I do not believe in Barack Obama.

[Tennessee Gal]

Think what you will. I don't care.

I have been voting for Democrats my entire adult life - over 35 years - and this is the first time I am considering not voting. I know of many who feel as I do. Perhaps that should be a signal to the Democratic Party.

[blogslut]

1. ok

[K Gardner]

2. Perhaps it should be a signal to you.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Whatever. But I think he actually does exist.

[slick8790]

15. I saw him! Or I think I did...

Perhaps Axelrod and the other shadowy masters behind his campaign had us all hypnotized en masse.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

93. :- )

[krkaufman]

210. chuckle!!

Way to put it into perspective.

[theboss]

4. I live for posts that quote unnamed people

They're the best, Jerry, the best.

"No one in my family is ___________ this year."

"All my neighbors say, '_______________.'"

When I read posts like that, I assume the person posting is a shut-in and never actually speaks to anyone.

[femrap]

127. You too could be a shut-in someday.

[theboss]

136. Ooooookkkkkaaaaaaaaayyyyyy

Not sure what that means, but I guess it is, in fact, theoretically possible.

Backing.Away.Slowly.

[femrap]

160. That brain cell of yours....are

you drinking? You just referred to someone who disagreed with you as a 'shut-in.' Get a brain.

Ignored....can't even remember what he typed 5 minutes ago. What a waste.

[theboss]

175. Not exactly. I believe that people make things up online.

I assume that people who live in a world where everyone they know is turned off by overly aggressive Obama supporters on internet messageboards don't actually know anyone.

[knixphan]

253. that's a sound theory, actually.

[theboss]

189. Did you ignore me before you learned the dark secret behind my name?

It's a doozy of a reason.

[TheWatcher]

225. What, that you're Actually Bruce Springsteen?

I doubt it.

Now THAT would qualify as making things up online. :rofl:

[theboss]

237. And maybe I am

No, that would be silly.

I'm Randy Newman.


Just this morning
My wife and I
Went to the hotel in the hills
That's right
The Bel-Air Hotel
Where a very good friend of ours
Happens to be staying
And the name of that young man
Is Mr. Bruce Springsteen
That's right, yeah
Oh, we talked about some kind of woodblock or something
And this new guitar we like
And you know what he said to me
I'll tell you want he said to me
He said, "Rand, I'm tired.
How would you like to be the Boss for awhile?"
Well, yeah
Blow, big man, blow

[rodeodance]

216. Post is citing herself---get it ???

[blonndee]

5. Oh well.

Millions do, so whatever.

[OhioChick]

6. Maybe it's time to switch parties. n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

14. So you want to rid the party of people who might not agree with you?

People who have a long history of supporting the Democratic Party?

Is that the unity Barack is bringing to the Party? Just kick us out.

[Deja Q]

27. Said by the one who's not going to vote

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. You are the one threatening to drop out

Now you accuse others of kicking you out?

Martyr complex, anyone?

[OhioChick]

35. "People who have a long history of supporting the Democratic Party? "

If you've been a supporter of the Democratic party for 35 years.....you'd vote for whomever wins the Democratic Nomination.....no matter who. Obama *is* a member of that same Democratic party.

[Dhalgren]

63. That's not necessarily true. I've voted a straight democratic ticket

since 1972 and I do not know what I am going to do this fall. So it isn't a "given" by any means...

[NJmaverick]

73. I picked up on the inconsistencies of this story

Not hard to see where these people who say "SCREW OUR COUNTRY, I DIDN'T GET MY WAY!" are coming from.

[bellasgrams]

103. ' you'd vote for whomever wins the Democratic Nomination...

no matter who' Oh, no you don't. If the dem. is worse than the repb you vote for the repb, if the dem nor repb aren't worth a
crap you have to search your sole but you do not HAVE TO VOTE FOR SOMEONE YOU HONESTLY THINK COULD BE DETRIMENTAL to your country. If Hillary doesn't make it, at this point I could not vote for BO. I don't know what he will do. I don't trust him. I don't like his background. I don't like the way the press has given him a pass and not checked him out more throughly. I don't like that he has not voted on controversial bills. I don't like that he has chaired a committee for a year and never held a meeting. I don't like some of his views. Like using private contractors in Iraq and else where. I don't like him always praising
repbs, while running as a dem. I don't like him always whining about the race issue, and blaming the Clintons for using race, knowing full well they would never do that. That would be political suicide and they know that. They have always supported people regardless of color or status. He has just totally turned me off. HE lies. I'm sure as I sit here I will think of more but I think that's enough for starters.

[stop the bleeding]

39. No one is kicking you out, you're leaving by your own childishness

Your the one threatening to not vote.

[NJmaverick]

94. If you give her, her own way

Then she will vote. Otherwise no, she says screw our Country and it's future.

[Window]

58. You want us to beg you to stay? Are you looking for a fight?

We're tired of fighting. Do what you want.

[UALRBSofL]

110. Tennessee Gal You Do Know

The true progressive, Nader is running.

[Yael]

143. *cough*

[last1standing]

170. So you're really saying that you want us all to beg you to stay in the party.

Or this is a last ditch attempt to sway the entire populace to vote for Clinton based on some obscure forum post. Either way, I think you need to come to terms with the realities of life. No one is going to miss your vote if you abstain and no one is going to jump through hoops to get you to come over.

Try to be an adult and see that this is a politcal contest between professionals. No one here is part of their teams and we're all just blowing smoke, including you.

[Hepburn]

201. Hey, your choice to NOT support the Dem nominee by NOT voting...

...for him. What??? You want us to beg you to be a true Dem and support the nominee. You're an adult ~~ well, at least chronologically ~~ do as you please....just don't expect anyone to beg you to do right by us, OK?

[laugle]

285. My sentiments exactly!

When Obama said that Hillary may not be able to get his supporters, that's when I Knew the "unity" message was phoney........the knife cuts both way....if you know what I mean....

It made me think of the old "I'm a uniter not a divider," bullshit!!

I've never seen our party this divided, this is a close race and nobody should be dropping out!

I didn't count my chickens when Hillary was ahead, and I'm certainly not going to count her out now!!

[LWolf]

295. You don't get it.

It's all about "unity." "Unity" means unity with republicans, conservatives, homophobes, and church.

Bringing democrats together is not the point.

[femrap]

132. buh bye...to another stupid

one from Ohio. I thought BO told you to be inclusive and offer unity. What a bunch of American Idol hypocrites.

Get a brain.

[OhioChick]

173. I was being sarcastic, smart ass. n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

268. There you go again, reaching across the aisle - pushing democrats in front.

[OhioChick]

280. ????

The OP said: "this is the first time I am considering not voting."

If so, then McCain is up by 1.

[lumberjack_jeff]

296. You upped the ante. By encouraging the OP to switch parties, McCain is up by two.

You're not helping.

[OhioChick]

303. The OP Said:

"considering not voting."

That's a vote for McCain.

[lumberjack_jeff]

309. Voting for McCain as opposed to not voting is another. That makes a two-vote deficit.

We have your "consider switching parties" coaching to thank for the second one.

[ronnykmarshall]

273. UNITY!

HOPE!

CHANGE!

[OhioChick]

278. KeepThat in Mind. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

298. Is that a threat?

[OhioChick]

299. .......

:rofl:

Funny......Your subject line still says: "Sound like a load of shit to me."

[ronnykmarshall]

302. I changed it because I wanted to ask you a question

instead of being a smart ass.

SO. Is "keep that in mind" a reference to your previous post?

[OhioChick]

304. It Was a Response to Yours....#273.

"UNITY!
HOPE!

CHANGE!"

"I changed it because I wanted to ask you a question instead of being a smart ass."

Why stop now? :)

[ronnykmarshall]

305. Still no responce.

So I guess you have none.

