Get over yourself: Your bruised ego is not a good enough reason to influence your vote

[George_Bonanza]

I'm so sick of Hillary's supporters stating that they will not support Obama just because they got insulted by Obama's supporters.

The offensive Obama supporters on the internet are a very small but vocal minority. And they are probably very nice people in real life, but the anonymity of the internet tends to bring the worst out in people. The internet is like Grand Theft Auto for our socially-conditioned minds, a place where we can express rash thoughts without fear of consequence. In other words, it's where the rules of civilization can be relaxed a little. Unless an Obama supporter came up to you and stabbed you, you don't have much right to claim martyrdom just because a few jackasses on DU or DailyKos called your candidate names.

There are some legitimate reasons to be wary of Obama, such as his lack of longevity in Washington. But throwing a tantrum just because a few of Obama's supporters made you feel bad is good enough reason to reconsider universal suffrage. That's about the worst rationale I can think of when it comes to influencing your vote. I mean, if Obama himself went up on the podium and said, "All you Hillary supporters are a bunch of old, decrepit monkey skeletons!", then yeah, hate on him all you want. But Obama's been more kind towards Hillary's supporters than Hillary has been to his (she often implies that they are uncritical thinkers who are swayed by a smooth-voiced snake oil salesman).

So please, this election is not about your wounded sense of self-esteem. If you honestly think McCain (or Nader) would be a better president, then vote for him. But if you're basing your decision on something as selfish as your hurt feelings during the primaries not from the candidate himself but from his supporters, then you don't deserve democracy.

[liberal N proud]

1. I have seen a number of Obama supporters making similar statements

That should Hillary get the nomination that they wouldn't support her.


The bickering on this forum has been a two way street and a double edged sword for the party. Both groups are to blame yet they can only see to blame the other candidate.

SAD!

[George_Bonanza]

5. But anti-Hillary Obama supporters have a little more substance

For example, the IWR vote may be something they will not be willing to forgive, in order to teach a lesson to Democrats that political cowardice will never be rewarded. Another good reason to not vote for Hillary would be if she gamed the system via FL/MI or superdelegates, in order to teach the Democrats a lesson that anti-democratic maneuvers will never be rewarded.

On the other hand, anti-Obama Hillary supporters usually only have the "poor me!" argument.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. That's such one-sided bullshit

So if Obama supporters won't vote for Clinton, it's for valid reasons. But if Clinton supporters won't vote for Obama, they're just petty little babies.


Do you guys not even SEE your own hypocrisy?

[zabet]

13. No MonkeyFunk...

they cannot see past their
'Bama blinders.

[George_Bonanza]

17. I just explained the difference

There's a difference between not voting for a candidate for valid political reasons, and not voting for a candidate because you feel slighted by a FEW of his/her SUPPORTERS. The former requires rational thought and education, while the latter requires only uninhibited narcissism.

[Maddy McCall]

21. There are plenty of valid criticisms of Obama.

This is one a one-issue election, as much as you would like it to be.

[George_Bonanza]

26. Are those criticisms so strong that John "100 Years" McCain is a better alternative?

[Maddy McCall]

28. Strawman.

[George_Bonanza]

38. How so? By not voting for Obama, you're letting McCain win

Mind you, I do not support the notion of not voting for Hillary should she win, unless she uses some kind of underhanded political maneuver to defeat the candidate with more votes, more pledged delegates, and more states won.

[liberal N proud]

11. Point made n/t

[Arkansas Granny]

16. There are Hillary supporters who are not necessarily anti-Obama.

In that case, their candidate has more substance on the issues and a larger amount of experience on which to base their opinion. Obama has a wonderful message of hope and change, but I don't see much explanation of how he is going to take us there.

[NMMNG]

20. That is so much bullshit

But just keep thinking whatever you want to feel superior. :eyes:

[Political Heretic]

35. Oh please.

No they dont.

[woolldog]

54. I tend to agree with that.

The reason I probably would never vote for Hillary has nothing to do with her d-bag supporters here.

I have two main concerns.

1. The dynastic issue of Bush-Clinton-Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton. I think the election of another Clinton would be damaging long-term to our democracy and set a dangerous precedent. To me this goes to the very foundation of our democracy, which is ultimately more important to me than issues like the war or the composition of the Supreme Court.

