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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:15 PM
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DUers hoping Rezko takes Obama out are f'ing PATHETIC
This is just silly. Are Clinton supporters so desperate that they are seriously rooting for scandal to take Obama out?

It ain't happening. There is nothing there. Here we are 2 days before a primary and rather than pushing Hillary some DUers are just praying for something unsavory. PATHETIC!

I want Obama to win but I have never hoped for scandal to take Hillary down. I don't hate her, I just like Obama better.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:17 PM
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1. I don't pay attention to that thing. What is it?
Did he buy a house from or with a bad guy at the high-bidder price? Is that what this is about?
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:17 PM
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2. these are the same ones who railed about all of the whitewater investigations
now they scream "rezko" everytime they turn around.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:20 PM
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7. The Rezko judge was part of Ken Starrs Whitewater team.
Of course we're screaming about it.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:17 PM
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3. You know whats fucking pathetic? The lunatics on both sides, not just on Hillary's side.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:18 PM
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4. Whomever wins will get my vote...
...but you knew that already.;):hi:
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:20 PM
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5. Which is looking more and more like it'll be Obama.
So be it.

Time to kick McCain's ass.

:)
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:34 PM
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23. My favorite post of the day!
:applause:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:20 PM
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6. you know, the focus on "Clinton supporters" is what is
pathetic.

If this scandal is going to "take Obama down"

don't you think that we, as Democrats, had better be

AWARE OF IT ?

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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:22 PM
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10. They really don't seem to think so
I've been posting all day about the fact that the judge was part of Ken Starr's Whitewater investigation team and it falls on deaf ears.

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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:42 PM
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32. but even Patrick Fitzgerald has indicated
Obama is not a target. You are hoping for something that ain't happening and I'm calling you PATHETIC!
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:54 PM
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54. I'm hoping that if Obama is the nominee
this issue doesn't blow up in his face.

I'm hoping that not as a Hillary supporter, but as a Democrat.

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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:43 PM
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33. Don't you think that if there was something there, it'd have been released already?
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:46 PM
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53. the trial starts on Monday
so I don't know.

Do you trust the media?

It seems to me that their favorite tactic seems to be setting someone up - just so they can knock them down.

We've seen it happen over and over.

The media has been extraordinarily easy on Obama. Is that about to change? Some hard questions are being asked - Obama needs to have answers.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 08:27 PM
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56. I think if there were more to this, Clinton would've leaked it already.
Especially now that it looks more and more likely her shot at the nomination is going out the window.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:20 PM
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8. Some don't hope it - they fear it and know that it will happen.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:25 PM
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14. And some live in a magical realm of fairies and gnomes.
That doesn't mean that their perceptions line up with reality any more than the Rezko screechers' have got a grip.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:28 PM
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18. Exactly. The fairy and gnome dwellers are Obamabots.... I can see reality.
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ecdab Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:40 PM
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49. What do you KNOW jlake, seriously
you post this crap all over this site. Let's hear what you KNOW in factual terms, because if you don't know something more than what has been splashed across the headlines of the Sun Times for the last year - you don't have a clue as to what WILL happen and based on what is factually known, there is absolutely no reason for anybody to believe (or fear, as you pretend) that Obama has any below board involvement with this (legal or illegal).

Please share this unknown wisdom that you have acquired with us - end these speculative statements that you make and reduce it down to fact. Lord knows nobody is going to take your word for anything at this point.