[OhioChick]

307. I Gave You My Response.

And BTW......"responce" is Spelled RESPONSE. :)

[ronnykmarshall]

311. Charming!

[cali]

7. get over yourself, dearie

it doesn't say shit all if some git on the internet whines. It's not a signal of anything but that you don't give a flying fuck about what happens to this country.

[Deja Q]

20. Country is nothing. "What's in it for me!" is what matters.

Trouble is, jobs and our economy means more for more people than any other issue except foreign policy. She's capable, and from what little I've read, people in other countries like Obama too - even if he is inexperienced.

Everyone should chill. Said by me, the man who freaks out if somebody drips a drop of milk onto the kitchen counter.

[Olney Blue]

277. Hypno, did you declare for a candidate?

Just curious- I haven't see you slinging any mud around here. :-)

[Skittles]

52. no that is not it

I understand the sentiment of being completely unimpressed with the candidates and therefore not being excited or motivated to vote (I feel this way about the primary - in the election my sentiment will be anti-repuke)

[bellasgrams]

128. I say if you vote for a man with no qualifications, inexperienced,

his only attribute seems to be as an inspirational speaker, likes to jump around yelling childish slogans. I'd say people that vote for that person instead of a well vetted, qualified, hard working genuinely kind and caring woman who has shown us her good qualities over the years those people that vote for him, are not thinking about the good of the country. They are showing their immaturity in making serious decisions.

[aasleka]

156. Sounds like you haven't been paying attention to the facts

but whatever I am sure you can find other excuses not to vote for Barack.

[knixphan]

254. 'jump around?' like house of pain?

when does Barack 'jump'?

[VolcanoJen]

8. OK.

:shrug:

[Deja Q]

In theory, we have two good candidates.

It'll be fun to watch the competition next week; tune into 60 Minutes next week to sit through John McCain's turn. :)

[slick8790]

9. That's a shame.

But I know many who are considering voting Democratic for the first time because of him. I suppose it's a wash! :hi:

[yourguide]

10. Then take your ball and go home or...

grow up.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. hang tough sister....Hillary is going ALL THE WAY!

[Emit]

12. On every poll here at DU

the Obama supporters seem to out number to Clinton supporters, I think with 3 to 1 or 4 to 1, IIRC.

Voters have been voting for him in record numbers as well across the US, giving Hillary a run for her money.

Perhaps that should be a signal to the Democratic Party.

[paperbag_ princess]

214. A signal of what?

that the masses will get behind anyone that tickles the right spot? I believe the unthinking masses followed Reagan and it was those unthinking masses that we could not sway to our side against Bush in 2004.

Just because a candidate wins, does not mean that they are the best candidate. It is not football. Sometimes the best ones lose and lose big.

There is a legitimate argument for one who believes that a candidate will do more harm than good for our party and nation to not vote for that candidate.

It is childish (but human) to not vote because you want to punish those that beat you and rubbed it in...but it is just as childish to accuse everyone who does not agree with you of being childish. It is very immature thinking to come to the conclusion that there is only one way (yours.)
Life is way too complex for that to be true.

[Emit]

243. Did you mean to respond to some other poster?

I repeated what the OPer said with regard to the "signal," word for word, to point out the "signal" to the Party might have more to do with what the majority of voters are actually doing, as opposed to what a few might do or not do if one or the other candidate doesn't win the nomination. Is that not an important message, one that is more easily measured by the party, in fact?

I will vote for Clinton in the GE if she wins the nomination. I have always said I would vote for any Dem who wins the nomination. I didn't accuse the OPer of being childish, nor did I mean to imply that there is only one way (mine).

[rodeodance]

217. And what is "sign" when Repugs cross over to vote ???

[lumberjack_jeff]

269. There are two ways to dominate any group

1) influence others that you're right.
2) piss 'em off until they leave.

The signal from Obama supporters is fairly clear. They covet the support of Republicans more than the Democratic base.

[OzarkDem]

13. Understandable

He's far too close to the GOP, their ideals, techniques and message than is comfortable.

I can't recall another Dem candidate in a presidential race who has been so consistently and ardently divisive against other Democrats and against the party itself.

[tyne]

18. I think it's

high time that the dem party get rid of some of its members. So...I think it's a good idea.

[proud2BlibKansan]

43. LOL

:rofl:

[okasha]

154. Oooooo, purges!

Can show trials be far behind?

[Raejeanowl]

238. Don't Forget The Witch Hunts

Truth of the matter is, no one but you knows how you've voted, or IF you voted, unless you choose to share it.

But it does make for an interesting ethical dilemma.

[polichick]

22. What campaign have you been watching???

[Tennessee Gal]

25. I agree. Just kick us to the curb.

He doesn't need us. He has the newbies.

That is the message I am getting.

[yourguide]

42. I'm hardly a newbie, been voting for 20 years

and I am excited about this candidate. sorry you are so hung up on the coronation but there are democrats out there who support Obama, yes indeed.


If you cant get excited about this, about the possiblity of us having a leader in the white house that inspires then maybe it's not the candidate and maybe it's you?

[JoFerret]

220. Those Obama pics

- don't you find them a little disturbing?

[yourguide]

221. which ones?

[Orangepeel]

56. Well what is it that you want?

You seem resigned not to vote for him.

If what you want is your candidate to be the nominee, you can't expect Obama supporters to agree with you. You can't really expect him to change his campaign style given how well it seems to be working. His policy positions are very close to Clinton's, so there's not much to be changed in that regard.

Do you want to be begged? Is that it?

[tyne]

66. Well.

There's a vast majority of the population that wants to stop fighting and wants to work together to get things done.

Then, there's the fringe, on both sides, that relish the fighting...the name-calling...the divisiveness, the bullshit, the lies, etc. And, they want to destroy the other side.

I say....have at it. We've had enough. You do what you need to do.

[OzarkDem]

111. GOP'er won't stick with Obama for long

just until the GE, then its time for a reality check.

The "newbies" pretending to be Dems aren't fooling anyone.

[JoFerret]

219. This too shall pass

When the Obamians come to their senses there will be work to do.
Don't give up yet. the future is too important and there is much to accomplish.

[Deja Q]

31. So it MUST be so polarized? We should all make a tough choice?

[rodeodance]

218. Here---Monday---this Piece fits with your comments:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/opinion/03krugman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

March 3, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Deliverance or Diversion?
By PAUL KRUGMAN

After their victory in the 2006 Congressional elections, it seemed a given that Democrats would try to make this year’s presidential campaign another referendum on Republican policies. After all, the public appears fed up not just with President Bush, but with his party. For example, a recent poll by the Pew Research Center shows Democrats are preferred on every issue except terrorism. They even have a 10-point advantage on “morality.”

Add to this the fact that perceptions about the economy are worsening week by week, and one might have expected the central theme of the Democratic campaign to be “throw the bums out.”

But a funny thing happened on the way to the 2008 election.

Unless Hillary Clinton wins big on Tuesday, Barack Obama will be the Democratic nominee. And he’s not at all the kind of candidate one might have expected to emerge out of the backlash against Republican governance.

Now, nobody would mistake Mr. Obama for a Republican — although contrary to claims by both supporters and opponents, his voting record places him, with Senator Clinton, more or less in the center of the Democratic Party, rather than in its progressive wing.

[rodeodance]

230. Very understandable at this point.

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[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. Then don't complain about President Obama's or President McCain's policies.

[Deja Q]

23. Agreed!

If one doesn't vote, one may as well not whine.

I like to whine, so I'm going to vote. Na nah-nee nyah naaah! :D

[Mojambo]

19. You're a minority within the party.

Nothing wrong with that especially, but don't be surprised when the Democratic party misses your signal.

[kentuck]

21. Well...

His birthday really wasn't August 4th...it was December 25th...Christmas Day.
He was born in a manger in Hawaii... He has performed miracles. He has opened the eyes of the blind.
You don't believe that??