2. What I see as severe character flaws that disqualify her to be President. I'm not just talking about the scandal-ridden Clinton administration--although that might be enough--but the manner in which she's run her campaign: the Nevada caucuses, her demagoguery over the FL and MI delegates, her approach towards the Texas caucuses, the incompetence she's shown in planning/running the campaign and I could go on. Frankly I see her as the Democratic version of Richard Nixon. And again, I believe this would be damaging the very health of our democracy.

[Lyric]

61. Ahem

in order to teach the Democrats a lesson that anti-democratic maneuvers will never be rewarded.

You mean, say, like hiring a vicious homophobe who thinks gay people kill children as an emcee for your campaign, in order to pander to religious bigots and win a few fundie votes? Is that an anti-democratic enough "maneuver" for you? As for political cowardice--is pandering to the right wing really all that brave?

Pot, I'd like to introduce you to my dear friend Mr. Kettle...

[NashVegas]

64. Oh, Bullshit Pal

If having an actual record is substance, so be it.

[emilyg]

69. You see only what suits you.

[leftynyc]

88. I can't believe how much bullshit

you fit into one post.

[rinsd]

91. Political cowardice? Coming from a supporter of Mr Present & No Show?

:rofl:

[roguevalley]

96. that;s so much crap. everyone gets so much time to advocate

for their person and when its over, they have to get behind the candidate the COUNTRY chose. This isn't about personalities or personal ego. This is about our country and if people can't get their egos out of the way and do what is right, then god help us all. I wanted John Edwards. I will support the winner of this shit fest whomever it is. Everyone else should as well. This isn't junior high. This is about the future.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. It has become insane

especially here on DU.

Good rant. Thanks for posting.

[Bullet1987]

3. Even though this thread will be ignored...I agree

there's too much whining on this board by all parties. I've never understood the rationale for not voting for a candidate because they have obnoxious supporters. Well, here's some breaking news...ALL CANDIDATES HAVE ANNOYING SUPPORTERS!! Even Edwards had annoying and tiresome supporters as does Clinton. But I think a lot of it is just fake outrage.

[Olney Blue]

4. Let's cross this bridge when we come to it! I think once the nominee is

decided, there will be a solidification of our efforts against the GOP.

[Faygo Kid]

6. I don't want the power to determine anyone else's vote.

I want to influence it, but that's all. The Hillary supporters who say they won't vote for Obama because someone (maybe me) supports him and opposes her give me entirely too much power. I don't want it, and they shouldn't grant it.

If you can't bring yourself to vote for him in November, make that decision based on your own self, and don't give that power to someone else.

[NanceGreggs]

7. Well said!!!

:kick: and REC'D!!!

[Cha]

8. That's just the lastest in their..

"it's all about me" tactics. Since this whole thing started they've been nothing if not disingenous attackers.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. Your post is the perfect example of trotting out the "us against them" canard.

"They" all do this.

Now, anyone who supports Sen. Clinton is a "disingenuous attacker" who is nothing more that "all about me".

At least, according to you.

I know the Sen. Obama supporters who have been liberal Democrats first, and I respect them. They would never dream of categorizing the supporters of another Democratic candidate during the primary the way in which you have.

[Cha]

40. Bull...I'm stating my experience on DU and

you're throwin' out canards.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

43. Your experience sounds very one sided. First of all, you "take" sides and then explain how "your"

side is subjected to injustices by the "other" side.

So, I give up, you have no interest in understanding other than your own view.

[Cha]

44. Good..give it up.

'Cause I've had it with the bullshit from hilary's gang.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

47. Aren't we all Democrats?

on edit: spell check, you are my friend. OMG :rofl:

[Arkansas Granny]

10. First of all, I will support and vote for the Democratic nominee.

I disagree on your opinion, however, that these are very nice people in real life. Even the anonymity of the internet can't excuse some of the hateful comments I have seen on this board over the last two weeks from supporters of both candidates.

[Maddy McCall]

12. My vote belongs to me. How I choose to spend it is my business.

And the factors that I use to determine how I cast my vote is my business.

[zabet]

14. Bravo!!

:applause:

[Name removed]

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[LostinVA]

18. Exactly

[George_Bonanza]

22. Then you surrender all moral ground to:

Racist voters. Sexist voters. Woefully uninformed voters. Sabotage voters. Homophobic voters.

[Maddy McCall]

23. How do you figure that?

Your logic is woefully faulty.

