming?

Remember when she told kathie kouric that she would win

[SoCalDem]

12. I think her staff let her down ..in a big way...

For all the money they are paid, they did not have a very sound strategy..

I really think she thought she would close the deal on Super Tuesday, and her opponents would all quit..

She was wrong..

[ORDem]

18. But remember, she's Day One Ready! LOL.

[priller]

11. Same thing that's happened in most earlier states

The general guideline at work here is "undecideds break for the newcomer." Hillary is largely a known quantity, Obama is not. The idea behind that guideline is that if people are still "undecided" about someone as well-known as Hillary, they're not likely to support her. Ever. So what they're really undecided about is if they will end up supporting the new guy. And as they pay attention and start to get to know Obama, most decide to do so. That's why almost all these polls in the recent states show a big swing towards Obama at the end.

I predict Obama will take Texas easily and it will be close in Ohio.

Hillary needs to win both, but she won't. She will be under lots of pressure to concede after Tuesday, but I don't think she will. I think she'll start talking up the Michigan and Florida delegates at that point.

[John Q. Citizen]

15. Even if she can steal those MI and FL delegates it won't put her in the lead

just closer than she is now.

She's done whether she admits it or not.

[ORDem]

16. Basically, she showed up. n/t

[saltpoint]

19. She may yet win them but you are quite right about the lost leads.

The campaign didn't appear to have a plan in place post-Feb. 5th.

And the Obama campaign did.

[rainbow4321]

20. Let us count the reasons:

1) She was weeks behind Obama in reaching out to Texans

2) She and her people (TX campaign manager even said so in the Dallas Morning News) made comments that Obama didn't stand a chance in TX b/c he had never been "south of San Antonio" and S Texas would win the state for HRC. North/East/West Texans probably don't like having their votes dissed. You don't need our vote, no prob, we'll give them to Obama.

3. She/her people waited til 3 weeks before coming to TX to realize the majority of TX's delegates are in NORTH Texas and surrounding areas (kinda blows #2 out of the water). WaPo had an article saying that they became a tad alarmed when learning (last minute learning) about the TX system (delegate location, primary/caucus set up).

4) She is blowing smoke up our asses and we don't like it: Claimed the other day in the TX media that she knew LAST SPRING that TX would play a huge role in this primary season (ahem, see #3---are you lying about THIS or are you stupid and just waited to read the TX rules til 3 weeks ago---either way, we don't want LIARS **or** STUPID people in the WH).


5) Has openly criticized the TX primary system (had NO problem with it when Bill ran with the SAME system..oh, yeah, I forgot, he WON our primary)...and there are rumbles/quotes from her people that they are going to challege/sue the TX Dem Party to prevent early reports of caucus numbers..they want to wait the FULL 3 days as allowed by TX Dem law (Guess she is shooting for only TWO concession speeches and not THREE on Tuesday night---and then dump the "she also lost Texas caucus delegates" news Friday at mdnight?)

6) This weekend we got to hear that her visits to 80 countries as First Lady is what makes her qualified to be in the WH and deal with foreign policy issues/crisis. Sorry, but 1 pro-war vote totally trumps your shopping trips in those 80 countries.

[mattclearing]

21. The more people see of her and Obama, the more they conclude he is the better candidate.

Imagine that.