[ecstatic]

24. Are you among the 20% that another HRC supporter boasted about the other day? nt

[Windy]

26. I'm considering the same if Hillary gets the nod based upon her lousy voting record

and the dirty politics she's played to get the nomination. I am a 49 year old white female and a veteran who refused to vote for hillary merely because she is a woman. She is NOT the best candidate in my opinion and I will have a very hard time sacrificing my principals by voting for her.

To vote for a candidate simply because she is a woman is a betrayal to the female gender and all that we've fought for.

[grace0418]

249. If you don't vote for Hillary (should she win the nomination) then you are just as irresponsible

as the OP, IMHO. I don't want to vote for her either, but I will if it comes down to it. And I felt it was only fair that I respond to you the way I responded to the OP, lest I be branded an Obama apologist/zombie/cultist etc.

[kid a]

28. you are lettng your heart guide your head

if you really think McCain would be OK...well you ARE in the wrong place.

[Windy]

32. I won't vote for McCain, but I may have to sit out the election or write in someone.

At this point, that is how I feel.

[Tennessee Gal]

37. I may write in. I am considering that.

[cd3dem]

283. write in Hillary Clinton

send them the message.... we are not to be thought of as a sure thing... we should not have our choice not considered so some 20 year old can get hopeful!

[jefferson_dem]

294. ~

"Paul Wellstone was a hopeful man. Green was his color -- the color of springtime, the color of hope, the color of that bus he climbed on 12 years ago as set out on his journey for a better Americ," Harkin recalled. "Paul didn't want it to be a solo voage. He wanted us all onboard. And, now, we must all continue Paul Wellstone's journey for a better America."

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat?pid=134

[Daemonaquila]

190. Not supporting HRC is not the same as supporting McCain

While I think that voting for Hillary would be about the same as voting for Joe Lieberman, that doesn't mean that I'll be throwing my support behind McCain. In the end, you know what will happen with most of us - we'll decide not to vote at all for a president, or if McCain looks like he'll have a good shot, hold our noses and vote for Hillary, go home, and take a shower.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Stop the presses!! Alert the media!!!

A DUer is considering not voting if Obama gets the nomination.

There. Now you told em. :rofl:

[stop the bleeding]

34. I am sick of this shit!

and this is the first time I am considering not voting

boo freaking hoo, after 35 years of voting your gonna not vote in the GE because your primary candidate may not win.

God talk about childish, get a grip. No your right John McCain is so much better than not voting for a Dem even if that Dem is Obama.

Post like these should be banned from DU

[Tennessee Gal]

53. My primary candidate was John Edwards. And I am sick of the Obama shit.

[stop the bleeding]

61. I don't like HRC, and I am sick of her shit too,

but if she was the nominee I would gladly cast my vote here in FL for her. Both candidates embody the future that we have waited for over 7 years. We can't give the GE to the GOP we can not afford that, we need every vote including yours

[Yael]

145. Mine was too. Do you think he would be proud of you for enabling the war to continue?

[parasim]

36. So, this means that you don't believe in the Democratic Party, right?

I mean, Obama is a Democratic Party candidate. So, maybe you need to find a party that is better suited to you.

Or, if you feel that the Democratic Party has been hijacked by some evil cabal, or something, then perhaps you should stay and fight to take it back from what you perceive to be the perpetrator.

Why on earth would you consider not voting at all?

[Tennessee Gal]

41. Barack Obama is not the Democratic Party.

[kid a]

54. OK - now i get you

[Dawgs]

62. So who is, the candidate that voted for Bush's war?

When did we become the party of war-mongers?

[parasim]

64. No, he's not, but he is a Democrat.

and if he is nominated he will represent the Democratic Party to the world.

So, if you don't like that, or think he should, then either quit the party or stay and protest it.

Nothing is stopping you from writing in your preference. Just, please, do vote.

[ncabot22]

74. Obama is a democrat

Just like Hillary is a democrat. If you don't want to vote for the democratic nominee in the general election, then you are the one leaving the party.

But if you prefer to bitch and moan because your candidate didn't get the nod, then so be it. Just do it elsewhere. And that goes for any Obama supporter who will bitch and moan if Hillary gets the nom as well.

[Colobo]

78. Yes he is.

[OzarkDem]

115. No, not by a long shot

He's just using it as a stepping stone. Had he begun his career in a GOP power base instead of Chicago, he doubtless would have built his career as a Republican. He is obviously much more comfortable with them.

[Hugabear]

244. So only the Democrats that YOU like are the Democratic Party?

That makes sense.

Not.

[NC_Nurse]

38. And your point is?

If you don't care what we think, then why post?

[grantcart]

40. 48 hours + 7 days

[stop the bleeding]

44. Who in the fuck recommended this thread?

your recommending not voting for the DEM candidate

[NJmaverick]

84. Freeper trolls, would be my guess

After all that's how they want the Dems to behave.

[MadBadger]

45. A signal? Because you have so much power.

[ChromeFoundry]

46. Might as Well Vote for McCain Then. n/t

[Skittles]

47. I know exactly how you fell, Tenn Gal

I am completely unimpressed with what we were left with

[Tennessee Gal]

65. Thank you. Unimpressed is the appropriate word.

[still_one]

48. Then don't, why bother to even post it, who cares. You want to be irrelevent, go for it /nt

[Window]

49. Your prerogative.

[NJmaverick]

Yes- In America you can say "Screw my Country!"

"I didn't get my own way!" Well at least until the Republicans have a chance to really consolidiate power.

[bowens43]

50. We don't care what you think.

We don't expect hillary supporters to support the candidate if tit isn't hillary. You're pathetic.

[BeatleBoot]

51. "Yes We Can" vs "Yes We Will"

I support Hillary.

[QC]

55. Why do you hate America? n/t

[DemBones DemBones]

57. I don't either and I've been voting Democratic since 1968.

I will vote for Cynthia McKinney if she gets the Green Party nomination. If not, I may vote for Nader.

[flordehinojos]

59. count me as one who feels like you do. i do not believe in BO. and also count me as one who also

knows many others who will not vote this election if he happens to get in the GE ballot.

[maximusveritas]

60. That may be true in the South

I've heard from a few people who have been longtime Democrats and have voted for all kinds of losers and scoundrels, but won't vote for a black man. I don't think these people will have a major impact since we were unlikely to win places like TN anyway.

[Tennessee Gal]

70. That is a racist comment.

My reasons have nothing to do with race. In fact, when Edwards dropped out I first considered Obama.

[Liberal Veteran]

81. No, the comment wasn't racist. It was an observation of racism.

And I can tell you from personal experience that a friend of mine in Georgia told me I shouldn't vote for Obama.

At first she said it was because he was a Muslim.

When I pointed her to the facts on that, she said it was because he wouldn't salute the flag.

When I pointed out the facts on that, she finally said that "I just don't think America is ready for a black president".

I don't what you want to call it, but that is the definition of racism in my book.

[Tennessee Gal]

85. Some people are like that in the South. You are correct.

I have encountered them myself and corrected them just as you did.

[maximusveritas]

90. You never gave your reasons

and I've never heard anyone give any reason other than race for why Obama was different from every other Democratic candidate over the past 35 or so years.

[DDQ]

121. Many of his supporters for one. The misogyny that has come to

the forefront in this campaign for another.

[laugle]

289. He's not

qualified to be president when we are facing some of the most dangerous times in our country. His lack of foreign policy experience is a problem. Many people don't have confidence in his abilities, hope and change are good, results are better! How many people do you know that have started from the top down??

I don't know why that is so hard to understand.......we are not impressed by him......

[Liberal Veteran]

67. I will pray that on the road to the polls, you'll have a vision of St. Obama.

And like Saul of Tarsus, you will be converted to our side.