[George_Bonanza]

31. If someone refuses to vote for Hillary because she's a woman...

Then that person is also exercising his/her right to vote in any fashion as he/she wishes. What makes your democratic freedom more valid than theirs?

[Maddy McCall]

33. You've obviously stepped off the deep end.

People own their votes. People can cast their votes for whomever they choose, for whatever reason they choose.

I don't have to like their reasons. They don't have to tell me their reasons.

That's why we have SECRET BALLOTS in the good ol' USA.

[George_Bonanza]

39. You don't agree that there are certain moral standards that come with the right to vote?

[MonkeyFunk]

41. So along with the right to vote

comes the moral responsibility to vote the way YOU want? A little full of ourselves today, aren't we?

[George_Bonanza]

48. Casting votes on substantial issues is not MY personal criteria for effective democracy

[MonkeyFunk]

50. So what did you mean?

What moral standards come with the right to vote? Would you take away the right to vote for people who don't meet your moral standards? That sounds very right-wingish to me.

[George_Bonanza]

57. I would not take away their right, but I would try to educate them

Democracy doesn't work if people don't think in intelligent fashion, and while I would never advocate creating some kind of test for the right to vote, I certainly advocate trying to persuade voters to make their choice on sound and responsible factors. Personal vendettas are not among those factors.

[ExtraGriz]

30. you expressed my exact sentiment.

its my vote, my choice, and its none of your business why and who i cast my vote for.

[okasha]

19. You might read a little more closely.

Some of us, for example, won't vote for Obama because he grappled himself to Donnie McClurkin and the "ex-gay" movement and won't let go.

Others see him as just one more in a loong line of Daly machine corrupt politicians.

Others see his "reaching out" to Republicans as a cave-in.

Others object to his willingness to invade Pakistan, his refusal to renounce the use of mercenaries and his repeated funding of the Iraq war--even if he was against it before he was for it.

The rudeness and cultish authoritarian mindset from some Obama supporters is just the fresh icing on the coprolite cake.

[George_Bonanza]

24. Yet IWR is okay by you?

An issue like Donnie McClurkin doesn't reflect well on Obama, but it's still nothing compared to the authorization of a war that has caused thousands of American lives and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi ones.

Selective sprouting of moral conscience by Hillary's supporters, yet again.

[okasha]

34. Nice try. No cigar.

Right now I care a whole lot less about how we got into Iraq than how and how quickly we get out. Nuking Pakistan and starting WWIII on the way out the door doesn't seem quite the thing, y'know?

LGBT kids dead in the US because of Donnie's and Obama's buddies' homophobia are just as needlessly dead as war victims in Iraq. You've got some selective outrage going there, dude.

[George_Bonanza]

37. Nuking Pakistan? Dead LGBT kids? Getting desperate there, huh?

Obama said that if there was a critical terrorist threat in Pakistan, and the Pakistani government was uncooperative, he would be willing (reluctantly, I'm sure, since he did not authorize unsubstantiated pre-emptive war like Hillary did) to take action. I think most Americans would expect their presidents to do the same.

Obama supports gay adoption, and opposes homophobic policies like "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Are you going to blame him for Matthew Shepard's death now?

[okasha]

56. "Desperate" seems to be the favorite word of Obama disciples

when they don't have anything relevant to say.

Before you shoot off your keyboard again, educate yourself on the homeless and suicide rate of LGBT youth and the emotional and physical abuse inflicted on them by Donnie McClurkin's "ex-gay" programs and their fundamentalist sympathizers. Obama may "disagree" with McClurkin, but he's never repudiated him. He got evangelical votes from his good buddy's hate-spew, and he seems to think that's a fair exchange for LGBT kids' lives and sanity.

[George_Bonanza]

58. Obama has always fought for LGBT issues

If you want to find fault, why not with Hillary and her husband's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy, and his failure to veto DOMA? Okay, maybe it's not fair to fault her on her husband's presidency, but she sure loves to ride his coattails when all those working-class voters and Latinos remember fondly of the Clinton years.

And while I don't want to trivialize the suffering of GLBT people, you must be deluded if you think that there are hundreds of thousands of gays who have died in the past 6 years directly due to a bill that Obama supported.

And you have failed to address my refute to your "nuking Pakistan" claim.