Let me start it for you - I, JLAKE, KNOW THAT "IT" WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE....
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:22 PM
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52. :applause:
jlake is the king of one liners and flamebaiting. I applaud your post as I have wanted to do it a couple times as well.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:21 PM
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9. I hope the Rezko thing does not hurt Obama
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Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:23 PM
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11. Yes, pathetic.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:23 PM
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12. Hillbot panic in the campaign death throes n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:23 PM
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13. yes they are
they are sorry excuses for democrats-most of us Obama people (MOST not all there are few idiots on both sides I'll admit) would have had no problem supporting Clinton if she were the nominee. I was an Edwards guy and had no trouble accepting the fact that he wasn't a viable candidate-so I switched to Obama-Clinton-ites a LOT of them are already saying they won't vote for Obama if he no WHEN he is the nominee-sad and pathetic
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:25 PM
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15. Jeez, Moar?
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:25 PM
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16. Yes, they are being pathetic
One week from Tuesday (if Obama becomes the presumptive nominee that night), they will be banished if they continued their smears, per Skinner's message.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:35 PM
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24. And then you deluded lemmings
can follow your dream of hope right off that proverbial cliff. Unfortunately, you'll be taking the rational minority with you. :(
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:57 PM
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55. Got any proof Obama did something wrong with Rezko?
No, I didn't think so. Thankfully your smearing and lying will have to cease in just over a week.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:26 PM
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17. i agree---really is pathetic
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:30 PM
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19. So we should only worry about republican scandals?
Got it, thanks for the talking point.

RL
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:30 PM
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20. I think rather it is you who fears this may occur
Yes, this is an obvious reaction to that fear.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:31 PM
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21. Fitzgerald doesn't agree with them either.
Or maybe they'll start suggesting he's "in on it". This turd shall not float.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:44 PM
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34. for the umpteenth time..where does Fitzgerald exonerate Obama..link please...
yes please prove what you are saying with a link where Fitz says Obama is totally exonerated..i have asked this after obama supporters make the statement similar to yours : quote: "Fitzgerald doesn't agree with them either."

where is that statement from Fitzgerald? where did you find it..and please substantiate it .

i won't hod my breath since none of you Obamaites have provided a link to what you say Fitzgerald has said.

fly
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:09 PM
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39. That's not what I said.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 05:19 PM by casus belli
I never said he exonerated him - there's nothing to exonerate, and I never quoted Fitzgerald. I said "Fitzgerald doesn't agree with them either." I think that's fair to say. If he did agree with those who are calling Obama complicit in Rezco's scandal, Obama would be under investigation, as it stands ONE person is the focus of the investigation - Antoin Rezko.

I'm not sure if you're familiar with law in this country, but there is a presumption of innocence until proven guilty. In this case, there don't ven exist any accusations from Fitzgerald or his team, and there are those ready to indict Obama.

Let the case run its course. If it turns out there's something, then so be it. But, this rush to judgement about Obama because he had a single business exchange with Rezco and then trying to draw conclusions about his guilt or innocence based on REZCO'S record is beyond a stretch.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:32 PM
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22. Hear, hear!!
I've had my fill of this crapola.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:37 PM
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25.  Rezko is equivalent to jaywalking as Jackson Stephens' MURDER in the First Degree
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 04:38 PM by blm
Yet Clinton supporters want to PRETEND that jaywalking is far worse.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:37 PM
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26. I'm no supporter of HRC,
but I have to admit that I wouldn't be displeased if Rezko took Obama out.

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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:37 PM
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27. It's really sad actually. Hillary supporters have made Obama an enemy like Republicans.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 04:38 PM by sparosnare
They are hoping beyond hope some ugly revelation occurs on Monday that will force Obama to drop out of the race. It's embarrassing watching Democrats behave this way.

I don't like Hillary either, but I wouldn't be salivating hoping a scandal would destroy her. We are all Democrats.
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watrwefitinfor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:06 PM
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51. "It's embarrassing watching Democrats behave this way."
I don't think many of them are. (Democrats.)