[NJmaverick]

68. You betrayal of our nation, will be noted

Still I am sure there will be plenty of independents and liberal republicans, who care enough about the future of our nation, to VOTE OBAMA

[Tennessee Gal]

76. Arrogance is not a pretty thing.

Barack Obama is not our nation, by the way.

[NJmaverick]

83. I agree- this post is a perfect example of ugly arrogance

People who are so arrogant they say "screw our Country, I didn't get my own way". It's an embarrassment really.

[Tennessee Gal]

92. So not voting for Barack Obama is now "screwing our country?"

And you think that is not an arrogant position?

:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

97. An arrogant position is the one taken by those that want to see

the Republicans win (and then ruin the Country), just because they didn't' get THEIR OWN WAY. Now that is the very height of arrogance.

[Tennessee Gal]

105. I have been fighting Republicans my entire life.

And then I come here see people like you spouting their talking points agains Hillary Clinton.

Don't challenge my allegiance to the Democratic Party and my country while you conduct yourself like that.

[NJmaverick]

109. Good time and reason to surrender

The time- When the next president will change the Supreme Court for a generation

The reason- You didn't get your own way.

I don't have to challenge your allegiance, you did that all by yourself.

[Tennessee Gal]

171. You are the one trying to get your way.

Grow up.

[damonm]

261. It is YOU who needs to grow up.

I support Obama, but will work to get Clinton elected if she's the nominee.

Clinton supporters should do the same for Obama.

To do otherwise is to hand this nation over to the GOP. And if you have been fighting the GOP since 1968, as you claim, then you know all too well how important this election is.

Are you willing to tell the tens of millions who'll be unable to get health care under McCain how your juvenile temper tantrum was more important than their lives? The people who will lose sons, fathers and brothers in Iraq?

If these lives that will be lost or ruined by Republicans are less important to you than getting the candidate of your choice, then kindly hand in your US citizenship - you don't deserve it - and stay the hell away from civilized people who know how important it is that McCain NOT get into the White House.

[lumberjack_jeff]

270. Noted where, acolyte? n/t

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[ulysses]

71. good.

Let Hillary supporters take the blame this time instead of Nader voters.

:silly:

[bpeale]

258. i think Nader will get way more voters than you think he will

there are a lot of very unhappy democrats right now that WILL NOT vote for obama under any circumstances. that's what happens when you don't front a candidate that your base can get behind. unlike the two remaining candidates, NADER STANDS FOR WHAT HE BELIEVES IN. he is not a shallow, empty suit.

a vote for Nader is a good solid vote.

[aein]

72. I saw him in Austin. He exists!

[bklyncowgirl]

75. Hey, if you want McCain appointing Supreme Court justices, knock yourself out!

Elections have consequences.

[NJmaverick]

79. To some people- it's not about the welfare or future of our nation

It's all about them getting their way.

[Tennessee Gal]

82. What gives you the right to say that?

Not everyone believes Obama is best for the welfare or future of our nation.

[NJmaverick]

89. My love of my COUNTRY

While all you care about is getting your own way. I am not the one willing to let McCain replace to of the liberal Supreme Court Justices. What gives you the right to question me?

[Tennessee Gal]

99. What gives you the right to question ME?

Or imply that I do not love my country just as much as you do simply because I don't believe in Barack Obama?

I am not concerned about getting my way. You seem intent on putting this in such childish terms.

I AM DEEPLY, DEEPLY CONCERNED ABOUT MY COUNTRY!

I do not believe Barack Obama is the best candidate for my country. I do not believe that John McCain is the best candidate for my country.

I am not all that sure that Hillary is the best candidate for my country.

I was convinced that John Edwards was what my country needed.

I am deeply worried about my country.

[NJmaverick]

106. You are willing to turn our nation over the the GOP

That gives me MORE than a right to question you. Especially when the reason is ONLY that you didn't get your way.

[Tennessee Gal]

108. I think you are an arrogant jerk so consumed by your support

for Obama that you will do and say anything.

I am done with you.

[NJmaverick]

119. Certian irony coming from someone that will see our country

ruined, just because you didn't get your way.

[laugle]

292. Don't feel too bad TG,

I remember a short while ago when everyone thought Hillary would be our nominee, and the BO supporter's were out in full force saying they wouldn't vote for her in the GE, it's rather funny now to see the opposite occurring........

Many were reasonable, but many were not!

[damonm]

264. It's called the First Amendment...

I too, was an Edwards supporter. I went to Obama after John dropped out, as I see him with the best chance to win in November.

And if you ARE worried, as you claim, you will be working your arse off to get a Democrat in the White House, because EITHER Clinton or Obama are superior to McCain.

If not, your "concern" is naught but lip service.

[dchill]

308. "What gives you the right to question ME?"

Don't post on DU if you don't recognize the right of other members to question you. Especially if you don't define your rationalization for a silly, provocative rant. Thanks for asking the question.

[bpeale]

260. or you getting your way? no thanks.

the only vote you can control is your own. and sadly, all your negative actions & words only serve to further alienate those you will need come GE time. you can't win without us. that is a fact.

[JimGinPA]

77. Don't Vote - And Then Don't Complain About McCain's Supreme Court Choices...

and his 100 year wars. How stupid some of you sound!

[Nedsdag]

80. Go ahead and stay home.

But I will throw the meme Hillbots throw at me everytime I say I won't vote for Hillary in the GE: The Supreme Court.

[tyne]

88. Don't anyone suggest they stay

they're whiners and are pissed because they might not get to fight, drag repubs through the mud, and bitch about the media for the next 8 years.

Good riddance.

[Double T]

86. But I thought obama was a uniter. Looks like obama is so busy trying to unite........

Democrats and rethugs, that he overlooked the fact that HE is deeply dividing the Democratic Party. I guess this what WE get from a Democrat that thinks so highly of Ronnie Reagan.

[NJmaverick]

91. More like Hillary and supporters divided the party

They took the slash and burn approach and now we are seeing the damage they caused.

[yourguide]

95. HE is NOT dividing the dem party

the Dems that refuse to let go of the past and pass the torch are the ones tearing things and candidates apart. Including the candidate herself. The fish stinks from the top down.

[bpeale]

262. A - FUCKING - MEN!!!

[dflprincess]

87. I know exactly what Tennessee Gal is saying

only I feel the same way about both Clinton and Obama. I had really hoped we'd get a Democratic back in the White House instead our choice will be between the Republican and Republican Lite candidates. I'll still vote, but only because I assume Obama's or Clinton's appointments to the Supreme Court will be marginally better that McCain's would be.

And don't be so quick to toss us old hacks out of the party. From what I've seen in my area, we had a lot of new faces show up, but none of them seem willing to do any of the work that needs to be done to get our district convention pulled together. And I doubt if many of Obama's supporters will be around two years from now when we're pulling the 2010 caucuses together.

[Tennessee Gal]

101. You express many of the concerns I have.

And believe me, I am not that much of a Hillary supporter.

[NJmaverick]

113. Yeah I can see that

That Hillary aviator really shows you are not a big supporter. If you are going to betray our nation and party, at least be HONEST about it.

[Tennessee Gal]

169. There you go again.

[damonm]

265. By your use of "a Democratic", you betray yourself

As the Republican shill you are.

[stillcool]

96. I don't believe in much of anything.

[RememberWellstone]

98. I am voting

but it won't be republican and depending on what transpires in the weeks ahead, I might not vote for Obama..I may throw Nader the bone.

[ulysses]

100. an HRC supporter

considering a vote for the Green Beast? Now I've seen everything...

