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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:19 PM
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I Will No Longer Advocate Hillary for Obama's VP If She Continues This Nonsense After Tuesday.
Hillary Clinton's eleven straight losses (more than Mike Huckabee!) has not been enough to dampen her and Mark Penn's endless and losing campaign. Whether it is ambition, whether it is a sense of entitlement, whether it is for some other reason, it no longer matters to me: Hillary is hurting the Democratic Party and her campaign has become a very petty and nasty one and she's about to lose me for good.

I've been one of the very few Obama supporters who has consistently advocated that Hillary be his Vice President. However, if she continues this nonsense after Tuesday and continues to help John McCain gang up on Barack Obama, I will then be convinced that she would only be a destructive force on Barack's ticket this fall and that he would be better off choosing someone else.

I am certain that even the Super Delegates will begin to peel away from her after Tuesday regardless of what happens. If she can not face the music and wants to continue in her spiral to the bottom, then so be it.

We will learn everything we ever need to know about Hillary Clinton on Wednesday of this week.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:21 PM
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1. I've grown slightly afraid of the Clintons ever since I saw the strong friendship between
President Clinton and Geoge Bush Sr. It's terrifying. I no longer trust them to do the right thing.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:39 AM
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20. Agreed.
I don't understand how any self-respecting Democrat could cozy up to either president Bush. And this campaign she's run has been disgusting...never in a million years did I expect to see Bill Clinton on national TV dismissing the black vote as irrelevant. All respect lost.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 08:16 PM
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31. Sometimes I feel I'm living in a sci-fi movie where Bill Clinton's brains have been possessed by
some extraplanetary evil race from the planet GOP and he's doing their bidding. :think:
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:21 PM
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2. Why do you think anybody cares?
What absolute hubris!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:37 PM
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12. bwahahahaha
excellent zinger - and spot on!

but only one of many, many examples around here
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:30 AM
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15. I'll send you a box of tissues for your great depression on Tuesday night.
I speak from confidence that Barack is going to win. Confidence.

Confidence just looks likes hubris to someone who is losing as badly as your candidate is.

By the way, your side's bleachers are looking pretty thin these days. Why is that?
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 11:03 AM
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28. You know where you can put that box of tissues.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:22 PM
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3. She's HHHHUUUURRRRTTTTIINNNGGG Us.....
Spoken in a Jon Stewart Voice.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:22 PM
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4. Shit. Ya Had Me Goin For A Second There.
For a minute, you had me actually believing that was up to you...

:rofl:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:24 PM
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8. Psst! Don't even mention that BO wants a Repuke for veep.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:33 AM
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26. Wait a second. Revealing facts is not their strategy.
:dunce:

Why would they talk about Obama's lack of political depth and integrity? You don't suppose it's because when the people see how hollow he is, they'll give up on him?
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:32 AM
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16. I'll call you on Hillary's stupid red phone Tuesday night and see how cheery you are then.
You are in for a really big shock when Texas delivers a knock out blow to Hillary's campaign which is already in the I.C.U.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:23 PM
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5. At this point I don't think she'd take it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:23 PM
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6. Why is it , some posters, including myself at times, seem to think who they
support for whatever really matters? I am sorry David , but I really doubt that whether you support Hillary for VP or not will really matter just as my lack of support for Barack doesn't really effect the outcome. These vieled "threats' of withdrawn support are really quite egotistical and frivolous. And I ,too have been guilty.It matters not who we support or don't support.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:24 PM
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7. I thought we would have to wait until next week to hear the whining
guess not
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:52 AM
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22. Only this, saracat...
I know that there are a lot of Obama supporters who have hoped for a unity ticket and that, while I am a minority in this thinking here at the DU, it has been a sincere desire on my part. Clearly, my posts for a very long time underscore this.

That said, owning two technology companies where we live and die by customer satisfaction and listen to customer comments, I know that even a single voice usually represents some demographic.