Wat
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:38 PM
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28. some are salivating..
hoping and praying that some little morsel of filth will rise up and save the day. I believe that the kitchen sink is empty, and most of the plumbing is gone as well.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:40 PM
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29. have you read the indictment? lots of unamed people in it..
http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/iln/indict/2006/us_v_levin_et_al_super.pdf


i would be damed worried...since Fitzgerald was the one who started the Gov Ryan case with 1 indictment and ended with 60 + indictments and prosecutions!

many of us have warned about this only to be called names by the Obama crew..you know the same crew that believes they should be able to buy fire insurance after the fire burns their house down..or go to the hospital with no national health care, bleeding to death and thinking they are entitled at that time to buy into national health care!

enough of the stupidity ..please...

fly
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:44 PM
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35. He's not on the witness list. Fitzgerald has said he wasn't involved
I think we'd know by now if he was more vulnerable than he evidently is. And why aren't you as worried about Hsu, Gupta and Giustra? It makes no sense for people to worry about one and not the other.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:54 PM
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37. seems "ignored" is following me around today..sorry i can't reply to what i have ignored. eom
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:41 PM
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30. Well fuck, if it's going to, better now than after he's the nominee, no? nt
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:41 PM
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31. Wish these "scandal" pushing folks had looked into the Hillary files
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 04:42 PM by FrenchieCat
for what will take her down, that has yet to be vetted and discussed at all.......unlike Rezko that has been turned upside down, time and time again!

The listing below doesn't include the following issue--
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2856579

Courtesy of The New Republic, here's a small sampling of what to expect should Clinton go up against McCain. Compare it to Obama's transactions with Rezko. Talk about rolling the dice - Bill Shaheen said that Obama could be a drug dealer for all we know. Well, here's a few things we DO know

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THE DONOR
Norman Hsu, Hong Kong "apparel executive."


THE GREEN
Hsu bundled more than $850,000 for Hillary's presidential campaign and $260,000 for Clinton's Senate races.


THE SCANDAL
Hsu parlayed his charming, obsequious personality into a spot as one of the top twenty Democratic fund-raisers nationwide. Problem is, he turned out to be a convicted felon, on the lam since 1992 due to a grand theft conviction. Then, this December, Hsu was indicted for running a pyramid scheme that defrauded investors out of at least $20 million and that made $25,000 a year in fraudulent political donations.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR (on a scale of 1 to 10, with 1 somewhat sleazy and 10 stupendously so)
8. Hsu missed his initial (September 5) court date for the 1992 grand theft charge, only to be apprehended a day later on a train in Colorado; he was "freaked out," shirtless, shoeless, and holding a suitcase packed with Tiffany jewelry and $7,000 in cash. Now in federal custody, he confessed to running "phony" companies and leaning on investors to make political donations.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS (on a scale of 1 to 10)
7. Extensive Hsu coverage stretched out over several news cycles during Hillary's presidential campaign, and the sordid details of the affair--the pyramid schemes, the links to Asian gangs, the eccentric professional con artist himself--stirred up memories of Clinton fund-raising scandals past. Hillary blamed the fiasco on errors in the donor-screening process.


**


THE DONOR
Marc Rich, fugitive American businessman; Denise Rich, songwriter and socialite.


THE GREEN
Denise Rich contributed $70,000 to Hillary's Senate campaign and $450,000 to the Clinton presidential library fund.


THE SCANDAL
Over seventeen years after Marc Rich fled to Switzerland to avoid charges of racketeering, illegal trading, and tax evasion (he owed $48 million), Bill Clinton pardoned Rich during his last moments in the White House. His ex-wife Denise's generous donations and Friend of Bill status gave the pardon a particularly rotten stench.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Rich has been accused of a long list of white-collar crimes. The classiest: trading with Iran while the country was still holding U.S. hostages.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
9.5. As Hillary began her career in the Senate, a media frenzy and investigations in both houses of Congress and the Justice Department were launched to see if Denise's contributions bought her ex-husband's pardon. Though the president was never indicted for wrongdoing, the Rich affair is often mentioned as Exhibit A of Clintonian sliminess.


**


THE DONOR
Aaron Tonken, former Hollywood fund-raiser, current federal penitentiary inmate in California.


THE GREEN
In 2000 he hosted a fund-raiser that took in more than $1 million for Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign.