[okasha]

71. So it's okay with you if only hundreds

or thousands of gay kids are killed or subjected to abuse because that doesn't come near the number who have been killed in Iraq? And it's okay with you that Obama snuggles up to the abusers? I'm hesitant to call Obama himself a homophobe--though he's willing to pander to homophobes when he wants their votes--but many of his followers are certainly among the worst homophobic bigots I've seen outside a fundy church.

[George_Bonanza]

77. Many of Obama's followers are homophobes? Where's your proof?

That's a damning statement that you better be able to back up with sources.

Again, you can't, with any kind of intellectual integrity, claim that Obama is somehow directly responsible for the trauma and deaths of gays when Hillary was one-half of the power couple that instituted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and DOMA.

[NMMNG]

25. Stop trying to inject rationality into this thread.

It's a lost cause.

[Maddy McCall]

27. It's like talking to a kindergartener who wants a piece of candy...

and can't understand why everyone doesn't want the same piece of candy.

[NMMNG]

32. Rather like fundies who can't understand why everybody

doesn't want to accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

[okasha]

36. Oh, please. Jesus is so 60's--MLK and all that.

JC's been replaced by God's Nephew, Holy Barack of Hilo. I keep waiting to hear he's healed a leper.

[NMMNG]

45. True that

[apocalypsehow]

42. Notice, not one reply from an HRC booster has been on point - it's been about EXCUSES. After the

primary is over, I'll be interested to see how many of these savants put their money where their mouths are and openly proclaim their intention to not vote for the Democratic nominee. Probably not many, since courage, like a familiarity with the truth, is something I've found lacking in the more strident HRC supporters.

[DemBones DemBones]

46. Obama has a lot of nerve criticizing anybody who voted for the IWR.

A guy who wasn't in the Senate to have to vote on the IWR can't claim he voted against the war, and he's lying when he says he always opposed the war.

In July 2004, while running for the U.S. Senate, Obama told the Chicago newspaper that his position on the war was much like George W. Bush's. He has said during this campaign that he wants to add 100,000 troops to the military. Do you think there will be 100,000 more suckers who'll enlist or will we be feeling a draft?

In 2002, while in the Illinois Senate, Obama made an anti-war speech at a rally. Big whoop. One speech.

Obama morphed into being pro-war in 2004 when the war was being supported by a lot of voters and he wanted to get elected. He'll say whatever works for him at the time.

Obama has voted for every single bill to fund the war and he voted to extend the PATRIOT Act, among other bad votes. I don't like bald-faced liars, even if they have a D behind their name.

Clinton is just a bit better -- I'm not exactly a fan of hers as anyone who's been here any length of time should know -- but she could beat McCain and presumably would be better than him.

I'd like to have a president who really would change things: Dennis Kucinich. But he's not smooth-talking and charismatic enough for people who look at surface rather than substance. I'm sorry that I live in a country with so many shallow people but I no longer care what happens in this election since I can't do anything about it. In reality, none of us have any effect on our government. They let us vote to make us think we have some power.

We're governed by people who are predominantly wealthy graduates of Ivy League schools, most of them lawyers, and who will never bite the corporate hands that feed them. It's an oligarchy, not a democratic republic. Once in a great while, there is change. Huey Long's involvement of regular people in politics became a threat to FDR so FDR, a very wealthy man, adopted some of Huey Long's ideas, created jobs for many unemployed people, set up Social Security, etc. LBJ gave us the Cvil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and Medicare because he didn't grow up with money, was once a teacher in Texas, and he knew those were good things to do for Americans. We're due for another president who'll make some real changes but I have no faith that Obama would do so and little faith that Clinton would.

My ego's not bruised, my soul is, because this could be a great country.

[DemGa]

49. Stop acting like the contest is over

The Dem base may yet thwart your fad movement.

[George_Bonanza]

51. Fad movement? How substantiative an argument

[DemGa]

52. The contest is not over -- that's a substantive argument

And yes, I think Obama is a tragic fad for this country -- this is my viewpoint and I am not alone.

[George_Bonanza]

59. Hillary needs to win Texas and Ohio by at least 15 points

So yes, the contest is still not over.

[JVS]

53. I have 2 words for anyone saying they will not support Obama just because they got insulted at DU

FUCK YOU!

[Saturday]

55. Gee, and here I thought I could vote for whoever I wanted

for whatever reason I wanted. Thanks for straightening me out.

