Ok, who else kind of wishes Obama was a Muslim?

[shadowknows69]

Or even better, in his Inauguration speech or even the first State of the Union speech, Obama proudly states that due to everyone bringing up the possibility of his ties to Islam that he began to explore it and has decided to convert.

That we are even having this conversation in this country brings the bile to the top of my neck. I mean I knew we had institutionalized bigotry in this country but it's still harsh to have it confirmed again and again.

It's even more perverse that a Democratic candidate is actually hinting at this in order to use it against another Democrat. I expect this kind of blind hatred and ignorance and twisted, dirty, mind rinsing techniques from their side but they and we should be called on it.

Why would it matter if Obama is a Muslim or not? George Bush and the terrorists have fucking won man. Game over. We have essentially banned for all time a religious group from the upper echelons of power in our country. No matter that a religion that has as bloody a record as anyone on a good day (Xtianity)is used as a litmus test.

The First Amendment has been well and fully pissed upon and at least 30-dumb, ignorant, fucking clueless, percent of America has lowered their flies and dropped their panties and squirted along with the fear mongers.

Now this infection of spirit has reached our camp? Inexcusable. Part of the appeal of an Obama nomination and hopefully win is that this country can finally have a stark conversation about racism and bigotry again, because you know the morans are going to come rushing out of the woodwork at record speed.

The true bigots won't be able to stop themselves from exposing their hatreds. They are usually as proud of it in similar company as they are in bullshit denial over it in sensitive surroundings.

Just imagine the exploding right winger heads if Obama had to pause in his inaugural speech to pray to Mecca. What could they really do? You can't impeach for religious conversion. If he converted after he was elected he didn't lie to anyone. Yes, the scarier elements of the evil camp would eventually get to him so I don't really recommend Mr. Obama does this but in my dream world of merry mischief making this would be epic.

This is a conversation this country needs to have now! The idiots in this country are holding the rest of us back. You know, us fringe Americans that actually want to see our country finally live up to our creed that all men and women are created equal.
S

[babylonsister]

1. My opinion? It's not PC to pick on black people, but Muslims are fair game

because of so much hatemongering since 9/11, and blaming every last terror threat this admin could cook up on Muslims. It is distressing to see a Dem using that tactic.

[Yael]

3. This is a good point

and I agree.

Wasn't it just last week that Krystal et al were talking about seeing how far they could push the envelopes on race, religion, etc...?

[Cha]

9. Excellent point..

but hilary takes him at his word. Who the frick cares if he is or not.

[Whisp]

23. got to have an 'ism' for the military industrial complex to survive well.

communism, terrorism, muslimism, islamofascistism.
and most of the fools just lap it up like a superbowl game.

[Yael]

2. Thats not the meme

The meme is that he is LYING about being muslim and once he is in office, is going to turn the country into an Islamic Sharia Caliphate and "destroy us from within".

Hillary gave creedence to this rumor tonight by keeping a door open that "she took him at his word" implying that there could be something to it.

I have no problem with Muslims personally -- I have several muslim friends who I treasure. My problem is that this isn't about "being muslim" is is about promoting nefarious rumors about false motives -- and I don't care WHICH faith is being targeted, it is just wrong.

[ulysses]

4. heh, I've thought that.

:thumbsup:

[NMMNG]

5. That would be quite interesting

I think it would be even more interesting if he declared he was reverting back to atheism. Considering the largest contingent of people in Amurka would refuse to vote for an Atheist (even over a Muslim or LGBT person), that would really make the whackjobs heads explode. :nuke: They'd have visions of him wiping out all of their precious privileges, outlawing religion, turning all of the houses of worship into porn emporiums, and all of the other nonsense they claim would happen if an Atheist ever got any sort of power in America. :rofl:

[shadowknows69]

8. A gay, black, athiest President would make me very happy heh.

Chaos can be so entertaining.

[NMMNG]

13. Any president who didn't pander to religion

and/or infuse his/her politics with religion (whether or not s/he was religious) would have a leg up in my book.

[Whisp]

30. a gay, black, female, pagan President

now That would be the land of the free.

but it isn't.

[frogcycle]

15. i'm withyou on that

hell, when romney made his big religion speech to try to get people over the fact that he belonged to a wierd cult (remember him? seems so long ago...) he flat-out said that it didn't matter what religion you were as long as you were religious. bugger him! I worship trees. and mountains. and rocks. does that count?

[shadowknows69]

17. It counts in my book!

[NMMNG]

19. Funny that

He was working to fight the system that was attempting to keep him out because he belonged to a "wrong" religion, yet turned around and bashed people who didn't belong to any religion. Such an ass.

[lastliberalintexas]

18. Now THAT is a candidate I would support

A Black atheist who also reverted his more liberal political days, oh to dream.


But you're wrong, we non-believers merely want to turn the houses of worship into brothels. You know, so that it's not too much of a change from their current use.


:hide:






And I am just kidding.

[frog92969]

20. There's no text book

on how to control an atheist, I think that's what scares them the most.

[NMMNG]

22. Yes.

They don't know how we're programmed because we have no owner's manual. :rofl:

[frog92969]

24. "owner's manual"

I like that, more to the point.:spray:

[Colobo]

6. I hope he's not. In fact, I wish he was agnostic.

[onehandle]

12. He wouldn't have made it to nomination. nt

[K Gardner]

7. As far as I know, Hillary might wish that after tonight.

[Critters2]

10. I've been UCC my whole life, and can't count the times I've been told

that means I'm not a Christian. I just wish he'd be clearer about being UCC. Then he'd be not a Muslim and not a Christian all at the same time. Fundie heads would explode like fireworks on the 4th of July!!