THE SCANDAL
Tonken originally drew interest from the FBI for failing to report some donations from the event to the FEC. Although he was never charged for election-law violations, in 2003 he pleaded guilty to stealing from charities, including, according to an ABC News report, the Betty Ford clinic. He is currently serving a five-year sentence for mail and wire fraud.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
9. The self-described con man got his start in Hollywood as Zsa Zsa Gabor's dog keeper. He sold stories about her to tabloids and snuck tourists into her dilapidated, dog feces-ridden mansion while she was out of town. In his memoir, King of Cons, Tonken wrote, "In a land of moral imbeciles, I knew I could be king."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
4. A fund-raising committee for Hillary Clinton's 2000 campaign had to pay $35,000 in fines to the FEC for underreporting the costs of the gala, even though a federal inquiry failed to find any culpability on the Clintons' part. The financial burden to the Clinton campaign was insignificant--the real harm done was in the image of guilt by association.


**


THE DONOR
Sant S. Chatwal, founder of Bombay Palace restaurants.


THE GREEN
In 2000, Chatwal hosted a half-million dollar fund-raiser for Clinton in New York. In 2007, he declared his intentions to raise $5 million for Hillary's presidential campaign.


THE SCANDAL
According to The Washington Post, as of September 2007, The IRS was pursuing him for $4 million in back taxes, the State of New York for another $5 million, and the FDIC is suing himin connection with a failed bank venture. The Post wrote, "Yet none of the legal and financial woes--occasionally touched on in American or Indian newspapers or highlighted by political opponents--raised red flags inside Hillary Clinton's fund-raising operation."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
4. Though Chatwal's legal troubles span several suits and two continents (he's also been charged with bank fraud in India), his alleged crimes lack the color and imagination of, say, a Peter F. Paul.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
1. So far, none. But if any of the lawsuits against him come to a head during election season, the timing would be awful for Clinton.


**


THE DONOR
International Profit Associates (IPA), an Illinois-based management consulting and business development company.


THE GREEN
Bill Clinton pocketed $125,000 for addressing IPA workers in December 2001. The Chicago Sun-Times reported that firm employees have forked over nearly $130,000 in contributions to Hillary's Senate campaigns since 2000.


THE SCANDAL
IPA has faced a string of scandals--most notably, a widely reported sexual harassment suit involving 113 former female employees. Two of them told their stories on a 2005 episode of "Oprah Winfrey Show."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
8.5. The harassment suit included accusations that the CEO offered money to a female employee in exchange for sex and that a sales manager would pin female employees up against the wall and ask if they enjoyed intercourse.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3. Though never a large-scale national scandal, it doesn't look good that Hillary has, in effect, shrugged off what the lead attorney for the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (the federal agency leading the investigation) called one of the "most egregious case of sex harassment that the Chicago district office has seen." Senator Clinton--unlike other politicians who received campaign donations from IPA employees, such as Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich and Wisconsin Governor Jim Doyle--has opted not to return the contributions.


**


THE REELECTION FUND-RAISING FIASCO

The tangled web of scandals associated with the Clinton-Gore reelection campaign in 1996 led to hearings by a Senate committee led by Fred Thompson. Though Thompson's hearings are widely considered to have been a bust, several unsavory characters came to light.



THE DONOR
Yah Lin "Charlie" Trie, Taiwanese-Arkansan restaurateur-turned-fund-raiser.


THE GREEN
Trie funnelled more than $2.2 million, much of it from foreign corporate donors, to the DNC from 1994-1996 and helped pay $460,000 of the Clintons' legal bills between 1994-1997.


THE SCANDAL
Trie, who knew Clinton from his days as the owner of the Fu Lin restaurant in Little Rock, moved to Washington in 1994 and began donating to the Clintons and the DNC through various shady channels, including through "straw donors," typically poor legal immigrants who stand in for foreign businesspeople.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Trie was notorious for peddling access to President Clinton. Most distressingly, he set up a White House coffee klatch with a Chinese arms dealer.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Trie earned the dubious distinction of being the first Clinton donor indicted during the Justice Department's 1997 campaign finance investigation.