[George_Bonanza]

60. Tell that to the apparent hordes of hardcore sexists out there who don't like Hillary

They're also voting for whoever they want for whatever reasons they want. Don't bitch about them then if you're not going to vote for Obama because his supporters are meanies.

[blues90]

62. Perhaps it would have been best if

All the Obama supporters would have thought ahead of time well before they ganged up on Hillary , even the ones on liberal radio shows .

Perhaps before flooding the board with Obama photo's and avatars and raving about all the states he won and how much money people have sent him people may not be so divided . Oh and the polls , the insane none sense polls .

Perhaps before almost calling Obama the next president before anyone has won would have helped .

In my opinion and I don't like either Hillary or Obama , Obama supporters have gone way over board to the point of pushing your views in everyones face as one would force a dogs nose in his own crap .

No one wants a hero , there is no such thing . Now you expect people to just jump over to the Obama camp out of fear McCain will win , if this does happen the blame yourselves for being out of control fools with all your none stop blather about Obama .

[George_Bonanza]

66. Your post is the most inane one I've read in a while

Basically, your premise is that Obama's fault is that he's too popular.

Firstly, if Obama defies expectations in Iowa, or on Super Tuesday, or wins 11 contests in a row with an average victory margin of nearly 20 points, then his supporters have every right to be proud of their candidate. Perhaps a few of them gloat too much, but Obama's grassroots campaign in unprecedented in American history. People have a right to be joyous.

Secondly, calling Obama the president before anyone has won? I'm sorry if you lived under a rock during the past few years, but it was Hillary who was pegged as the Inevitable One before a single ad was even run.

[blues90]

72. You have made my point !

Your response is the typical attack mode rage that makes no sense to anyone other than you . Show me where I said that it was Obama's fault because he is so popular or where I even implied this .

And just who is living under a rock ?

My reponse was focused on people like you .

[George_Bonanza]

79. You said that you dislike Obama because he has been annointed

Yet it was Hillary who was the inevitable one before a single vote was even cast. Quite frankly, you're a moron.

[blues90]

85. Here is exactly what i said

All the Obama supporters would have thought ahead of time well before they ganged up on Hillary , even the ones on liberal radio shows .

Perhaps before flooding the board with Obama photo's and avatars and raving about all the states he won and how much money people have sent him people may not be so divided . Oh and the polls , the insane none sense polls .

Perhaps before almost calling Obama the next president before anyone has won would have helped .

In my opinion and I don't like either Hillary or Obama , Obama supporters have gone way over board to the point of pushing your views in everyones face as one would force a dogs nose in his own crap .

No one wants a hero , there is no such thing . Now you expect people to just jump over to the Obama camp out of fear McCain will win , if this does happen the blame yourselves for being out of control fools with all your none stop blather about Obama .


Show me where the hell I said any such thing ! What I said is there are amny posts where people are already calling Obama the president and even go as far to say who would make the best Obama vice . I also said I did not like either Hillary or Obama .

You have nothing here to pin on me other than to resort to calling me a moron . Well back at you if that's the game you desire to play . If you represent an Obama supporter than I can only conclude he has a bad following .

If anyone comes off as a moron it is you , your entire OP is moronic , the underlying message you put out is for Hillary supporters to get over themselves . You expect now that all who support Hillary should drop off the map because you say so . Get over yourself whinning like a baby coward that you are . You get on here trying to spin what i said into your own form of swill . If this is not the case then show me where I'm wrong instead of thinking that resorting to name calling proves anything of makes your point .

[George_Bonanza]

87. People were calling Hillary the president before the primaries even STARTED

And these weren't just internet junkies, it was the MASS MEDIA. So you obviously have a grudge against Obama because your ill-will is no equal opportunity.

[blues90]

92. I'm not talking about the lying mass media

I ignore the mass media fools and talking heads . I am talking about blogs such as this one and the none stop comments on both sides which are Hillary or Obama supporters .

You can't tell me that there is not a push now going on everyday where there are OP's telling one side or the other to just give it up and vote for their side .

Well I have a feeling that there is a split in the dem party because of this very sort of thing .

The title of your OP is proof of one example . There is no mistake you are an Obama supporter and this is fine , what is not fine is to be part of the divide .

Just watch , because of this as well as even liberal/progressive radio shows there is now a great possiblity of the candidates supporters
who's candidate loses are not going to support the opposite sides candidate .

