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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:37 PM
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As An SNL Fan, I'll Explain To You Why SNL Appears To Support Hillary
Even thought they DON'T support her.

I watch SNL all the time. I love the show. I'm a die-hard. I love this cast, each and every one of them. Even Keenan. ;)


The simple reason they appear pro-Hillary is because they simply DO NOT HAVE ANYONE WHO CAN PLAY OBAMA FOR FOUR OR EIGHT YEARS.


It's that simple.

Look, I love Fred Armisen, but he can't do Obama. He hardly looks like him. He doesn't sound like him. And it's fairly obvious there's not much there to parody. All Fred's done is say one word lines and "thank you" while robotically waiving his arm in the air like.

That's not Obama. That's not even close to being Obama.

Obama is a guy who is smooth, eloquent, generates excitement. And what do they parody him with? A dull, boring, lifeless non-talking robot who hardly does anything but sit there.

It's obvious they have nothing to do with his character other than sit there and be the window dressing while they build their entire sketches around Hillary.

Because they actually have someone who can play Hillary. Amy Poehler is a great cast member. She's very versitile and her Hillary, while not nearly as good as Darrell Hammond's Bill Clinton or Al Gore, is light years ahead of where Armisen's Obama is now.

You can't build a sketch around a cast member who can't play their part. So since they have to parody the election, and Obama MUST be represented, at least on screen, they toss his character out there with nothing to do while Poehler does all the heavy lifting.

She's carried the last two episodes. Carried them.

It's just stating the obvious that right now you have a better cast member - Poehler - playing a better character - Hillary (and face it, Hillary is much easier to parody than Obama) - and the result is a Hillary-centric first two episodes.

On top of that, it's obvious if you've been reading between the lines that the material is not exactly flattering to Hillary at all.

The first episode portrayed her as whining - which actually lead her to BE whining in the next debate.
The second episode portrayed her as an annoying nag who would pester people until she got her way.

Those aren't exactly glowing endorsements.

What has Obama been portrayed as? A guy who the media love in the first sketch. And a guy who the media love in the second sketch.

That's it. That's all they got.

They weren't portraying Obama as dumb because they were giving him the answers. They were portraying the media as tough on Hillary by asking her the first question, then giving the answer, then being easy on Obama and letting him follow it up as he already knew the answer.

That's not being harsh on Obama at all. If anything, that's being harsh on the media.

But so far, from what I've seen, SNL has gone after the media in the first two episodes a lot. Gone after Hillary a little, and stayed away from Obama almost entirely. Partly because they struggle to find anything to hit him with, and partly because his character is so poorly conceived by the SNL writers and the cast member assuming the role.

(Now, as for the Robert Smeigel cartoon, that wasn't a knock on Obama. If anything, it portrayed him as being smart enough to know to stay away from Sharpton and Jackson, two guys who just want to leech attention off of Obama. Smeigle gets it, and he got it in that cartoon.)
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:41 PM
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1. they're also New Yorkers
New Yorkers, in general, support their senator.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:48 PM
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2. I don't think it's political at all
the coverage of Hillary hasn't been positive. Nor has the coverage of Obama been negative.

The coverage has been hard on the media, if anything.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:49 PM
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3. Sounds like a pretty good assessment,
The only thing is, right now Obama has a very realistic chance to become the next president so I can't help but wonder why they're not covering their comedy butts and coming up with a better take on Obama. Think they'll bring in someone better than Fred if Obama wins the nomination?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:52 PM
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4. How tall is Fred? Like 5'7"?
That's not gonna work for sure.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:55 PM
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6. that and the fact that he looks like a zombie
it's a horrible impression, almost every detail is wrong.

That's what you get when you only have one black cast member, and he's nearly 300 lbs.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:58 PM
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9. Fred is very talented
Give him some time.

Phil Hartman didn't have Bill Clinton down at first either.
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:12 PM
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12. I agree Fred is talented and who knows, he might get it together.
But right now he's so far off it's unrecognizable.

By the way, every time I see your avatar I drift off into a little mini-trance. :) One of these days I'm going to have to rent that movie.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:55 PM
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5. They could re-hire Eddie Murphy.
He's make a good Obama-Gumby.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:57 PM
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8. Don't think so at all......
all Black people do not look alike, except to those who aren't really looking.

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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:55 PM
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7. Here's A Thought, Hire Someone To Play Him
Heck, bring back Maya Rudolph to play him. She can probably do the job.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:03 PM
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10. Seems to me they're making fun of Hillary.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:07 PM
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11. I think you are definitely on to something here, Magic Rat.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:15 PM
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13. They didn't have a good Clinton for 6 years
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 06:15 PM by dmesg
It really made the show suffer; Hartman was never really good (at playing Clinton; really good at other stuff).
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Gidney N Cloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:20 PM
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14. Hartman did more of a broad caricature take on Clinton. Hammond was more subtle.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:21 PM
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15. Yes. That's got to be it. Rather than hiring an actor to play
Obama, they are supporting Hillary. Makes perfect sense.
:eyes:
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 06:21 PM
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16. Comedians want Hillary in the WH
Not necessarily because she's a particularly lampoonable target, but because it brings Bill back into political relevance. And he's comedy gold.
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