My sister, a bigger Hillary fan than you are as she was never for Edwards as you were, but always with Hillary still hasn't voted in Texas. Why? She's leaning to voting for Obama. I think that's very, very sad.

I hope that what I've seen from Hillary's campaign was Mark Penn and not her. However, it's really hard for me to believe even that anymore.

And, I don't know if I think she'd be a team player as a VP for Obama anymore. There is a wealth of talent that he can choose from.

There are clearly Obama supporters who have told me I'm crazy to have wanted her as VP. Perhaps they were right.

In any event, Texas is going to be the end of all rationale for any further campaigning by Hillary. If she goes on, she will lose her dignity. If she bows out with grace, then she might be VP.

But, make no mistake and be under no illusion: Hillary is going to be routed in Texas. It will not even be close.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:24 PM
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9. I moved into that belief a while back
when the Wisconsin attacks started and never let up.

Tonight's Manchurian Closet Muslim thing was enough to push me into hoping for her campaign to complete self destruct in spectacular fashion on Tuesday. I am done with her and her sniping and bitterness.

She will not build up the ticket -- she will simply act as a magnetic anchor to it.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:36 AM
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18. Her devoted association with Mark Penn makes me think she'd not be an asset to Obama anymore.
Hillary, by herself, or as a proxy of Penn, makes me agree that she probably won't "build up the ticket".

This is a hard pill for me to swallow, because I had really wanted a unity ticket. That desire is nearly dead now.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:29 PM
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10. ...
:eyes:
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:31 PM
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11. Why don't you give her a call and really let her have it
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:34 AM
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17. I'm concerned for the mental health of some of these anti-Hillary posters.
Edited on Mon Mar-03-08 02:37 AM by Bluebear
They really seem unnaturally obsessed and could use counseling. :sarcasm:

(Remember that little gem from certain quarters? I suppose that charge only works one way lol)

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:38 AM
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19. Funny. I'm one of the few Obama supporters who liked her.
I now know that Barack can choose from a far greater pool of solid choices for his VP.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 11:44 PM
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13. I'm beginning to believe she's doing this to spite Obama
she truly believes she is entitled to the Presidency and she probably loathes the fact that Obama has come on so strong. She's constantly complained about the MSM lately(oddly she wasn't when they were pumping the Clinton Coronation crap), and doesn't believe he's ready. She knows McCain and Bush are going after Obama, but doesn't care because she doesn't think he's vetted anyway.

It's an incredibly selfish and self-entitled point of view.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:40 AM
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21. It's becoming hard to see it any other way now.
Tuesday night, Hillary will be crushed in Texas (her "firewall") and how she handles still another great loss will really tell, not just me, but Americans of all stripes whether she is worth of being Obama's VP. I am sorry to say that she's losing me.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:14 AM
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14. Well you have the patience of a saint. I'm already there.
Clinton belongs nowhere on the ticket at this point. There is just too much bad blood at this point, and though Clinton has indicated they'll be "just fine," I fear that she would attempt to undermine Obama politically if chosen for the VP spot. Better to go with someone like Biden or Richardson.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 02:54 AM
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23. Well, I've tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. Hillary will be trounced in Texas.
How she responds will tell everyone a lot about her.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:49 AM
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24. kick.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:31 AM
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25. This is hilarious. You know he'd never pick her, right?
:dunce:

Funny how you pretend to express support for her with your opening phrase and then slur her right afterwards.

:puke:

It gets more laughable and more hypocritical by the day, as the Obama supporters do nothing but slur and insult, then turn around and whine about how they are being treated.

The only petty and nasty campaign is yours.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 07:08 AM
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27. It's equally hard to imagine many Hillary supporters wanting her to team up with Obama.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:02 PM
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29. we need to drop this Hillary for VP stuff...it simply won't work
and Obama should be looking for someone with real Military/Combat experience. Clark or someone like hime should be the first choice.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 12:09 PM
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30. No offense, but you just figured that out now?
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