[fightthegoodfightnow]

102. RIGHT - BECAUSE SOME CLINTON SUPPORTERS WOULD RATHER HAVE BUSH...I MEAN McCAIN

RIGHT - BECAUSE SOME CLINTON SUPPORTERS WOULD RATHER HAVE BUSH...I MEAN McCAIN

[Tennessee Gal]

117. Yeah. There you go.

We have done absolutely nothing fighting those criminals. We wrote no letters or emails. We made no calls. We did nothing.

Sheesh.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

120. Since when is NOT VOTING ......... NOTHING?

Shameful.

[cd3dem]

284. why weren't you angry when Obama was trashing Hillary on race?

What happens to the party when one dem candidate swift-boats the other dem? the party fails... I am tired of the people who sat back while Obama trashed the Clintons on race after they gave years of service to the black community... really irritated to death!!! if people were concerned about the party... if Obama was concerned about the party! he would have spoke out loud and clear on the issue of race back in SC and beyond... he took advantage of the media's lies and he let the lies go on until 85% of the blacks in America believe the Clintons are racists and gave their support to him! he is the worst candidate ever!

Republicans can't help being evil... they just are!

Democrats who shit on democrats are the lowest of low!!!!

I am voting for Hillary Clinton if I have to write her name in!

My vote, my honor!

[BlackVelvet04]

104. True to form the Obama supporters attack like a pack of rabid

dogs. good grief.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

114. NOT Voting is a Sin

and irresponsible even for some former cry baby Clinton supporters who don't get their way.

Not voting because you do no like the Democratic candidate is repugnant.

[BlackVelvet04]

124. Really? Is that in the Old Testament or New Testament?

The Koran? I've not read that particular religious sentiment.

You obviously don't have a clue as to the reasons the Clinton supporters feel as they do.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

138. Bigotry

The Koran? Oh, I get it now.

Is that a PC way to be a bigot wrapped in the 'holier than thou' notion that OLD Testament of Clinton is the only true play book.

[BlackVelvet04]

147. You're nuts.....

the koran was one of three mentioned. What a way to twist things. doesn't it hurt when you twist yourself up like that to justify shit?

[fightthegoodfightnow]

139. WOW........

You might as well called Obama ........... Hussein.

[BlackVelvet04]

148. WTF are you talking about? Is the Koran now unmentionable?

What about the Old and New Testament, are they unmentionable?

[rodeodance]

228. gee I better check with my minister.

[bpeale]

263. REMINDER: voting independent or green is STILL VOTING!

asshole

[NJmaverick]

122. Don't see the Obama people talking about helping or supporting

The republicans. That pretty much says it all.

[BlackVelvet04]

126. What I see is the Obama supporters contorting themselves

into pretzels to justify their support of Obama in anything he says or does. You are EXACTLY like the morons who stuck their heads in the sand and voted for bush TWICE.

I don't support republicans, but I also don't support complete fakes.

Oh, and obama supporters are the ones that want to join hands and sing kumbaya with the republicans. the Obama supporters are the ones supporting putting republicans in a democratic cabinet. obama supporters are the ones thinking they are going to work together with the republicans. You guys are the ones HELPING the republicans.

[NJmaverick]

137. That doesn't dispute what I say

nor does it excuse the unexceptable behavior of many of the Hillary suppoters.


I find it interesting that you think so highly of yourself, that you feel anyone who things a different Democrat would be better must be a "moron". Sadly that really puts you in a very unflattering light.

As for who will be helping the Republicans....

I am going to vote for a DEMOCRAT, come November.

Can you say the same??????

[BlackVelvet04]

150. Yes, I can....

I will vote for Hillary.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

140. And Yet It was a Clinton Vote that Took Us to War

I'll sing 'kumbaya' anyday.

[BlackVelvet04]

146. and a

Kerry and Edwards vote, eh? You keep singing kumbaya and while watching the movement whirl down the toilet.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

149. What Part of Iraq

....... do you not understand.

The only movement going down the toilet is a a bowel movement that was once a fine dinner and I'm not talking about what the Clintons eat but what they did.

[BlackVelvet04]

152. WTF are you rambling about? n/t

[saracat]

205. They don't have too. Obama himself talks about 'reaching across the aisle"

and his admiration for Republicans.

[NJmaverick]

239. What sort of sick society

Have we become, when people speak scornful of postive peacemakers and uniters?

[saracat]

251. The same "sick society" that realizes that Pelosi and reid have been unsucessful at "reaching out"

to the GOP..There is a difference between peacemaker and "sellout".And Obama is no 'peacemaker'. His relationship with lobbyists in Illinois was not one of "peacemaker".

[NJmaverick]

255. Pelosi was in a position of weakness (because of the numbers)

Obama will be reaching out from a position of strength. Plus Obama doesn't have the political baggage of Pelosi or Reid, in terms of prior partisan battles.

[grace0418]

250. Well, if you take the time to look around on this thread, you'll see that I told both

an Obama supporter and the OP that refusing to vote is irresponsible.

Voting is a duty and a responsibility. Refusing to vote because your ideal candidate isn't the nominee is selfish and spiteful and doesn't do anything constructive.

[wellstone dem]

107. SCOTUS nt

[OzarkDem]

118. Doesn't matter

Should Obama get the nom, McCain will win.

If you want to protect the SCOTUS, support Clinton.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

133. NONSENSE

I'm just amazed at the cynicism of so many jaded Clinton supporters who don't remember a time when the first Clinton administration was filled with the hope and promise of a new country that came to be realized. Enough. But they traded that prosperity for fear so much so it's hard to distinguish between Bush and Clinton. How ironic that Clinton forgot how her husband came to power. Perhaps I was naive to ever believe in them. Perhaps Obama will disappoint. But I prefer to be apart of a campaign that aspires to our noblest efforts.

[Labors of Hercules]

112. What do you mean, you don't believe in him?

Do you think the Democratic Party or this country would be ill-served if he is our President? He is a highly persuasive and intelligent Democratic leader who has shown time and again that he makes sound decisions and is a champion progressive.

So you want Hillary. That's fine. BUT, imagine for a moment if she were not running... would you still say you do not believe in Obama when he is the Democratic nominee?

If so, then while you may call yourself a Democrat, you clearly could care less whether the ideals our Democratic Party stands for are fulfilled by the President of the United States over the next four years.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

116. That's Alright

He still believes in you.

[jpak]

123. President John McCain thanks you for your non-vote for non-change

:puke:

[femrap]

125. I don't trust him. I don't think he is

what he appears. Those seven 'present' votes on Choice scream at me. Of course most males don't care about Choice. I believe he is much more aligned with The Corporation who have provided him with The Best Marketing Plan Ever.

And his church gives me the creeps...but then I am a staunch defender of separation of church and state.

And his fans are creepy, too. They've been watching too much 'American Idol.'

HRC is only 125 delegates behind BO...that's very small given there are roughly 4,000.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

134. Curious

Why does his church give you the creeps?

If you truly believe in the separation of Church and State, WHY did you 'pray tell' bring it up?

I also find it AMAZING that the Clinton folks, champions of the DLC, now characterize Obama as the candidate of corporate America....... it's just bizarre.

[femrap]

164. Because it may be that BO doesn't believe in separation....he

is always mentioning his baptism at 22 and his church. Was he born again? Cuz that raises a red flag to me. Have you looked at the website of his church? Maybe you're a born again?

HRC is NOT saying BO is a Corporate cocksucker, I am.

He is not as sweet and hopeful and unifying as you would like to believe...just wait...just wait.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

165. Huh?

Right.......... but you believe in separation of church and all.

Like I said, do you even know what church he belongs to.

It's one of the most liberal, progressive churches in Christianity.

[femrap]

181. that would be the UUs...

and I'm sure it wasn't a UU church.

Why don't you go get the link to his church and we can look at it since your knickers are in a bunch about this?

So are there women pastors/preachers? Are all races welcome? Are gays and lesbians welcome? Cuz that would be the most liberal and progressive church, right?