[onehandle]

11. Sex and skin color aside, a non-Christian would be unelectable. nt

[shadowknows69]

14. Agreed

which is just so completely against the concept of America I can barely stand it anymore.

[yardwork]

27. And the Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. The founding fathers

who allowed slavery, and wouldn't let women vote?

[yardwork]

39. Well, yeah. They're probably rolling in their graves about that, too.

rick roll!

[ExFreeper4Obama]

16. Bush said this was not a war against muslims

yet a significant majority of the Republicans seem to think it is. No wonder why the Muslim world hates our guts. Bin Laden can point to the anti-Muslim hysteria in this campaign and say that it is indeed a war against Muslims. More terrorists created and more Americans in danger. This makes me furious.

:mad:

[John Gauger]

21. How has Obama handled the situation?

I think our major concern as Democrats right now should be strongly repudiating these Swiftboat-type claims from the Republican attack machine. We did not see strong responses to the "Gore's a liar" song and dance and the Switfwboat smears from the national campaigns of 2000 and 2004. There is absolutely no reason why the Obama campaign should not me vociferously denouncing these claims. Not only are they simply not true, but they are blatantly playing to a not-so-subtle racism. They are actually hoping that our country is racist. They're banking on it. And then of course there's the fearmongering. It never gets old.

Although, I have to disagree about the Muslim conversion. I would not like to see the most powerful man in the world undergo the emotional instability and, to be perfectly frank, the suspension of logical faculties that accompanies a religious conversion right at the time that he is taking the helm. Couple that with the tendency of new converts to be particularly gung-ho about their religion, and I think we're dancing dangerously close to Sharia law.

Further, I think we saw from Clinton that you can impeach a man for anything you goddamn please.

[babylonsister]

25. He's sticking up for himself:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849622&mesg_id=4849622

[yardwork]

26. It makes me angry, too.

The thought of Obama announces his conversion at the State of the Union made me laugh out loud. I wish that that would happen!

As a Pagan and a lesbian, I'm used to being annoyed by the fact that there won't be a U.S. president "like me" anytime in my lifetime, but it's really pathetic, when we think about it.

This goes for the idea that a woman can't be president, too.

[babylonsister]

28. yardwork,

where did your name come from? Also, I read your post about your mom and kids. How are you feeling? If I can help, let me know. I'm not being snarky, just interested.

[yardwork]

29. I'm feeling fine. Thanks for asking.

I like gardening. Also, "yardwork" is sort of a play on words leading back to "grass roots," as in grass roots activism.

It's kind of you to offer help, but I don't need anything right now. I'm very fortunate to be in good health, etc. Perhaps you have me confused with another DUer?

[babylonsister]

31. No, I don't have you confused.

I meant 'help' with links to facts to not feel so bad about voting for who your family supports.
I hope I'm not treading on toes. If you think so, I'm sorry.

[yardwork]

37. I won't feel badly voting for Obama or Hillary - I've also thought they're about the same.

[Blondiegrrl]

32. I know what you mean. It pisses me off that he's forced to declare

he's Christian -- as though Muslim is a dirty word. That's not Obama's fault. That's the fault of the majority (sadly) of people in this country who equate Muslims with terrorists.

[McCamy Taylor]

33. I believe the "Barack is a scary Black Muslim" stuff is coming from the right, not Hillary

Painting him as a Muslim does not handicap him in a Democratic primary. Democrats are not afraid of Muslims. We vote for Muslims. Muslims vote for Democrats. The timing of these smears is intended to spark internal feuds within the party of the type that Nixon/Buchanan started in 1972 as part of their CREEPy dirty tricks (it is in Buchanan's manual, spread rumors about one Democrat that are supposed to come from another Democrat).

If Hillary wanted to smear Obama, she would say that he has cut a deal to give W. immunity in exchange for Rove's help. That would anger Democrats and is the kind of thing that people might believe since he is such a conciliatory candidate. Calling him a Muslim only hurts him in the fall, in a contest against McCain--and it hurts Hillary now, and hurts the Democrats.

Remember, for the Big Lie to work, people have to hear it over and over again for a while. The GOP has to start repeating it now if it is going to sound believable this fall.

Personally, I suspect that Obama is not very religious--like most intellectuals, and he started going to Church as an adult because that is what politicians do. I am not concerned at all that he is going to try to force any religion down anyone's throat.

[yardwork]

38. I agree with you - blaming Hillary Clinton for right-wing smears is silly.

These efforts are designed to divide the party. Let's not help them succeed.

[stratomagi]

34. To be quite frank, and speaking as an atheist

I would vote for a professed Muslim over a Fundamentalist
Christian any day. 

[saltpoint]

35. I don't care what religion he is. I don't care what religion she is.

I wish more Unitarians and Agnostics were in the race.

[mojowork_n]

40. No, "Identity Politics" is too low on the evolutionary scale to be taken seriously.

It's too long overdue, but one of these days, I'd like to see real, thinking, practicing Christians take on the bogus, irrational, easily-misled hypocrites filling pews in too many fundie congregations. With that in mind -- maybe the day's not too far off -- I'm sincerely glad Barack's a Christian. (He certainly has the potential to weigh in, on the right side, of a debate American Christians need to be holding, among themselves. Only thing is, only the wrong folks are willing to stand up, to speak for *all* American Christians.)