**


THE DONOR
John Huang, businessman and Commerce Department official under the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1995.


THE GREEN
He raised $3.4 million for the DNC in 1996. Most of it has since been returned.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996 Huang solicited an illegal donation of $250,000 from a company in South Korea, as well as $425,000 from donors whose U.S. citizenship was an issue of contention. He also co-organized a 1996 fund-raising event at the Hsi Lai Temple in Southern California, where monks and nuns under an oath of poverty mysteriously contributed large sums of money to the DNC. It was later revealed that they were reimbursed for their donations by the church, and the money had to be returned.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7.5. Thompson's committee suggested darkly that Huang may have been acting as an "agent of influence" for China, though the committee ultimately had scant evidence supporting the plot.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
8. Considerable. Though the money he raised was primarily for the DNC, Huang had remarkable access to the president and the West Wing. The Commerce Department even gave him a top-secret security clearance--with a cursory background check far less thorough than normal procedure--when he was still a private citizen.


**


THE DONOR
James Riady, Indonesian banking magnate.


THE GREEN
Riady and his business associates gave more than $700,000 to the Democratic Party between 1991 and 1997. They also paid $100,000 to Clinton friend Webster L. Hubbell, who resigned from his job as associate attorney general after being charged with tax evasion and mail fraud.


THE SCANDAL
Riady, a regular visitor to the Clinton White House, was busted by the Justice Department in 2001 for funneling foreign corporate money into Clinton's 1992 election effort. (He had to pay out $8.6 million to the DOJ--the largest campaign finance settlement in history.) In 1997, the Thompson-led committee accused Riady of maintaining "a long-term relationship with a Chinese intelligence agency."


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Riady was a big fund-raiser for Bill from his Arkansas days, and repeatedly pressed Clinton on sensitive foreign policy issues. Riady was also closely linked to a number of other scandals, including the improper appointment of John Huang (a former manager at Riady's company) and the Hsi Lai Temple fund-raiser (which was organized by Huang).


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
6. In 1997, pre-cigar, William Safire called the Riady affair "the low point of the Clinton Presidency." Still, his name is all but forgotten today.


**


THE DONOR
Johnny Chung, a Taiwan-born, California-based businessman.


THE GREEN
He gave $366,000 in personal and corporate donations between 1994 and 1996. All the money was returned by the DNC.


THE SCANDAL
Chung's contributions to the Democratic Party earned him significant access to the Clinton administration: He made at least 49 visits to the White House between 1994 and 1996. He arranged for five of his Chinese business clients to attend a taping of one of President Clinton's weekly radio addresses after making a $50,000 donation to the DNC. Furthermore, Chung claimed that part of his donated funds came from sources connected to the Chinese government. (The Chinese government emphatically denies the allegations.)


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Ick! One radioactively slimy Chung quote: "The White House is like a subway: You have to put in coins to open gates."


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
7. Chung was one of the most recognizable--and damning-- figures in the campaign finance controversy; 49 White House visits will have that effect.



**


THE DONOR
Roger Tamraz, a Lebanese-American businessman.


THE GREEN
Tamraz and his company donated $300,000 to the Democratic Party in 1995 and 1996.


THE SCANDAL
In 1996, Tamraz apparently sought to leverage his donations into a face-to-face meeting with President Clinton over the objections of a National Security Council staff member. Members of the Democratic National Committee, the CIA, and the Clinton administration were all alleged to have gone to bat on Tamraz's behalf to allow him access to the White House. Tamraz then used the meeting to propose a $2.5-billion oil pipeline through Central Asia, a proposal that was then passed on to officials in the Energy Department. (Nothing ever came of it.) He was later a key witness at the Thompson committee hearings.