Jesus would approve of that, I bet. Jesus was certainly a radical in his day. Too bad today's Christians don't act like him.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

186. Do Some Leg Work

You write: 'So are there women pastors/preachers? Are all races welcome? Are gays and lesbians welcome? Cuz that would be the most liberal and progressive church, right?'

You obviously don't know the United Church of Christ where women are pastors and preachers, all races are welcome and gays and lesbians are not only welcomed but celebrated with their endorsement of gay marriage.

http://www.oxfordpress.com/sports/content/shared/news/nation/stories/07/05_UCC_GAYS.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Christ

[saracat]

206. Are you kidding? Look at the website!

[fightthegoodfightnow]

142. Do You Even Know What Christian Church He Goes To?

Please do tell us..................

[femrap]

155. Isn't it the Christian Community Church...or is it

Community Christian Church? I know it's on the southside of Chicago...I lived in Chicago for a year on business.

I read the website about a month ago...found it creepy. But I find most organized religion creepy.

I guess I could go google it and give you the precise name, but to be honest...I can't believe you didn't think of that.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

166. No.....

The denomination is the United Church of Christ.

[femrap]

174. But is that what the specific church is called? ny

[fightthegoodfightnow]

177. Don't Know, Don't Care

.

[Name removed]

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[fightthegoodfightnow]

187. Your Loss

.

[Orangepeel]

159. I trust Kate Michelman on choice

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/02/with_jre_out_mi.html

and I trust Planned Parenthood on choice.
http://ppaurora.blogspot.com/2008/02/setting-record-straight-illinois-nows.html


Since neither Kate Michelman nor Planned Parenthood would endorse a candidate that was not pro-choice, I trust Obama on choice (Planned Parenthood has not endorsed in the primary, but they have endorsed Obama in his past races and PP Chicago strongly defends his "present" votes).

[femrap]

168. I don't care what kind of 'pass' he got. To me, it

shows his lack of conviction to stand up for women and the law of the land. He's a coward.

I find it appalling that these organizations and women have to be embarrassed to stand up for the legal right of a woman to get an abortion if she wants it. And as a black man, he knows WTF oppression is...wonder how he'd like if he didn't have the freedom to control his own body? Ask him that.

I read Kate's article when it came out. NARAL also supported asshole Lieberman (your candidate's mentor and WAR HAWK) when he told women of CT who had been RAPED to just go get a cab and drive around until you find a pharmacist or another hospital to get the Morning After Pill. What a great guy that Joe is. You've just bean raped and traumatized and the last thing you need is to get pregnant and Joe says go get a cab!!!

There was a huge stink over at Fire Dog Lake about this. Everyone was pissed as hell at NARAL. NOW is the only women's organization that doesn't throw its constituents under the cab.

I'm not changing my mind. More women should call BO on this...but you are all so in love and enamored ...it's sickening. Always protecting their little men from the bad uppity women.

sick

You damn well better pray that BO didn't inherit any of his father's disposition cuz that man was a complete asshole. So far all I see is his grand ambitions..just like his father's and leaving the kids for the women to take care of...read Vanity Fair 12/07 interview of Michelle. Go check it out and read about his dad. I'm done here.

[Orangepeel]

182. you're over the edge

so don't change your mind.

But for the record, I am neither in love nor enamored with anyone (except maybe my husband :D ). I see very little difference in the stated policies and/or trustworthiness of the two remaining candidates, so I'm supporting the candidate that I believe is running the best campaign.

[femrap]

188. Do whatever you want....just so you know,

his campaign did the race-baiting...a move that even Rove would have loved.

And I wasn't even talking to you. Sure hope you don't get raped and need the Morning After Pill. And I mean that.

Keep protecting those little men....or maybe it's the little men you are hoping will protect you.

I feel like Jack Nicholson....'You can't handle the truth.' btw...Jack is supporting HRC.

buh bye and say buh bye to your husband,too.:boring:

[zulchzulu]

129. We don't need turncoats

Stay at home. We have plenty of new voters that GET IT.

[susankh4]

130. I'm with you....

and I am just about over with this presidential electon.

(I'll still be working to keep dems in the house and senate, tho.)

[RichardRay]

131. Party or self?

I'm 60 years old. I started my political career toddling along behind my father carrying a sign for Adlai Stevenson. I've wandered a bit in some years, but whenever I've been involved in electoral politics I've voted for the Democratic ticket. There have been some cycles that I had to hold my nose to do it, but I do that because I still believe, for better or worse, that a sometimes mediocre, sometimes great organization is more effective at creating what I believe should be in the world than I believe my own self-aggrandizement.

Take a deep breath and think about what you really want. If it's a throw away vote, then go right ahead, but think about it really hard, please.

[jmg257]

135. Perhaps. But perhaps not. How many REALLY feel like you - would prefer to abstain instead of

supporting the overwhelming choice of their fellow voters and their party, just for some petty selfishness and misfound "disbelief"?


Well - whatever you decide - it's YOUR conscience, so your choice. Sad really though...

[fightthegoodfightnow]

144. Agree 100%

I think anyone who doesn't vote has no respect for Democracy.

Heck, I have more respect for conservatives than I do for non-voters.

Voting is a civic responsibility.

[jmg257]

172. Cheers FTGFN! How goes it? We thought the Gungeon was bad!!!

[fightthegoodfightnow]

180. Yea.........

I get out on other boards (believe it or not!). Heck, even I'm surprised I spend as much time in the Gungeon as I do.

It's a big country!!!! It's fun to stretch out.

:)

[jmg257]

191. Understood - I tend to get too sucked in - good to take a break - Helps one's sanity a bit!

I am excited about Tuesday though; I don't think I have been this into the primaries in a looong time!

(and - surprisingly (for me) - "guns" doesn't even have anything to do with it!) :)

[fightthegoodfightnow]

192. Yea.......

...........it's refreshing.

I've changed ships two or three times...

One thing is certain...... in our lifetime......... we're more likely to see a woman or a black man win our party nomination than the GOP.

I'm not, however, looking forward to a contested Michigan/Florida thing on the floor by the Clinton campaign, because that is what they might need to do to win. That would be unfortunate and give the two states that broke party rules too much power. That's pretty ironic.

[jmg257]

193. It IS a screwed up situation. I forget about that mess once in awhile..

With ALL the interest in both candidates this season - something like that, if handled wrong, could bring us all down. We had what appeared to be HUGE interest in '04, and then it seemed to peter out - hopefully this time things will STAY..."exciting" till November!


I was sort of lukewarm (partly cause of the gun issue), till I REALLY listened to a couple of Obama's speeches - the difference was stark, he just appeals to so many people (and rightly so) - and THAT is good! We need to maintain a resurgence again!

[fightthegoodfightnow]

197. South Carolina was a HUGE Mistake for the Clintons

I never thought of the two of them as running together until the South Carolina primary. Up until then, I was supporting Hillary who the very next week became Billary in my mind. I think they made some HUGE strategic mistakes, including the presumption that they had the nomination locked down early. I also think that Hillary aligned herself too much with the status quo (ie experience).

Anyway, I don't think Obama is without flaws. To your point, I think he has been politically shrewd regarding guns (ie his noted silence on the Illinois campus shooting), but I also think he offers so much hope and promise and I can think of nothing else this country longs for. As a strong partisan, I'm amazed that some of my GOP friends find him appealing causing me to wonder, is Obama really 'one of us' but that's good because it brings a certain healing this country also needs.

[Tennessee Gal]

176. Petty? Selfish?

A deep seeded worry about the direction of the Democratic Party?

:eyes:

[Yael]

141. I believe that puts you in stage 4

I am sorry she is dragging this out. :(

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4848697

[Tennessee Gal]

178. Oh, but how about Obama gets elected and is horrible at governance?

What stage would that put the country?