Personally speaking I feel both are corporate candidates that will do little if anything to get us out of this enormous mess , which ever wins makes little difference to me .

Point being what the end result may be is McCain . Point being if you force opinions down anothers throat there will be resistence whether you like it or not it has became personal to many people , be damned with the cutting of ones own throat .

If anyone came up to me and told me to get over myself no matter what the issue was they will have then made me the opposition , it's human nature to defend their beliefs no matter what they are , these elections are no different in nature , there will be backlash .

You do what you want , just consider what may happen if Obama does lose and this can happen . The difference between Hillary and Obama supporters is as wide as it is between dem and repub supporters .

What really pisses me off is no candidate has even been mans best friend , all have lied and all will continue to lie . To make anyone of them seem like the best of the best is screwing ones self .

[eileen_d]

81. So basically you're upset

because Democrats got excited about a Democratic candidate running for president. Over-enthusiastic? Maybe getting ahead of themselves? Maybe crossing the line in some cases? Sure, but here's a question: are you an adult? Can you step away from a message board and make your own decisions? Sheesh.

[blues90]

86. There is no MAYBE about it

Why is it that the only way people can respond is by posting a smart ass remark as you just did . I commented on the OP and you feel it necessary to jump in and defend the OP . Ask yourself if you are an adult or are capable of making your own decisions or stepping away for the message board because after all you are here aren't you ??????????

Care to explain this ? Care to explain why you are so defensive ?

Why not read the OP and then see if you can make another lame attempt at defining me who you know nothing about .

What you are doing is exactly what you accuse Hillary supporters of doing and both sides are guilty of this . I am not for either Obama or Hillary and at least I am not here like a child as many are using terms such as Hilbots or Obamamaniacs or whatever these childish names are . what they do is show there are a lot of children here on both sides and the last thing this country needs are children voting who whether or not like a candidate do not have the courtesy to at least used the candidates real names .

[eileen_d]

90. I'm not taking any of this stuff seriously

I post here for entertainment purposes only. I think many of the Obama supporters have acted ridiculous; but I think at the same time Obama supporters are acting naturally because their candidate is popular, winning, and they are excited about it, and they just can't help themselves. Human nature, I guess.

[blues90]

93. Really , you kicked this ball 3 times .

If you like to stir things up I'm cool with that . The reason we are where we are is because of what the mentality of human nature has become , going over the top because of the big win is just how we ended up in this hell on earth . This is how we ended up attacking Iraq because of the off kilter human nature has ballooned into . We need to learn how to control the reptilian part of the brain .

[treestar]

63. True, it is better not to get too emotionally involved

It happens every election, though. The intraparty fighting for the nomination is in fact worse than the contest against the other party.

[BlackVelvet04]

65. If you think a bruised ego is the reason you're dumber than

a box of rocks. Try buying a clue.

[George_Bonanza]

68. What are the reasons then? And remember, Hillary's already weighed down by IWR

So if you're willing to forgive her for that, then you're going to have to have a similar leniency towards Obama. The possibility that he may have taken a few favors from Rezko is not a good enough reason.

[BlackVelvet04]

73. Well, my reasons are my reasons and you don't get to decide

what is good enough and what isn't, but those aren't my only reasons. First of all, lots of Democrats voted for the IWR...Kerry and Edwards, too, and most people on D.U. voted for Kerry, so give it a rest. Obama would probably have voted for it too because God knows when it comes to taking a real stand with a vote he seldom does.

He's a fake....that's why I won't vote for him. Everything about him is a fake. He admitted that he didn't know how he would vote for the IWR if he had been privy to the same intelligence and then said he said that so as not to embarrass Kerry which tells me he has no real conviction...he's an opportunist. He plays the political game just like all the rest as evidenced by his playing the PRESENT game in Illinois because that is the way things are done in Illinois. He says he's different but he isn't or he would have taken a stand and not played the damn game. He's a people pleaser which means he's a fake. I can spot a fake a mile away....I nailed bush for what he is long before most people. For God's sake the man has been running on a platform of a vote he never had to take. He funded the war just like everyone else.

He's a slick talking evangelist and he says and does things that would make almost every D.U.er cringe if he was a republican or just another white guy. He stands up and talks about being a proud Christian, talk that made most D.U. members puke when bush did it. He asks for AMEN's in a speech after preaching about how to raise children, something that most D.U. members would have a hissy fit over if bush did it. My god, there have even been photos of him with the halo effect posted here....something when they were bush photos were made fun of...but no, not when it's obama. What a bunch of hypocrites.