THE SLEAZE FACTOR
7. Know when your reputation could use a boost? When The New York Times writes sentences about you like this: "Indeed, in describing Mr. Tamraz in testimony on Wednesday and again today, the adjective used most often by lawmakers was 'shady.'" (It didn't help that when Joe Lieberman asked Tamraz at the Senate hearing if he thought he got his "money's worth" for his $300,000 donation, Tamraz replied "I think next time I'll give $600,000.") Also, at the time of his meeting with Clinton, Tamraz was wanted by Interpol for allegedly embezzling hundreds of millions of dollars from a Beirut bank. In a separate case before that, the Times reported, a French court had ordered him to pay $56 million for his role in the collapse of a French bank.


THE DAMAGE TO THE CLINTONS
3.5. Not so bad in the context of the larger scandals. But Tamraz's name continues to surface from time to time, most recently on the best-seller list and the movie marquee. The saga of a man (modeled after Tamraz) using cash to gain access and influence in the White House appeared in former CIA agent Robert Baer's book See No Evil, which served as the inspiration for Syriana.




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HONORABLE MENTIONS

So many donors, so little time. Here, other donors who have sullied the Clintons' reputation over the years.

Jeffrey Epstein: In 2002, the wealthy money-manager and Friend of Bill flew the former president in his private jet to Africa to discuss AIDS policy. He was recently indicted on charges of soliciting prostitution from underage girls. The Smoking Gun has the gruesome details. (Warning: Link is disgusting.)

John K.H. Lee: The South Korean businessman scored a meeting with President Clinton in 1996 after making a $250,000 donation to the DNC. Under U.S. federal election law, foreign companies and individuals are not permitted to make donations, but Lee tried to skirt the restriction by donating via a U.S. subsidiary of his company, which, problematically, didn't really exist. When it was discovered in September 1996 that the money had originated from Lee's South Korea-based parent company, the DNC returned the contribution.

Pauline Kanchanalak: Kanchanalak, a business executive and Democratic fund-raiser who met frequently with President Clinton, was sentenced to six months of house arrest in 1996 for funneling $690,000 of foreign contributions to the DNC. She claimed the money came from her in-laws.

Ng Lap Seng: The businessman and owner of Macau's Fortuna Hotel (per The Washington Post, "known as much for its prostitutes working the lobby as for its floor show of whip-wielding, leather-clad dancers upstairs") wired more than one million dollars to convicted Clinton donor Charlie Trie between 1994 and 1996 through a company the two co-owned--nearly a quarter of that money ended up in the DNC's hands. Ng attended DNC events and met with the Clintons at the White House.

Abdul Rehman Jinnah: According to the Los Angeles Times, this Pakistani immigrant raised more than $45,000 for Hillary Clinton's HillPac, allegedly reimbursing employees who contributed to Democratic causes, including Clinton's political action committee, which is illegal. He fled to Pakistan after a grand jury indicted him for violations of election law in 2006, and was placed on the FBI "featured fugitives" list. He returned to the U.S. last year.

Ron Burkle: He's never been accused of any crimes, but Ron Burkle lies at the center of any innuendo about Bill Clinton's post-presidential life. A much-commented-upon May 2006 New York Times article stated, "Mr. Clinton is rarely without company in public, yet the company he keeps rarely includes his wife. Nights out find him zipping around Los Angeles with his bachelor buddy, Ronald W. Burkle." The zippy Burkle, friends with Bill since 1992, often flies the former president in his private Boeing 575, described by Clinton as "Ron Air" and "Air Force Two." Burkle, also reportedly a "longtime friend" of Michael Jackson, has thrown lavish fund-raisers for Hillary at Green Acres, his Hollywood estate. Rumors abound about the supermarket billionaire's private life. "Page Six" covered Bill's bachelor buddy unfavorably, writing that he used the jet to entertain young models--and that he was dating Gisele Bundchen. Burkle then made headlines by secretly recording an alleged extortion attempt by a reporter for the gossip column. He has also been accused of using his influence as a Democratic donor to speed a law through the California legislature that would have kept the records of his messy divorce proceedings sealed.