[Daemonaquila]

194. How about if Hillary is elected...

... and still can't tell the difference between writing a blank check for the repugs' war?

[Blondiegrrl]

151. Oh, look!

It's the world's smallest violin:

[saracat]

153. Oops , be prepared for the flames.We are not allowed to disagree about

the messiah, according to some! LOL!

[JoFerret]

157. There does not seem to be any "there" there

...but the alternative (GOP) is worse.

But with Obama as president I do fear for progressive values and for social justice.

[Tatiana]

158. Tell me, please, in what way is John McCain better than Barack Obama? n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

161. He isn't.

[DemGa]

162. Obama has alienated a good part of the base

with repugs and indies to make up the difference -- bad, bad strategy.

[damonm]

276. Name them, and specify how he's "alienated" them,

Or I call BS.

[Name removed]

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[Tennessee Gal]

167. That must be it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:silly:

[CyberPieHole]

196. Pot. Kettle. Puce.

Race card much?

[GoldieAZ49]

240. maybe, maybe not

but that is getting to be a pretty lame accusation against anyone that doesn't support Obama

[Faygo Kid]

179. Here is a signal: Go out and win. Quit complaining, and go out and win.

0-11 doesn't cut it, no matter how badly your sensitive feelings have been hurt.

If Obama had gone 0-11, he would have dropped out, and rightly so.

So quit bellyaching, and go out and win the nomination. If not, get out of our way, because we intend to back Obama all the way to the White House.

[Tresalisa]

184. News flash!

You have the right to not vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE. Your choice, and for whatever reason. You can even write in Bugs Bunny if you want! Please do vote for the other Democrats and issues in your area, if applicable.

Me, I'm voting for our nominee.

:hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

185. Do You Really Think McCain Will Be Better For The Country, For The World, Than Obama?

Serious question.

[CyberPieHole]

195. I can't blame your for your ambivalence...I know other Democrats who feel like you do...

When I look at Obama, I see a charlatan who's mesmerized many people...He may preach a mean speech but he does not have the "ring of truth".

:kick: and rec

[fightthegoodfightnow]

198. Ironically.....

..... that's what I think of Hillary ever since South Carolina.

I think the smear job that was done showed the worst part of Clinton's campaign and was a real reality slap in the face.

I once supported Clinton, but no more. I could no longer ignore her Iraq vote with the hope that her other strengths would mask her flaws.

[barb162]

290. He's not been mesmerizing the reporters today, has he.

The Shafta-Nafta memo today, Rezko trial starts today, etc. ABC Nightly News had a devastating piece on him showing him walking out when reporters still had questions, etc. No one in the press was kissing his rear today and it's about time.

[CTLawGuy]

199. zzzzzzzzzzzz

that's how much I care.

[Hepburn]

200. IMO, you whine like a Republican....

...maybe it is best you join others more like you than us Dems.

Just a thought. Ever consider if you don't fit in, it is NOT the group that is wrong, that it may be that you are wrong for the group.

Bu-bye....:hi:

[Exilednight]

202. And I say the same thing about Hillary.

[workinclasszero]

203. Uh... OK

:shrug:

Drama much?:eyes:

[here_is_to_hope]

204. Thats not smart. n/t

[rucky]

207. Why are you telling us this? n/t

[gmudem]

208. Well obviously many disagree with you.

You may have noticed Obama winning 11 states in a row. He must have a few people who believe in him.

[saracat]

209. I think the very fact that so many agree with The OP and that this thread has these many recs says a

lot about the division the Obama campaign has caused in the Democratic Party. Some have been saying there is NO division, well, this is an example of that very division.

[damonm]

275. You've GOTTA be kidding me...

"division the Obama campaign has caused"...

Pot, meet kettle. WHO started the negative ads? Clinton. Who started the attacks? Clinton.

WHO is causing the division? Clinton.

There is ZERO truth content in your post.

[mattclearing]

211. Man, read between the lines of that post. n/t

[lligrd]

212. Call It A Wash Because I Am Beginning To Feel The

same way about Hillary. And I know that after over 30 Years of voting Democratic and 8 years of actively getting new voters to vote Democratic and donating to Democrats, I sure won't be doing another damn thing for the Democratic party if Clinton wins using Rovian tactics.

[Medusa]

226. Make no mistake. Hillary and company are destroying our party

with their campaign of half-truths, lies, distortions, and innuendo. "I take him at his word?" Fuck that. And fuck them with their Rovian tactics.

[grantcart]

213. 48 hours + 7 days

[saltpoint]

215. I respect your opinion and right to express it, but I think your political

strategy as a citizen is questionable.

McCain is bad news. Start to finish, he's unstable, intemperate, shallow, and wildly far Right.

I urge you to support the Democratic ticket in November.

[Maggie_May]

222. If you don't believe in Obama fine but

never ever give up on our party we will get through this. If you give up they win! Thats right they win again. We will get unified again and fight for worker rights health care affordable education and yes even this messed up foreign policy. Please don't turn your back we need your vote. I too have been a voter for over 30 years and sometimes feel our party has turned there backs on us but I know that if we even give the Republicans a chance to win again we as the working class America will lose even more. So please again we need you and we need to move forward not backwards and thats what we will get if we let them win again.

[NotGivingUp]

223. Don't let the brainwashed masses destroy your integrity...vote for issues...NOT PARTY.

Many here have swallowed the big 'D' pill. No matter what they are voting for a democrat. They are just another part of the brainwashed masses.

There is no way in hell I'm going to vote for Hillary or Obama.

Stand strong for what you believe. It's the only chance we have of getting rid of this corporatocracy that is running our country.

[mmonk]

224. I've spent years on this site.

I've been called Green, a troll, a purist, disloyal, an extremist liberal etc. by people who support the DLC and many that support Hillary. I find it ironic that Clinton supporters are talking about not voting if their candidate doesn't win the primaries.

[Tennessee Gal]

233. It has nothing to do with Hillary.

The Democratic Party had some excellent candidates this year. It concerns me that they are all out of the race and we are left with the two worst candidates.

[mmonk]

235. My candidates didn't stand a chance.

That being said, I will vote.

[MyNameGoesHere]

227. do not believe in him either, but it looks more and more

like i will end up throwing my vote away to him in the GE. I will feel dirty voting for someone i know is not qualified to change this country. I just feel like i am getting an novice to play president when it matters most. Feelings ala Jimmy Carter come flooding back, stagflation, Central and South America in chaos, Coming out of an crazy war, and sky rocketing gas prices. Wow deja vu.

[Tennessee Gal]

234. I agree.

[knixphan]

257. who was it...

Who ripped the solar panels off the white house...?

[EmilyAnne]

229. Then pick up your football and go home. n/t

[dysfunctional press]

231. well- why didn't you say so sooner? this changes EVERYTHING!

...:eyes:

[Vinca]

232. If Hillary is the nominee I'm going to hold my nose and pull the lever.

I'll be pulling it to stop John McCain from continuing and expanding war. I can't bear to see one more legless soldier or one more disfigured Iraqi child. I really wish people who threaten to go off in a huff if their candidate isn't the nominee would think of the big picture. Our petty squabbles on a chat board are nothing compared to the hell George Bush has created for an entire country of people. We cannot let another Republican continue this reign of terror. I really, really dislike Hillary - especially after her campaign antics - but I'll vote for her if she's the nominee.

[Renew Deal]

236. It's a signal that there's some republicans in the party.

We already knew that.

[peoli]

241. this is the first time in 28 years that I am PROUD to VOTE... signal to party?