If you think he's different you are so seriously deluded as to make me feel sorry for you.

I feel no guilt about not voting for someone who I would never even consider voting for if he had an R behind his name. I'll write in Hillary's name because I WON'T be part of something I perceive to be no better than the support of the other fake, gwb.

[George_Bonanza]

78. Well you see, you actually do have some decent reasons

Unlike the proponents of the Wah-Wah school of political thought.

[BlackVelvet04]

84. thank you....

I checked out the candidates carefully and decided what was important to me. I'm done with voting against my own best interests and holding my nose to vote for someone who doesn't care about the things I care about. Women have gotten the short end of the health care stick for way to long.

[MoonRiver]

67. GET OVER YOURSELF.

If I don't vote for Obama, aka the Great Oz, it's because I despise him. YOU and your silly ilk have NOTHING to do with it.

[George_Bonanza]

70. But why do you despise him?

And don't pick on his supporters. His supporters aren't going to be running the White House. His supporters aren't going to be negotiating with Iran and North Korea.

[eileen_d]

74. LOL this is one of the best posts ever

Recommended

[eileen_d]

75. Kicking this again

It's just. that. good.

:kick:

[eileen_d]

76. One more time

Because I can :kick:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

80. Gee.... Imagine That... An Obama Supporter Being Preachy...

:rofl:

[BenDavid]

82. I could give a crap what someone that supports obama in here

writes. I know myself and as Eleanor Roosevelt said, "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent." and I would never give anyone that consent....

Many of us HRC supporters see is the truth about obama. While he and his campaign put out all the lies about Bill and Hillary using the race card, and race baiting, we have known for the longest it was obama and his campaign with the aid of his surrogates i e jesse jackson jr that used this method to scare the black people....Obama sat back and did not say anything when the print media and the news channels went so far as calling Bill and Hillary Clinton, bigots and racists. This is something that only a reprobate would do, and I consider Obama one. He wants to preach about the "holes in the souls" of many Americans. I say to him, fix thine own hole in your own soul and maybe then we can listen.....

[George_Bonanza]

83. Obama did NOT start the race-baiting

Hillary made the stupid decision to try and put LBJ over MLK in terms of historical importance while running against a Black candidate. What if Obama said that it took a man to put women's suffrage into action? He's rightly be excoriated for an insensitive remark. And Obama did come to Hillary's defense after her ill-advised comment, but by then, not even he could control the aftermath.

So Jesse Jackson Jr. said some rash words. So what? I can think of plenty of feminist ranters who also tried the same tactic. Is Hillary responsible for NOW-NY's barely-coherent diatribe against Ted Kennedy?

And nobody forced Bill Clinton to compare Obama's campaign to Jesse Jackson's 1984 campaign. That was the smoking gun of the Clinton's attempt to racialize the contest since they knew that they could not stop Obama in South Carolina (even before all the racial hoopla).

And Hillary has been more explicit in trying to appeal to sympathetic female voters than Obama has to Black voters.

[Beausoir]

89. Obama doesn't bruise my ego. His gay-bashing offends my sense of human decency.

If you can't even accept the basic human rights of ALL people, I could care less what your policies are.

[Vinca]

94. If you can't vote for the nominee, I hope you can vote against McCain.

Another Republican in the White House will signal the end of any hope for our country and I hate to think what it will do to the people of Iraq and Iran (possibly Syria, North Korea, Cuba . . . the targets for McCain are endless).

[nonconformist]

95. Do you honestly think that's why some won't support him? It's not that simple.

Now, for me, I've never said I wouldn't vote for him. At this point, I just don't know. I will try to muster an anti-McCain vote, but I can't promise it.

Why?

Because I don't trust him. I don't like him... I think he's arrogant, passive-aggressive and pandering to all the wrong people and dismissing to the former Democratic base. I don't like the direction his brand of change has been taking us - and yes, some of that is the TONE. Just like the tone in the country changed when Bush started destroying the country. But most of it is HIM. He really seriously pissed me off when he said he'd get Hillary's voters but she wouldn't get his. I am getting really fucking tired of my vote being counted on, no questions asked. How dare he pander to Republicans over me?

If Obama wants to get my vote, he needs to earn it. I don't think that's too much to ask.