What if there were WMDs? Hillary knew there was potential danger

[MojoMojoMojo]

She did the responsible thing.Urge inspections and denounce invasion.
With Bush giving her his personal assurance that he would pursue inspections,the threat of use of force should have only been used as leverage.
But Bush lied and people died.
Imagine if Obama had been a Senator and stopped any Iraq resolution ,and
then Iraq used a nuke a year later.
Would Obama have taken an irresponsible action?

Inspections were the best action and thats what Hillary called for.
She deserves credit for acting responsibly .
But its likely Obama would have voted yes or not been present for IWR.

[Skittles]

1. anyone who couldn't see bush inc. was lying their asses off

was a fucking FOOL

[stop the bleeding]

2. God I think I might win a million dollars on Wednesday

your post is worthless

[tekisui]

3. Goddamn, a lot of "what ifs".

We knew Saddam was NOT a threat. We knew there were no WMD's. Poor judgment is what every person who supported this illegal war exercised.

[jazzjunkysue]

4. What if the UFO's come and snatch you out of your bed tonight and

whisk you away to planet Zarkon?

What if Santa really does have to get down and up your chimney to leave you presents?

No more fantasyland.

She blew it. We knew it at the time.
End of discussion.

[laconicsax]

19. That's not even a fair comparison!

Some idiots (read: congress) thought that Saddam had WMDs because he used to have them. It isn't fair to compare that to thinking that UFOs will "snatch you out of your bed tonight and whisk you away to planet Zarkon" for the simple reason that everyone knows that there isn't, and never was a planet Zarkon!

It's planet Doom, which is ruled by King Zarkon! Jeez.

Now if you said "What if the UFO's come and snatch you out of your bed tonight and whisk you away to planet Orilla?" then that would have been a more apt comparison, since everyone knows that Orilla used to be the Asgard homeworld, but isn't anymore since the planet was destroyed.

[PassingFair]

23. Can I still get probed?

[laconicsax]

27. That's between you and your alien abductor

[jazzjunkysue]

38. Now, THIS is the DU I know and love.

:hug::loveya:

[jazzjunkysue]

37. Oh. Sorry.

My bad. :eyes:

[ecstatic]

5. What if Hillary had taken the time to read the NIE?

:shrug:

[Schema Thing]

6. We had inspections. The inspectors told us that the wmd's were gone

Are you telling me Hillary didn't know what Scott Ritter was saying back then? If not, why not? I knew what he was saying.

[Arkansas Granny]

24. The UN had ordered the weapons inspectors out of Iraq in 1998.

There were several sites of interest that the inspectors were not given access to. They were not allowed back in Iraq until November, 2002. The IWR was intended, in part, to provide leverage to force Saddam to allow for inspections, so you could argue the resolution to be successful in that respect.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2167933.stm

[Milo_Bloom]

33. Except for reality....

And that Iraq had agreed to let the UN inspectors back in 3 weeks BEFORE the IWR Vote

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/16/iraq.un.letter/

[Arkansas Granny]

40. And then retracted that agreement.

August 2002 Iraq invites chief weapons inspector to Baghdad for talks on resuming inspections

Sept 12, 2002 US President George W. Bush addresses a special session of the UN, calls for multilateral action against Iraq. Iraq responds by announcing it will allow inspections unconditionally, but quickly retracts the offer, making it conditional on no new US resolutions.

Sept 22 ,2002 British PM Tony Blair releases dossier showing Iraq has significant WMD capabilities, in an effort to gain support for British role in projected US invasion.

Nov 8, 2002 UN Security Council Resolution 1441 calls on Iraq to cooperate with UN inspection teams and not to obstruct UN forces. Iraq must declare all weapons of mass destruction in its possession by December 8, 2002. UNMOVIC inspection teams began inspecting sites in Iraq.

http://www.mideastweb.org/iraqtimeline.htm

[Milo_Bloom]

41. Nope

Your "link" makes no such statement.

[Arkansas Granny]

42. Please read again.

Sept 12, 2002 . . . Iraq responds by announcing it will allow inspections unconditionally, but quickly retracts the offer, making it conditional on no new US resolutions.

[Milo_Bloom]

44. Nope.

Check the dates, your link is completely incorrect.

I gave you the ACTUAL story link earlier. Please deal in real news.

[SOS]

43. Clinton was about to bomb 100 targets

Richard Butler is on the record as saying that US Ambassador Peter Burleigh (on orders from Clinton) told him to get out because the US and UK were going to bomb Iraq.
So yes, Butler told them to get out, but not because of non-compliance, but because Operation Desert Fox was about to blow up the inspection sites.

[MojoMojoMojo]

48. Scott Ritter was saying send back inspectors.Exactly the same as Hillary

[Omphaloskepsis]

7. You are right...

I guess McCain gets a free pass for his vote too.

[meow mix]

8. fooled by bush... haha right.

:rofl:

[Windy]

9. she does not have the judgment to be president of the united states!