[Beacool]

242. Preaching to the choir..........

I too am a lifelong Democrat and this will be the first time that I will not vote for the party's nominee if that nominee is Obama. It's a matter of principle for me and I will not vote for a man who I think is not prepared nor fit to be president at this point in time. My reasons for disliking him are many, but suffice it to say that it breaks my heart that I may have to sit out this election. If Hillary had lost to any of the other Dems. (other than Gravel), I would have been deeply disappointed but I would have gladly voted for Edwards, Richardson, Biden, etc.

I have heard similar sentiments by too many other people to think that I'm one of the few who feel this way. That may be one of the reasons why the latest polls in NJ show that Hillary would win by double digits, but if Obama is the nominee he's tied with McCain.

I think that if the Democratic party dismisses the more than 9 million people who have so far voted for Hillary they will do so at their own peril.

[Raffi Ella]

245. I feel the same way you do Tennessee Gal.

As a member of D.U.,knowing what I know and going through what we've all gone through TOGETHER since bush took office,I just can not believe that Obama would be D.U.'s first,second or even third choice.

Hillary may not be your ideal candidate but god damn atleast she is QUALIFIED for the position and isn't disparaging The Party as Barack is.Atleast she cares about Democratic Values and would FIGHT FOR THEM once elected.

I'm not sure WHAT Barack is but to me?He is not a Democrat.

[grace0418]

246. Voting is a duty and a responsibility as far as I'm concerned.

Don't believe in him? Like some people don't believe in evolution? Seems like a strange way to describe the fact that you don't want to vote for him. I don't especially want to vote for Hillary Clinton but I *believe* in her. And if she wins the nomination I'm certainly not selfish and spiteful enough to stamp my feet and refuse to vote. I wasn't crazy about Kerry either, but I sure as hell wasn't going to stay home and let Dumbass steal the vote without a fight. Letting McCain win without a fight is incredibly irresponsible IMHO.

[anonymous171]

247. Ok, whatever.

I'm sorry to hear that but it's your decision.

[redqueen]

248. I don't "believe in" EITHER of them. They are POLITICIANS.

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, people!

Pick the politician you trust the most and stop acting as if you expect them to be the next person to be nominated for fucking sainthood!

:crazy:

:banghead:


And as for not voting... grrrrrrrreat... the next generation of children WORLD-FUCKING-WIDE thanks you for your childish, stupid, myopic idiocy.

[grace0418]

271. "next generation of children WORLD-FUCKING-WIDE thanks you for your childish, stupid, myopic idiocy"

AMEN to THAT!

[redqueen]

274. Stunning that even with the SCOTUS the way it is...

*still* with the petulant foot-stomping.

[baldguy]

252. Fine.

Don't believe the hype, don't believe the campaign promises, don't believe the political attacks.

All you need to believe is that any Democratic Presidential candidate is better than EVERY Republican Presidential candidate. Easy.

[bpeale]

256. i hear ya Tennessee Gal!

i have been rewarding the democratic party for their assholery for 35 years & they still haven't given me anything to vote FOR. this year there will be no rewards. you can call it what you like. what you think doesn't matter to me ... but what i & many others do when they refuse to reward the dems will matter to you. i am tired of being told to march in lockstep. i am tired of being told to swallow my feelings about a candidate. it won't happen this year. i can't vote for someone who, to me, is empty of ideas & won't tell me using his oh so eloquent verbal skills exactly what his ideas are. all i hear are feel good speeches. it's time to get down to business & give details. and don't give me that bullshit about going to his website. there are many people who don't have internet access as we are privileged to have. what are you going to tell them? or will you be yelling them down & name calling them too? what i have read, and especially what i have heard, lead me to refuse to vote for obama. i see no difference between him & George W. Bush.

thanks for the reminder that Nader is running. at least Nader STANDS FOR SOMETHING, which is more than i can say for the empty circle himself, obama.

[knixphan]

259. can't wait

until folks get this militant about their senators and reps.

We could use this energy in the battle to get a 60% majority.

[JKaiser]

266. I feel the same way

[nonconformist]

267. First time for this yellow dog, life-long Democrat too.

I know others who say the same.

I guess they think they don't need us anymore, since they have Republicans on their side now.

[ronnykmarshall]

272. How DARE YOU????

:sarcasm:

[rcsl1998]

279. Though Not Enamoured With Obama, I Do Like Him - But His Ferevent Supporters?

Senator, you need someone to save you from your supporters...

[Tresalisa]

281. Has anybody else noticed this?

Look, the applause smiley is saying "O-BAAA-MAAAAA"!

:applause:

:hide:

[cd3dem]

282. I will not vote for Barack Obama if nominated!

If need be, I will write in Hillary Clinton. My vote is my honor and I will not disgrace myself with voting for this nasty campaign candidate. I have been voting for 30 years in every election and every primary for 30 years and have never voted anything but democrat.

I think if the Obama stooges and Howard's DNC feel they can push Obama down our throats, we can send a clear message by not voting for BO.

I know several people who are 30-50 years voting and working for the party that feel the same. I just spoke today to one person who is Hillary all the way and she is a super-delegate as a party leader.

I have never seen such nastiness and am at the point of leaving the party if we do not stop this type offensive campaign tactics.

[Tennessee Gal]

286. I agree. I may write in Clinton if Obama is the nominee.

"My vote is my honor"

Exactly right.

[barb162]

293. Hillary has found her momentum and the press seems to be finding

its voice on Obama on the NAFTA memo and other matters.. Hillary can be the party candidate yet.

[Tennessee Gal]

287. I want to thank all the posters here.

In my OP I said "I am considering not voting." You have given me reason to decide that I will vote.

It will not be for a Republican. It will not be for Obama. It will be for a Democrat.

[cd3dem]

291. Vote for the true democrat! yes!

a true democrat does not run the campaign Obama did... it is not about the first choice not getting the nomination.. it is the type of campaign this has been... tired of the media pushing Obama down our throats.. ignoring everything Obama does stupid... and creating stories that are not there... and sick to my stomach the way Obama allowed the media to attack the Clintons ... a democrat does not destroy the party just to win... praising the Reagan years and trashing the Clinton years!

thanks for posting.. I tried to recommend but it was past 24 hours!

we are having a similar campaign in our state for congress... lies and sneaky campaigning... not the way we want our party to go... this guy calls it Chicago style politics... not liking it!!!!

[cooolandrew]

288. It's only the environment, regulations and world stability on the line...

..Why not stay at home there is nothing to worry about whoever gets elected.

Mike Malloy " it's important to vote as in a political vacuum in walk monsters like the current adminstration"

[amborin]

297. good thing because he may be lying

Canada today defended Obama for his Nafta remarks

but Canada was pressured to issue that denial after the US criticized it for interfering in US elections. Bottom line is: Obama talks out of both sides of his mouth....he talks behind the backs of Ohio citizens:

March 3, 2008, 9:04 pm
Blame in Canada
By Ian Austen

OTTAWA — It’s not at all unusual for Stephen Harper, the prime minister of Canada, and the members of his cabinet to grilled by the opposition parties in Parliament. It isn’t common, however for the partisan bickering here to be focused on the Democratic primary in the United States.
On Monday, the fighting over a report that a senior campaign official to Barack Obama had provided back-channel reassurances to the Canadian government on the North American Free Trade Agreement, erupted in Parliament as Mr. Harper fended off allegations that he was interfering in the U.S. elections and trying to undermine Mr. Obama’s campaign.

[Occam Bandage]

300. If you don't believe in him, he won't believe in you!

[amborin]

301. smart....'cause no one knows what to believe in obama's statements

[judaspriestess]

306. You are not obligated to vote for him if you don't want to

and anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is just a bully.

It is your choice and I support your decision.

I have been voting for 20 years and I am right there with you. I don't owe anyone my vote.

[midora]

310. You are Entitled to your Opinion

You are not obligated to vote for anyone you do not support. However, I feel the same way about Hillary Clinton. I would need to take a stiff drink before voting for her.