Bill Clinton has been a senior advisor to Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. since early 2002. Clinton is only now trying to untangle himself from the company, a move that will simultaneously free him from questions about Yucaipa's ties to Dubai, while also netting a reported $20 million payday. One particularly shady deal Clinton's scheduler helped Yucaipa arrange was its investment in Catholic Church properties at the urging of a young Italian businessman named Raffaello Follieri. As The Wall Street Journal reported last fall, in 2005, Follieri intimated to Clinton aide Douglas Band that Yucaipa could make a killing on the deal--and that his ties to the Vatican would smooth the transaction. Yucaipa plowed as much as $100 million into the venture, and Band was paid a $400,000 "finder's fee" by Follieri. The Italian then spent Yucaipa's cash on an apartment in New York, private jets, and gifts for himself and his girlfriend, The Devil Wears Prada star Anne Hathaway. Burkle is currently suing Follieri for misappropriating at least $1.3 million.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=076fd56f-4aca-4683-a9d1-3c55d748946e&k=60222







The Tax returns, the Library and Foundation donors and the GOP machine will be having a great time.

COST TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?

PRICELESS!

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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:53 PM
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36. many have and are..it doesn't negate the problems your guy faces..
you are too smart to push that bullshit line!

fly
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 04:57 PM
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38. Not any smarter than the 100 posts on one issue of Rezko........
in where there is not there, there.

Funny how my long list is bullshit, while the non Rezko issue that the Clinton supporters keep salivating about seems key to them.

My post really does contain a bunch of shit that has not yet been mined to any degree but that will be. For you to turn a blind eye at this list makes you better how? :shrug:
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:14 PM
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40. I agree! NT
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:15 PM
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41. thank you - the obamahate is palpable
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:17 PM
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42. Exactly!!! I just don't understand that thinking. I didn't wish it for Kerry
either when Dean first went down in 2004. We only hurt ourselves when we think like that.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:17 PM
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43. ..

rocknation
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:18 PM
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44. As an Illinois resident,it can only take out Public Official A, Governor "Blago", he is the only
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 05:18 PM by izzybeans
politician tied to anything illegal in this mess, and even that is a stretch.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:23 PM
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45. Pathetic, Unseemly, Desperate...
pitiful, sorry, sad, wretched, deplorable, despairing, hopeless...

:shrug:
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:32 PM
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46. have you noticed the ugly back and forth going on?
There's been plenty of Clinton scandal talk and hopes that it takes Clinton out. Yeah there's some terrible Clinton supporters, but please, let's not act like Obama people haven't gone over the line plenty of times as well.

I used to love to drop in to DU every so often when I had the time and read posts, but this place is going pure slander and destroy. We've asking for weeks now for members of both sides to calm down, but they won't.

Both sides have hoped for scandal to bring the other down. Both sides have been PATHETIC!, so let's not act shocked about what the Clinton people are doing, because you have noticed plenty of Obama people crossing the line. If the Democratic Party is going to be a wave of unity, you'd never know by coming here.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:35 PM
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47. Then why even bother posting about it?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:36 PM
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48. If there is something there, it would be better if it came out now,
as opposed to GE, don't you think?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:41 PM
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50. It is pathetic. But their candidate supported Bush's war. What else do they have?
It is pathetic as you say.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:57 PM
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57. what's pathetic is repeating the lie that Hillary "supported"
Bush's war.

Or are you referring to the funding? The funding that Obama also voted "yes" on?

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:01 PM
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58. She also AUTHORIZED Bush's war.
.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:40 AM
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59. repeating the bullshit over and over that Democrats
are somehow responsible for Bush's war because they voted yes on the IWR doesn't make it true.


I have completely lost respect for the Obama campaign and, quite frankly, many of his supporters for pushing this deceit.

Obama talks a good game, but I have seen NOTHING from him that would lead me to believe his vote would have been any different had he been in the US Senate. He has no record to run on - he has no real differentiating issues - so I guess his only alternative is to make things up.

And that goes tenfold for his supporters.
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