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/2/192832/8354/283/467547

[Forkboy]

10. Mummenshantz has nothing on you.

[MojoMojoMojo]

11. She saw correct intelligence of Saddam Husseins WMDs for 8 years

Then suddenly Bush cooks the NIE with lies.
How does anyone responsibly ignore the intelligence?
She pushed for inspections.
She did the right thing IMO.
Bush lied and people died.

[tekisui]

17. UN inspectors disagreed with that.

[Recursion]

12. THERE WERE ALREADY INSPECTORS IN IRAQ

Bush made them leave

Jesus F Christ on a God-Damned Pogo Stick am I really seeing these right-wing talking points being spewed on DU? Have I landed in FR? Or bizarro-world?

[Arkansas Granny]

25. The inspectors were not allowed back into Iraq until over a month

after the IWR was passed.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2167933.stm

[Milo_Bloom]

31. Tell the whole story please...

Iraq agreed to let the inspectors back in 3 weeks BEFORE the IWR vote.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/09/16/iraq.un.letter/


The IWR vote had NOTHING to do with inspections.

[sniffa]

13. The WMD's were moved to Syria

Hillary was right!

God save the queen.

[Johnny__Motown]

14. It is clearly the difference between right and wrong. She was wrong

[MojoMojoMojo]

15. Imagine if Obama had been a Senator

Imagine if Obama had been a Senator and stopped any Iraq resolution ,and
then Iraq used a nuke a year later.
Would Obama have taken an irresponsible action?

[DearAbby]

16. Momma always said

if a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it ass a hoppin. Whole lot of if's in the OP...many of us knew Bush was lying without the benefit of the NIE (Which she had failed to even read, but instead opt for the "reader's digest" version)

They used Powell and his presentation to sell it to the people and the world, and they had to use DRAWINGS instead of real actual photos and data.

Whole lot of if's killed hundreds of thousands of people, and sunk this nation to the level of barbarians, where we torture human beings now.

I have plenty of IF's too, If Gore had been president, he wouldnt have ingored all the warnings, and hundreds of thousands of people would be alive today...But if a frog had wings....

[L0oniX]

18. What if there are UFO's and aliens from other planets? n/t

[Mooney]

20. Anybody who's "fooled" by W

... is a complete fucking idiot.

[sandnsea]

21. She did not denounce invasion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYATbsu2cP8

[PassingFair]

22. You're RIGHT! WMD's could be ANYWHERE. Let's bomb the PLANET!

Can't be too safe or too sorry!

[berni_mccoy]

26. Wow. I've heard that EXACT SAME argument coming from Republicans as they lamely try to defend BUSH

[EndElectoral]

28. If Chelsea had enlisted I might have bought that

[Johnny__Motown]

29. There is real danger, just not in Iraq. that is the problem. bogged down because the IWR passed

[Milo_Bloom]

30. The inspector lie has been debunked.

Iraq agreed to the uncondintional return of the inspectors 3 weeks BEFORE the IWR vote.

The vote had NOTHING to do with inspectors who were going back into the country whether there was a vote or not.


It was a cowardly vote for war... nothing more... nothing less.

[Radical Activist]

32. This is the problem with a Hillary nomination...

it helps perpetuate and excuse the lies Bush told to mislead the public. Iraq did not have WMD's and there was enough evidence to know Bush was lying. The last three chief weapon's inspectors all said Bush was lying to the public.

[George_Bonanza]

34. Are you a Bush supporter???

This is unreal.

[Swamp Rat]

35. LOLOLOL!!!!

:rofl:

[leftofthedial]

36. she was either stupid or complicit

this phony bullshit won't fly. she outsmarted herself thinking Amurka might just become the Fourth Reich. She's lying and double talking now.

anyone with two functioning brain cells knew the IWR meant war.

[mattclearing]

39. Anyone with a clue knew there were no WMD's before the invasion.

Just ask Scott Ritter, or Will Pitt, or any number of other people. Iraq was already a disaster zone, completely destroyed by sanctions, and the WMD's they had were supplied by the U.S. and past their use by date. You have no idea what you are talking about.

[SOS]

45. Powell wasn't worried...

"Hussein has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."

-Colin Powell, February 24, 2001.

[ContinentalOp]

46. Uh, there already were inspections at that point. They worked. Everyone who was paying attention,

knew there were no WMDs there.

[Zachstar]

47. Reduce the RPM on the spin machine.

The coolant is failing.

[anonymous171]

49. Go back to freeperville

Everyone here knew he was lying his ass off.

[uppityperson]

50. What if the moon WERE made of green cheese?

[bunnies]

51. What if my dog dropped golden turds...

but at the same time, monkeys few out of my ass, and then these monkeys snatched up those golden turds and carried them off to oblivion. What then?! How would I feel about flying monkeys NOW? :eyes:

[GumboYaYa]

52. What if there really was a Santa Claus.......